math : botrk buff is a thornmail nerf.

Extreme Troller··3 votes·500 views

in average bruiser does 300basic damage lategame +120 botrk damage (3k hp target)

before botrk buff : If target have in average 250armor, it mean you will take back 300x0.3=90damage from basic dmg but you will hit for 85.71dmg with basic attack and 34.28 with botrk. and lifesteal 8.57hp/hit. so actually you take back only 81.43dmg (90-8.57) and does 120dmg. thornmail return in this case 67.85% of dmg (lot less if you have mr, armor pen etc)

with the botrk buff (patch 5.8). you still does 120dmg. but lifesteal 3.428hp/more so you only take back 78dmg instead of 81.43dmg. So thornmail only return 65.0%

basically 65/67.85 show that thornmail got nerfed by 4.2%. and instead of returning "30%", it now return only "28.74%".

Thornmail user will be sad.

2 Comments

IcyPepper2 votes

Eh, considering gromp smites and all that, I think it's alright. Tanks got a huge buff, thornmail is usually a tank/bruiser item, let botrk get a little stronger as compensation.

Besides, people hate thornmail when they play adc. Yeah, I don't get it either when people say you can't build enough lifesteal to break even with the damage (dude, lifesteal is a defensive stat, thornmail's passive is offensive, of course it'll be outscaled. That's like saying you can't build enough armor to completely negate AD).

It won't hurt tanks too much, and it'll make adc mains happy. Win-win, everyone plays the game.

junglerboy162 votes

Thorn mail should actually reflect damage from the BotRK proc now though, since they determine lifesteal and whether or not to reflect damage in the same way (at least, they did last time I checked).

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