But with the extremely limited income of BE, it looks to me it just got much harder to purchase champions. I feel as though maybe we were lied to about that reasoning....
Rainfall49 votesit will be EASIER for you to get champions. It will be HARDER for you to get the champions YOU WANT.
JoeMG2 votesI made a post about this a few days ago. Because I only have about half the Champs, I save champ shards for ones I don't have. That means my net BE gain per level gets hindered. So really, if I save a shard from the capsule, I'm only getting 300 ish BE for every 12 games or so?
It's going to take months if I want to save up for a 6300 champ before enchanting my shards. And if I just enchant the shards I get, it may take a lifetime before I'm able to unlock who I want unless I get lucky enough to get them as a shard.
As someone who likes picking the next champ I want and grinding for them, this new system is rough.
Myozthirirn2 votesYou made your choice between instan gratification and huge BE saving in the long run. You shouldt blame the system for leting you choose.
JoeMG2 votesWe didn't have to choose with the old system. I guess it feels unfair to me to have to choose now.
RiotRiot Calad51 votesNo.
It is as fast, if not faster, for you to get any champion at all in the new system. If you disenchant the shards you receive, you can use the blue essence to get champions at least as quickly as you could with ip.
If you happen to get the shard for a champion you want, it will be MUCH faster than that.
Jhin Carry44 votesEven if what you are saying is true and there are situations when you can get even more BE than earlier, it certanly doesn't feel like that. It feels like we are pushing for some big milestone while in reality we will just end up with 1.5 450 BE champions after a level up. Getting to one milestone is way worse than getting rewarded for everything that you do no matter if you win, lose or level up
RiotRiot Calad41 votesYeah, I think that the new system feeling different or worse is good feedback which we are watching carefully.
But I'm also seeing this perception that the new system is giving you less currency - and that's not true. It's difficult to have a conversation about how the system feels when not everyone has the right facts.
Nefas41 votesThe new system feels like it is giving less currency, even if it is giving more. The fact that is does give more doesn’t make it not feel like more of a tedious painful grind than ever before.
Ultra Rapid Fyre4 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Calad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8atuoxqE,comment-id=0005000100000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T20:07:42.091+0000)
Yeah, I think that the new system feeling different or worse is good feedback which we are watching carefully.
But I'm also seeing this perception that the new system is giving you less currency - and that's not true. It's difficult to have a conversation about how the system feels when not everyone has the right facts.
the problem to me isnt the overall return on essence to time, the issue is that when all you get is EXP per game, it feels so much less rewarding. This system is 100% geared towards level 1-30s and pro play, which alienates the like 90% of your player base who is neither
Ashen Rider1 votesHow is it aimed at pro play?
blacklight281 votesWhen you are making 10 new account for video that need to be at low leagues you are happy to have 50 free champs rather than needing to pay for them
Bob the Toastr3 votesWell that sounds like your problem if you are making multiple accounts and "need" them to be at low leagues.
TheBearJew092 votes[{quoted}](name=Ultra Rapid Fyre,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8atuoxqE,comment-id=00050001000000000008,timestamp=2017-11-14T23:19:38.401+0000)
the issue is that when all you get is EXP per game
Before all we got was IP? whats the difference?
Tactrix8 votesHere's a fact for you I've gotten 500BE for the last 3 levels, no champion shards, just BE out of capsules for 3 levels straight, now how is that better? Please explain to me how 1500BE is better than 2796 which is what I'd be getting if I had played those games before this patch. Your math sounds wrong because IT IS WRONG.
Krigjer11 votesHere's a fact for you I've gotten 500BE for the last 3 levels, no champion shards, just BE out of capsules for 3 levels straight, now how is that better? Please explain to me how 1500BE is better than 2796 which is what I'd be getting if I had played those games before this patch. Your math sounds wrong because IT IS WRONG.
They can post all the math they want, but they don't seem to be factoring in the unlucky rolls. I have very little faith in RNG systems given my past history and luck.
Devilreaper XIII5 votesThey can post all the math they want, but they don't seem to be factoring in the unlucky rolls. I have very little faith in RNG systems given my past history and luck.
riot has always been bad at math XD
Myozthirirn2 votesThey do factor the unlucky roll, they do not factor for false claims. You cant get 500 BE/lvl when the minimun is 810.
MysticDreams125 votesWell apparently you can cause this guy got it. Not a false claim if he got 500 per level.
Judge Steven4 votesFor my lvl 31 capsule I got 3x 450 champs (
) and 1x 1350 champ (
) which disenchants to a grand total of 540 BE. I can assure you it is possible to get below 810 BE.
Edit: Disregard this comment. After rechecking it, apparently I did get a 
skin shard as well, which brings it to the 810 minimum. An unlucky capsule for sure (I own all 5 of these champions), but not below the minimum value.
MonkeyMadness1 votesbut they don't seem to be factoring in the unlucky rolls.
I have very little faith in RNG systems
http://www.prdaily.com/Uploads/Public/i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means.jpg
Krigjer1 voteshttp://www.prdaily.com/Uploads/Public/i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means.jpg
Random Number Generator. That's what RNG means.
I love how people have the gall to say that RNG is bad because it doesn't take into account bad rolls. Like srsly, wtf?!?! Do you even know what the word "random" means???
Whenever a company mentions RNG, they always talk big about 'on AVERAGE you should get.. on AVERAGE it should be...'
The AVERAGE numbers are not reliable.
dlayed3 votesTo bad you get 810 be from each capsule so stop lying and get off the boards
Tactrix7 votesUmm no you don't and anyone who told you that you get 810 is full of shit. But you know what the next time I get a capsule I'm gonna take a screen shot just for you.
Saucy Sells2 votesPre-30 leveling gives you a flat value of BE in some levels or something like that because you level up faster than post-30.
Tactrix4 votesIf that is the case than they screwed us even worse than they claimed because now not only do we not have variety because of early levels in champ selection but we also don't have the proper amount of BE meaning it takes us longer to get even out basic champ lineup. In both instances it makes rito liars.
MangelinaJolie1 votesIf there is even the perception of that, there should be enough indication there that this system isn’t something you’re going to want to leave unchanged. You guys are being very adamant and stubborn about this but you’re still failing to see the problem. It doesn’t matter if it’s the same or better. It does not in ANY way feel like that. The problem is that it FEELS bad.
Tesla Effect2 votesIf there is even the perception of that, there should be enough indication there that this system isn’t something you’re going to want to leave unchanged. You guys are being very adamant and stubborn about this but you’re still failing to see the problem. It doesn’t matter if it’s the same or better. It does not in ANY way feel like that. The problem is that it FEELS bad.
The orange essence devalue not only feels bad, it is bad in every objective way possible. The even worse thing is that payed consumers got fucked over by these changes even more, making all their skin shard related puchases suddenly worth less than before, now making them to buy even more lootcrates to level up the damage Riot made....
MangelinaJolie2 votesI definitely agree, but the fact they're pushing otherwise is more insulting by the fact that it doesn't even remotely feel that way at all. It'd be a problem if it were just objectively bad. It's even more of a problem that it's objectively bad, feels bad, and Riot is saying "it's great!"
MysticDreams123 votesDude.
It's only faster now for people who are leveling accounts to 30, and even then some people are complaining about the low level of BE they get from shards.
Accounts 30 and above are extremely hard to grind. It's not faster than the old system, at all.
EROTIC RAID BOSS5 votesIt is. Lol
MysticDreams121 votesI don't think so.
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesThat's because you're uninformed.
MysticDreams122 votesNope. I've read the new posts by Riot, still don't believe it's any faster.
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesThat's called willful ignorance or stupidity
MysticDreams121 votesWow. Calling me ignorant and stupid.
Reported.
And note: I'm neither of those.
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesIf you look at the facts that say you'll get more ip now than you used to and say "nuh uh no I don't" How can that be anything else?
It's like talking to a conservative about global warming or black people
MysticDreams121 votesWow. You are something else.
We don't get more IP than before. That's a fact.
Good bye.
ChuShoe2 votesout of all the champions in league, let's assume you only want one.
that's a 0.75% chance of happening.
I also want ALL the champions in league. I find the diversity to be one of the best things about league, but now it feels like it's taking forever to get them, ESPECIALLY if you're on a losing streak, or if you don't play more than 3 matches everyday.
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesI think it feels faster but I usually play until I finish the first win mission
Faceroll Tactics3 votesIt will until the higher levels, at which point it will take days to level up.
Your claims of, “it’s the same or maybe faster” we’re only shown at relatively early levels, which we will surpass quickly
EROTIC RAID BOSS4 votesThere's a ton of math and graphs cactopus linked in another thread showing its always faster in the new system
Faceroll Tactics2 votesAlways? So you’re level 300 and after 3 weeks you level up, your reward is 900 BE.
Myozthirirn2 votesexp to level up stops growing at lvl 50. 50 -> 51 takes the same time than 2507 -> 2508
EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votesThe time it takes to level up goes up until you hit certain levels then resets to a lower amount. it doesn't just scale up infinitely. So yes always
ModThe Djinn24 votesThe rate isn't significantly slowed -- in fact for most players it should be slightly faster.
There's a perception switch though, definitely.
Funkin Dunkin17 votesIt might be faster for new players. But when you level up and only get 2 champion shards from your level up capsule, you're not gaining much at all.
ModThe Djinn10 votes[{quoted}](name=Funkin Dunkin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=8atuoxqE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-11-14T14:46:49.434+0000)
It might be faster for new players. But when you level up and only get 2 champion shards from your level up capsule, you're not gaining much at all.
The only time you should see an average decrease is if you're playing more than eight games a day. One FWotD for every 8 games played is about the break even point -- at that point you earn, on average, 1 less BE/IP per game than you would have in the old system.
Remember that the level capsules aren't all equal, so right now, when people haven't leveled much, a little bad luck can make this system seem miserable. Gotta give it time to equalize, because the average IS an overall increase.
