@Riot Listen to Real Karma Mains & Not Meta Players

Winterkill··18 votes·1,281 views

There is a major difference between a Karma player who has been playing her since season 1 and 2 and a new player that claims they are a Karma main after a week. Many old time Karma mains have been creating threads for the past 4 years about how terrible Karma is. I have been harassed, down-voted, belittled, ridiculed, and told I was wrong when I created a thread. Developers specifically ignore a Karma main and any feedback about her, but have no problem responding to a thread about how the Development team has to preserve new Karma because of new players.

Now we have many of these players who are coming into my threads, responded to my posts, and belittled me for years . . . saying Karma is now terrible and she was never a good champion to begin with. Didn't some of you say she is amazing and that there was nothing wrong with her? Did you not spend countless hours coming into a Karma related thread and harass Midnight-Karma, me, Iceborn and Squid? Now you are saying Karma is a terrible champion and always has been, when the entire time you said she was amazing and perfect.

Riot, you are not listening to Karma MAINS. You are listening and catering to a bunch of meta whores that played Karma for a week and think they have the right to say Karma is great. Immediately when Riot nerfs her into the ground and take 4 steps back to the terrible VGU she received, these players claim that Karma is terrible and has always been a terrible champion to begin with. You want to know what we call these players, Riot? Followers. It's an insult to all of us that have been playing her since season 1 and 2 and be ignored for years, for you to think these followers actually care about her. These players are quick to give up on a champion and claim they are a main of that champion. No you are not. You are a follower.

Please do a better job, Riot. You not only can be bothered to communicate about Karma for years, but you have the audacity to say a new player that claims they are a Karma main after a week . . . has an opinion about how good and amazing she is. I've been maining Karma since season 2, and so have many others, and you continue to ignore us and do no work on her. I cannot wait for another shield enhancing mechanic that is going to dictate how useful and amazing Karma is. Stop listening to meta whor*s/followers and listen and communicate with the mains that have been playing her since the very beginning. These new players are a walking contradiction and follow the meta.

22 Comments

IxtaliKing7 votes

To be honest the least Riot could do is find a common ground for old and new Karma mains. All I'm saying is we need the shield bomb, an allied tether function and a ground targeted RQ...

TNHA Baritone6 votes

There's old Karma mains, there's new Karma mains, and then there's meta sheep who played her while she was strong and now she is weak they are gone.

IxtaliKing4 votes

Yeah, and the meta sheep can afford to be ignored . New Karma and Old Karma mains need a nice compromise.

Gentleman Gems5 votes

I can sympathies, mostly with the audacious off meta prejudice, if not Phobia, that community shows.

Winterkill3 votes

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I can sympathies, mostly with the audacious off meta prejudice, if not Phobia, that community shows.

Yep. Thank you.

MisterShameless3 votes

I'm starting to feel REALLY bad about not making my huge post back in new years where I cover a lot of what this and the recent Karma threads have discussed, yet that still hasn't covered half of what I wanted to post (probably including the comments on them). I probably won't finish it, since I haven't played the game since the Karma nerf in patch 7.1. It was the last straw and that patch was around the time I wanted to make the post (besides that few matches I played during my birthday were my brother wanted to do a few rounds with him). Kinda of a shame that its still in my google doc with it being mostly finished, but I hate turning this in incomplete.

Anyhow, keep trying to get Riot to stop this BS, all I'm doing now is trying to stay updated through the forums rather than the actually playing the game.

IxtaliKing1 votes

You should drop that post, especially if it's content has things which haven't been covered in recent posts.

MisterShameless3 votes

I'm considering it, but with the limited time i had for this past year, I've left it as a low priority on my to do list. I'll try to make a day to finish it and revise it.

LyingOnLine2 votes

Old Karma was shit tho.

IxtaliKing6 votes

Old Karma was ahead of her time. She might have been shit to you but at least she wasn't bland, generic and ultimately broken like she is now.

Karbuncle4 votes

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Old Karma was shit tho.

280+80% ap shield with all these shield items and Karma would be broken,Lie again

Winterkill2 votes

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Old Karma was shit tho.

She had her problems, but this version of Karma is just a mess. This is my opinion though. There were parts of her old kit that shouldn't have been taken away.

TheGoddessBell2 votes

Cry some more bb. No one will listen to you when you call them names. Maybe you're the actual wh and not them?

Lamb on Wolf1 votes

Well said. This applies to every other case like this too.

sad þoy1 votes

I just played Karma yesterday and she seemed perfectly fine.. with the right items her E can shield almost 30-50% of an allied health bar unless you're talking about just going a full on burst mage claiming to be a support bot lane lmao shit triggers me. I started playing league seriously around season 4, started on season 3 and since my main type of role is a mage type of thing, I play her frequently but not enough to notice the nerfs she got. Idk it seems recently Rito has had quite a few favorites when it comes to champions ups an downs. Good luck trying to get their attention on this, sincerely.

Catastrop2 votes

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with the right items her E can shield almost 30-50% of an allied health bar

While everything else in her kit teeters on trash tier.

sad þoy1 votes

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While everything else in her kit teeters on trash tier.

From what I read her E was the biggest thing that was nerfed and it's still damn good. Her Q can half health ADC's (with R ofc -- even w/o it's still really good poke dmg + slow) and her tether provides a stun to her opponent. Maybe it's because I'm in a trash elo, idk.. but she still seems in an O.K. area.

Catastrop7 votes

It's only because of her Shield spam that she's in an okayish spot. Her RQ while strong, is still hot garbage because a minion walking 1 pixel too close blocks the entire thing. The only reason that's also allowed to be so obscenely loaded with damage is because it's her only real damage source, W lost 90% if its offensive/defensive utility when it became a 2 part spell instead of a DoT. Before she could use it to get massive cd reduction on her mantra for more RX spam due to the multiple ticks. Now it's literally just set up for RQ and the occasional peel for your ADC.

E is still the only thing that remains somewhat strong and all it does is promote toxic no counterplay shield spamming, there's hardly much of a playstyle left to her in general.

dreadnoughtus011 votes

Um 42% winrate in midlane and 44% in support is "perfectly fine"?

She is literally in a worse spot than Ryze and Azir right now. xD

Catastrop1 votes

But what if I'm an early S3 Karma main?

SnakDatSmilesBak3 votes

same, I stopped playing her when they made her into just a shield spam bot

0 Hogapu1 votes

As a "new" Karma main, I have always played her midlane full AP- only cause no one else did. She then lost so much of her identity while being balanced as a support, where she ´s boring to play. The loss of the RE on creeps hit her harder than anything if you ask me.

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