There's no reason that 
shouldn't be applied to a skill that, not only ignores defense, but is an area damage that can also produce critical hits. Those barrels might as well be true damage the way they are set up and there's no way to counter them what so ever other than a lucky shot to hit it first. That crit reduction needs to be applied to his barrels as well when he's multi hitting 4 people for 1k+ each with 1 skill.
SquashCannon8 votesI'm pretty sure randuins does reduce barrel damage.
Also, the barrels only ignore 40% armor on their own, if they're ignoring more then it's probably because the gp itemized penetration and/or is running penetration in his runes.
GP isn't even anywhere near broken, why should he be nerfed?
PhDs Nuts7 votesI'm pretty sure randuins does reduce barrel damage.
Also, the barrels only ignore 40% armor on their own, if they're ignoring more then it's probably because the gp itemized penetration and/or is running penetration in his runes.
GP isn't even anywhere near broken, why should he be nerfed?
New Randuins doesn't. It only applies to basic attack crits. They specifically nerfed that aspect of Randuins for some stupid reason. It doesn't work on Anivia E anymore, either.
Votable Jester9 votesWell as far as I'm concerned, it really shouldn't work on Anivia's E as the spell says it deals double damage, not that it crits.
Sp33d Zer05 votesThat's.... that's what a crit is.....
Votable Jester6 votesIf all of a is b, is all of b a? That's the situation. A crit is double damage (not counting IE/runes), but double damage is not necessarily a crit.
OyddAWqJ5r5 votesSo what you're saying is that 
is a crit?
Sp33d Zer01 votesNo, because sheen is ONLY base damage.
OyddAWqJ5r2 votes
Sp33d Zer01 votesSpellblade passive =/= sheen.
Sheen HAS the spell blade passive, but the passive changes depending on the current build it's in.
OyddAWqJ5r2 votesDouble damage =/= crit.
Double damage SOUNDS the same as crit, but what about effects like +50% damage or +300% damage or even perhaps double base damage?
Is Warwick's passive Criticallly Striking when he's below 20% health? No, it simply deals tripled damage. Same goes for Anivia's E. It is dealing doubled damage, NOT critically striking. The only reason it is read as a crit is because that's how it was coded so the little "!" would show up by the damage numbers.
Irelia Bot6 votesIf his barrels could crit then I would see an argument for this.
Salron23 votesI am so confused by both this post and the op
Irelia Bot2 votesI just took at guess at what OP was saying and somehow thinks that barrels crit.
Last I checked his barrels could not crit.
Salron54 votesI main GP Yes they do lol Have you never seen him crit for 1k on a squishy lategame
Joxcab1 votes[deleted]
Salron13 votesIt does work on barrels though, just not the bonus damage to champions only that barrels have The rest of the damage on the barrel coming from Q/AAs does get reduced though
Joxcab3 votesOh, my bad then. Ignore what I said.
Irelia Bot3 votesWell that would explain the huge inconsistency of their damage output.
Melledoneus19 votesIs it so hard to say "my mistake?"
ModAcademy Kayn18 votesRule number one of an argument. Never admit you're wrong. Only admit your opponent was right.
TheHappyReaperz8 votes"I may not be right, but I am never wrong"
Irelia Bot4 votesI do that at others times.
50000000000000004 votesThat's an interesting name for a GP main lol Not saying that you're lying, just genuinely interesting
General Esdeath 2 votesThey can crit though. You just have to crit on your AA/Q that triggers them.
Hige4 votesuhm I wonder if the barrels should be allowed to crit altogether... they already ignore defenses, that's true damage
Skelenth25 votesThey ignore 40% armor. That is Armor Penetration.
Hige7 votesooooh Only 40% I thought it was like 100% :S my bad
JavelinJoe1 votesStill though, ignoring 40% + and additional 35% from 
is 75% armor ignored
AL00011 votesWrong math
40% of total armor 35% of bonus armor
for example champion with 100 armor without any armor item
100- [ (10040%)- (035%)] 100- [40+0] 60
100 armor will reduce to 60 armor
for example champion with 100 armor AND 50 of armor item
150- [ (150 X 40%)- (50 X 35%)] 150- [60+17.5] 150-77.5 72.5
150 armor will reduce to 72.5 armor
GP's barrel is so strong... therefore need to nerf to 15/20/25/30/35... but riot doesn't want... blame riot and testers.
source:
Theorchero2 votesGP's barrel is so strong... therefore need to nerf to 15/20/25/30/35... but riot doesn't want... blame riot and testers.
source:
- Poweder Keg explodes dealing the attack's damage as physical damage (ignores 40% Armor) to enemies
- Last Whisper: +35% **bonus **armor penetration.
Literally the only reason to play GP is because of his damage. His early is shit to the extent that it requires specialized builds to function in high elo where you encounter decent junglers. League also NEEDS tank busters. Nerfing his barrel pen is just going make GP unplayable.
DJMason881 votesLiterally the only reason you play most champions isbecause of their damage lol.
Votable Jester2 votesTanks, supports, utility mages
Really though, many champions are chosen for how they apply their damage. Ranged vs melee, dps vs burst, flat vs %, phys vs magic vs true, etc.
Sahn Uzal3 votesI'm pretty sure she's trying to say that Gangplank doesn't really provide anything other than damage. He has no hard CC, no team utility etc.
Serika Zero2 voteshe has a global ult that slows............ and can clear waves from the other side of the map sry bro, that's team utility along side with his damage
gankplank provides: safe wave clear - important if your mid laner is an assassin global pressure zone control and cc slow
along side with his damage. you got no clue how much i hate that his ult slows >.> and it has nowhere near the cooldown of a Khartus or shen ult for example. Because building CDR is normal for him. Shen or Karthus usually go for a no CDR item in their first 2 items. Such as Tear+RoA. Or Sunfire+Titanic Hydra. The only CDR item shen gets its his Spirit visage and that's it. And the only CDR item Khartus usually gets its zhonias.
GP starts with a 20cdr item and then rushes a 10cdr item after it. Like sry, but, GP provides more than just damage.
That being said, I don't know what they can nerf anymore without making him unplayable.
Sahn Uzal2 votesI'm just saying that Theorchero probably tried to say that.
I'm not gonna bother argueing here with you. People here don't want reasonable arguments, or have an actual discussion. People just want to please their hateboner and whine for a bit. Which is fine, but trying to have a discussion in a thread where most people do not want to have an actual discussion is just a waste of my time.
Serika Zero2 votesif your argument is that "GP provides only damage", that argument is false from the beginning you can't make a reasonable argument regarding that. GP is not Mastery YI
Sahn Uzal2 votesI'm not making an argument at all.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesI thought my reading comprehension was shit then I saw him twice assume you were agreeing with Theorchero.
Sahn Uzal2 votes:^)
Theorchero1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jc7OFvLa,comment-id=00010000000000000000000100000001,timestamp=2017-05-14T08:54:50.899+0000)
I'm pretty sure she's trying to say that Gangplank doesn't really provide anything other than damage. He has no hard CC, no team utility etc.
Did you just assume my gender?
Sahn Uzal1 votes... Yes. I assumed you're a male, like I do with most people here, because it simply is the safest bet. Then made a Typo :l
Welp
Theorchero1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jc7OFvLa,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000000100010000,timestamp=2017-05-15T05:48:38.006+0000)
... Yes. I assumed you're a male, like I do with most people here, because it simply is the safest bet. Then made a Typo :l
Welp
The joke
your poor head :3
It's okay fam. <3
TheHappyReaperz4 votesDoesn't Randuins reduce anything that uses the Crit symbol? I know it reduces Ryze and Karthus crits, and I assumed it did the same for GP.
Supreme Senpai696 votesOld one did new one only works on basic attacks
FantasySniper2 votesIf they don't, I'm pretty sure that's a bug.
BladeSteel4 votesIt says in the description "reduces crits from BASIC ATTACKS". New change.
BladeSteel7 votesTHAT WAS 2 YEARS AGO IT JUST GOT CHANGED IN THE TANK UPDATE. Look at it in game instead of spewing 2 year old "facts" that no longer are true. It says IN GAME "reduces critical damage from BASIC ATTACKS by 20%"
FantasySniper2 votesYou see, we as a community stopped trusting things like "in-game descriptions" a long time ago.
The patch notes only address it as "critical strike". There has been no indication by riot that they changed its interactions with spells.
PhDs Nuts5 votesYou see, we as a community stopped trusting things like "in-game descriptions" a long time ago.
The patch notes only address it as "critical strike". There has been no indication by riot that they changed its interactions with spells.
Riot didn't change the tool tip?
Alright, forums, which one of you changed the tool tip? You jokester.
