Lets not pretend we don't know why a lot of champions are…

MunchCrunchLunch · 2016-10-01T12:04:33.521Z

Melee damage dealers. for the most part. have not been picked in worlds for 2 seasons in a row now. bruisers and glass cannon melees alike. none of them are picked. unless they are buffed beyond belief. when you have gnar that has more built in damage than most melee champions and he can build tanky and be a good team fighter unlike any melee top lane bruiser/juggernaut. you don't not pick him. melee damage dealers are absolute shit in league. the only reason they have positive winrates is that nobody playing them as an adc in bot lane to actually go agaisnt a ranged carry. the only thing they can do is splitpush endlessly until they die. which good luck split pushing against teams that aren't retarded. kayle and quinn are beating melees top lane more than not. not just top laners but mid lane assassins. i believe. LB is the only ranged assassin in the game. and shes also the only assassin that get picked in pro play. correct me if am wrong i mean the supermobile ekko can barely lane against gnar. imagine any melee without any dashes and speed boosts.

ACENOXOct 1, 20164 votes

correct me if i'm wrong, but unless maybe olaf, none of what you leasted are melee that can deal as much damage as a late game adc.

rumble will always be overpowered until being olafed hecarim/lee/poppy are played for their utility, that's their niche, not like tryndamere.

ModWulf HelhammerOct 1, 20164 votes

I'm sorry, but wasn't the point "melee damage dealers aren't played?"

And besides that, the entire purpose of an ADC is to be the late game powerhouse damage source. Saying that's why melees aren't played (which is already false because they are) is like saying Veigar isn't good because his early game isn't as strong as Brand

ACENOXOct 1, 20163 votes

the entire purpose of adc is to siege, not late game powerhouse damage source that can be brought either by an adc or by a melee champ

think again m8

ModWulf HelhammerOct 1, 20162 votes

They deal consistent damage which requires some of the most expensive items to increase. That puts them as damage threat that requires late game for their full potential. And they aren't so much sieging (which requires strong waveclear, usually putting this power into mages) as they are tower takers. The mages siege the wave, allowing the DPS to have the time to focus on the structures

ACENOXOct 1, 20161 votes

you don't need waveclear to siege when you're 5 on 5, and most of them do have waveclear, the uniqueness of ADC is that their high damage comes from 500 range, but their damage are still found on other champions that aren't picked. they are picked in every game because no stronger siege exist and destroying towers is the best thing to win a game.

PermabannedGarenOct 1, 20161 votes

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I'm sorry, but wasn't the point "melee damage dealers aren't played?"

And besides that, the entire purpose of an ADC is to be the late game powerhouse damage source. Saying that's why melees aren't played (which is already false because they are) is like saying Veigar isn't good because his early game isn't as strong as Brand

Why aren't melee champions allowed to be late game powerhouse damage sources?

ModWulf HelhammerOct 1, 20161 votes

Oh, you mean like Zed, Yasuo, Jax, Talon, Darius?

I mean usually it's because people complain about them on the boards to get nerfed.

PermabannedGarenOct 1, 20161 votes

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Oh, you mean like Zed, Yasuo, Jax, Talon, Darius?

I mean usually it's because people complain about them on the boards to get nerfed.

Exactly, you have discovered the root of the problem. Though, frankly, assassins don't fit the criteria like carries. Do. Assassins peak in mid game then fall off due to their inability to shred tanks in team fights, generally speaking, whereas an ADC is a threat to the front and back line.

Less Talon, more Master Yi, Yasuo, or Jax.

Yasuo and Jax are at least doing okay in solo queue, but Yi has been left in the dumpster for daring to be a melee hypercarry.

Akali is SO HOTOct 1, 20163 votes

Rumble is basically ranged with the kit he has and Jayce is in ranged form for like 90% of the game. Olaf, Hecarim, and Lee Sin are all junglers which is the only place in the game where they won't get their ass kicked by ranged champions. Poppy is just a good all around champion so she's one of the few melees that can actually lane against ranged.

ModWulf HelhammerOct 1, 20164 votes

Rumble is still melee

Jayce I admitted was the weak part, as he is part ranged

And again, hadn't the point still been made? OP stated that melee champions aren't played. All those (again, Jayce to an extent) are melee champions that have seen quite a bit of play already in worlds

Akali is SO HOTOct 1, 20161 votes

I think he was talking more about top and mid lane

ModWulf HelhammerOct 1, 20163 votes

Top I admit has seen some more ranged play (really only Gnar and then Kennen at worlds), but mid has usually been dominated by ranged champs, as most mages are ranged

RivuoOct 1, 20161 votes

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Rumble is still melee

Jayce I admitted was the weak part, as he is part ranged

And again, hadn't the point still been made? OP stated that melee champions aren't played. All those (again, Jayce to an extent) are melee champions that have seen quite a bit of play already in worlds

He was referring in lane.. And rumble is barely melee...

manbearswineOct 1, 20161 votes

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He was referring in lane.. And rumble is barely melee...

How "melee" is zed then? You can't just pick and choose whatever is convenient to you, op is about melee damage dealers, rumble is melee.

Best princess EUOct 1, 20161 votes

zed isn't a melee nor is gangplank

manbearswineOct 1, 20161 votes

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zed isn't a melee

So OPs point about le blanc being the only good assassin because she's ranged is kinda senseless then, isn't it?

Best princess EUOct 2, 20161 votes

are you retarded? unless you pick a champ with a ranged kit like zed or leblanc you can't play the game

RivuoOct 1, 20161 votes

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How "melee" is zed then? You can't just pick and choose whatever is convenient to you, op is about melee damage dealers, rumble is melee.

Even leblanc has to get in melee range to do her full combo but it doesn't mean shes melee

Rumble is ranged

manbearswineOct 1, 20161 votes

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Even leblanc has to get in melee range to do her full combo but it doesn't mean shes melee

Rumble is ranged

Ok so le blanc is melee and rumble is ranged.

Fine by me.

RivuoOct 1, 20161 votes

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Ok so le blanc is melee and rumble is ranged.

Fine by me.

I never said that. Read better.

manbearswineOct 1, 20162 votes

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I never said that. Read better.

I never said that you said that.

Point is: abilities's don't make champions ranged or melee, le blanc having to go into melee ranged for her burst doesn't make her melee, and rumbles ranged abilties don't make him ranged.

Ranged or melee is defined by autoattack range(or by their classification, but I'd rather go with the former).

RivuoOct 2, 20161 votes

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Ranged or melee is defined by autoattack range(or by their classification, but I'd rather go with the former).

Says who???? You??

manbearswineOct 2, 20162 votes

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Says who???? You??

They are literally defined in the game.

Can rumble proc relic shield?

Yes? Then he's a melee.

Can le blanc proc relic shield?

No? Then she's ranged.

RivuoOct 2, 20161 votes

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They are literally defined in the game.

Can rumble proc relic shield?

Yes? Then he's a melee.

Can le blanc proc relic shield?

No? Then she's ranged.

Can thresh proc relic shield?

Yes

Thresh is far from melee bud.

LauchmelderOct 2, 20163 votes

He's talking about the execute, not the heal.

AirKingNeoOct 1, 20161 votes

Lane bully, the only good one but he's jungle, a tank, speed me gee, jungler and his ult, he's ranged and pickban.

SpoofghoulOct 1, 20161 votes

they either have tons of ranged abilities to kite melee's or farm/push from range or they in the jungle

its like saying gangplank is melee but the 3 times he actually gets into melee range in lane he does so to proc his passive and scurrey off with trillion movespeed

other then that barrel and q spam all day long wouldn't exactly call that ''melee''

and since overal damage and burst doubled since last season melee champions are even worse off then they have been in previous seasons

the only ''melee'' champs you see in lane are those with low/no cost ranged abilites or extreme amounts of mobility & sustain

Lets not pretend we don't know why a lot of champions are not picked in worlds.

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