what is the purpose of thornmail if it doesnt work against botrk ?

Extreme Troller·6/2/2015, 3:46:20 PM·5 votes·1,535 views

thornmail doesnt reflect botrk damage. so basically thornmail is 100armor that's all.

why pick thornmail if frozen heart also give 100armor but also give mana ? and 20% cdr ? and 15% a.s debuff that also work on physical attack but also magical and true damage attack like wits end or vayne silver bolt. 15% as debuff is basically 40 free armor that is not counterable by last whisper.... gg ooh it's an aura too so everyone on the ennemy team is screwed.

11 Comments

Rebonack6/2/2015, 4:09:37 PM3 votes

I would love to see Thorn reflect any source of physical damage only because watching Zed blow himself up on the Tank would be hilarious.

Marthian6/2/2015, 7:29:40 PM2 votes

What makes you think it doesn't? BoRK's passive deals PHYSICAL damage, not true damage. 100 armor still severely reduces BoRTK's passive damage (and it shouldn't apply to the passive damage either, BoRK is intended to be a counter to tanks.)

As for the active, again, why should it? Assassin's ability damage isn't reflected either, why should an item's active?

Finally FH vs Thornmail: Not everyone benefits from the 400 mana, that aura is barely noticeable late game (not even sure where you get the idea it gives "40 free armor"), and if carries don't have enough lifesteal to overcome thornmail's reflect damage, it WILL hurt. (Also keep in mind thornmail reflects 30% of damage taken BEFORE being reduced by defenses.)

FooDang6/2/2015, 3:59:06 PM1 votes

Thornmail still reflects the damage from auto attacks. 30% before armor reduction and dmg reduction. Thats still damage...the damage is there to reduce the effectiveness of lifesteal. So yea its more than just 100 armor.

ChexMex6/2/2015, 3:47:36 PM1 votes

Botrk isn't just the passive damage hitting you, it's coupled with the enemy auto attack . Therefore, whenever you get hit, you're reflecting some damage no matter what. Besides that, Vayne's supposed to counter tanks anyways, so gl.

LtHoiz6/2/2015, 4:41:19 PM1 votes

Is he talking about the 8%hp dmg passive or the 10% max hp active?

Shroom Junkie6/2/2015, 4:00:15 PM1 votes

Thornmail still reflects damage from AA's, but I do agree the BotRK passive should trigger the thornmail passive.

PolarTroop6/2/2015, 3:50:04 PM1 votes

Botrk is meant to counter tanks. While thornmail is meant to counter ADC's and Fighters. I think thornmail is strong on certain tanks like Sion and Rammus . True i do agree that Frozen Heart is a strong item, Thornmail just helps with those annoying late game Master Yis