I think the Graves hype...

chipndip1·Nov 13, 2015·2 votes·723 views

...is fueled by Bronze tiers. He's probably a nightmare to melee champs, and that's gotta be nerfed because there's no counter-play in that, but outside of that I really don't see Graves being that insane. He's never been an issue to me. Only reason I've lost to a single one as either adc or support was because my adc was having connection issues the whole match.

Assuming you know how to not run right in front of him, what is so impressive about Graves?

20 Comments

Azirious MistakeNov 13, 20152 votes

His retarded Q damage, but thats getting nerfed next patch sooo...

chipndip1Nov 13, 20151 votes

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His retarded Q damage, but thats getting nerfed next patch sooo...

I find it too easy to dodge that Q. Him ulting your face off is scarier than his slow as hell Q.

JustMyBassCannonNov 13, 20152 votes

His Q still has double the damage potential of his ultimate. Couple him with a single solid AoE lockdown and the other team won't even have time to bend over and ask for it gently.

Azirious MistakeNov 13, 20151 votes

No you position yourself so the Q hits the enemy and terrain for huge burst damage.

chipndip1Nov 13, 20151 votes

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No you position yourself so the Q hits the enemy and terrain for huge burst damage.

Do you realize how long we've been playing with Vayne's Condemn? I think players should know how to avoid standing near a wall, given how his Q works.

BoulderoxNov 13, 20152 votes

high ratios, still has his ability to be very tanky for an adc, and now doubles his damage output with item 3031 alone.... it doesn't help he has become the season 3 Kayle , where she could be played in any position and do well, Ie they gutted her like a fish... I mean come on people, GRAVES SHOULD not be able to jungle so effectively...

chipndip1Nov 13, 20151 votes

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high ratios, still has his ability to be very tanky for an adc, and now doubles his damage output with alone.... it doesn't help he has become the season 3 , where she could be played in any position and do well, Ie they gutted her like a fish... I mean come on people, GRAVES SHOULD not be able to jungle so effectively...

Only time I went against Graves jg, the reason he even got rolling was because my allies were Silver/Bronze and they kept letting him kill them. He has no hard cc to do jack shit. Outside of cheesing top lane with his huge up-close damage, I ain't seeing any of the hype.

JustMyBassCannonNov 13, 20153 votes

"Can" play any position, sure.

He can't jungle effectively. He can clear jungle effectively, but he has none of the ganking potential of other junglers. He has to catch them out of position for it to work.

The only advantage of Graves jungle is that you can hide a second ADC on your team, if he doesn't get counter-jungled.

LegendaryLemurNov 13, 20151 votes

I'd say the advantage is you don't have to put an adc bot. Should work well with a morde bot lane, or say a jarvan/leona kill lane in bot.

JustMyBassCannonNov 14, 20151 votes

And, again, it can work. It basically hinges on the other team not reacting to your comp properly, or not having the capacity to respond with counter-play.

It's in the same vein of trouble as Vayne jungling for the sake of Devourer, back when it didn't take 4 attacks for the double-hit on ranged champs.

The Teemo KingNov 13, 20151 votes

Graves is broken AF against melee, however once you get to teamfighting he really shines if he has say a lulu or somone to peel for him while he gets his burst down. other than that hes average... oh wait...

RalanrNov 13, 20151 votes

He's got very good waveclear.

And a shotgun.

chipndip1Nov 13, 20151 votes

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He's got very good waveclear.

And a shotgun.

The shots don't go past minions though. Just harass him from behind minions and he can't do anything back without a support helping.

MartyrofsandNov 13, 20151 votes

Last I heard Graves is pretty much on perma-ban status at high level. Something to do with insane burst coupled with being to tanky to die to damn near anyone in lane, while deleting any assassins that tries to jump him.

That said I stand by my feeling right now of just pick Caitlyn she still absolutely destroys him right now.

CrazedPorcupineNov 13, 20151 votes

It's his Q's base damage combined with his E's true grit passive giving up to 40 Armor and MR.

Athenes LuluNov 13, 20151 votes

Remember he can easily shit on Cait, who is supposed to be the one zoning.

Graves totally doesn't need changes.

chipndip1Nov 13, 20151 votes

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Remember he can easily shit on Cait, who is supposed to be the one zoning.

Graves totally doesn't need changes.

I mean...I don't know if that's sarcasm or not. His AA range is freaking 425...

Athenes LuluNov 13, 20151 votes

That's how strong he is, he can just walk to her face and she would somehow back off.

Unless the Cait is bad but even so a decent Graves can zone her, what the heck?

######I had a Graves and enemy has a Cait, this shit happens twice where Cait was zoned.

chipndip1Nov 13, 20152 votes

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That's how strong he is, he can just walk to her face and she would somehow back off.

Unless the Cait is bad but even so a decent Graves can zone her, what the heck?

######I had a Graves and enemy has a Cait, this shit happens twice where Cait was zoned.

That makes no sense. She can literally hit him 2-3 times before he even gets in range. Hell, she can lay traps all in his path and land head shots all over him. What was the rank of your Caitlyn?

If I can fight Graves just fine sporting anywhere from 525 - 700 range (Pow-Pow 525/Sona 550/Jinx rockets 700), Caitlyn should make quick work of that lane.