Why is AD Thresh still a thing?

Elite4Runner·Jan 2, 2020·2 votes·1,305 views

I understand the logic behind giving him a ratio on his Flay (W) Passive that scales up to 200% of his TOTAL AD. He generally isn't building AD as a support and this does give him a unique way of dealing damage while engaging with burst, and utilizes his base, and maybe a little extra AD.

But when he is building AD, .. it's so broken!

Why not just change it to scales the same but with BASE AD and maybe add a smaller ratio for BONUS AD?

I don't even want it to kill the ability to build him AD, but the way it works now is just too much.

22 Comments

Jimmy RustlesJan 2, 20204 votes

Yea, that super rare meme build that has no real viability, better nerf it

Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20201 votes

Its really not as rare as youd think

SukishooJan 2, 20203 votes

It is indeed very rare. I saw it once in 2019... Once.

Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20201 votes

Okay, whatever, .. doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed.

What I'm suggesting only prevents a meme / cheese build. I don't see why that's a problem

SukishooJan 2, 20202 votes

Once out of over a thousand games... Oh no such a problem.

DuskDaUmbreonJan 2, 20201 votes

It being that incredibly rare means it doesn't need to be addressed.

If it was actually strong, people would be actually fucking using it. The simple fact that it appears roughly every 1.1k games and has been known about for a long time is more than enough to indicate that it's not actually useful or worth nerfing.

AlienPrimateJan 2, 20206 votes

0.4% of Thresh players build AD. That means with a 22% pick rate, you will see an AD Thresh every 1136 games. That is as rare as we think.

MrFawknSunshineJan 2, 20203 votes

this is no where near of an issue as it use to be when thresh was 1st released and crit thresh was a real issue.

it got nerfed then. and i cant remember the last time i saw it. its been at least 3 seasons i would guess.

there are other more pressing issues regarding balance in the game besides thresh going ad

Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20201 votes

Fine, but is it not okay for me to suggest something easily fix a potential issue, even if it isn't a big one?

I addressed in my post why I believe the mechanic is there. I don't think I'm wrong about that, .. and I am suggesting a change that will keep that function as well allowing for a way to manage a POTENTIALLY problematic way of abusing the design.

And all I'm getting from everyone is that this isn't common. No, of course not! There are many other champions that can do this more effectively. That doesn't mean it isn't something that could be addressed.

MrFawknSunshineJan 2, 20202 votes

if it was more popular and was really causing an issue with champ balance riot would address it, but since as someone else commented 0.4% of the build/play path then its a non issue. even if he builds full ad he has no def or tank stats and can be blown up really easy. he dont get any armor per lvl , only via passive from souls which he also gains AP on.

its not a very efficient nor effective build for this champ. and it only works when the passive on his E has charged up between attacks limiting how much this can really do.

thefatlazycatJan 2, 20201 votes

I had an AD thresh support in one of my games a month ago, it's worth noting they weren't a good thresh either though, so that's why we lost more so than the AD part

KFCeytronJan 2, 20202 votes

I don't think one doubled autoattack every several seconds is anything to worry about. Every time I see an AD Thresh on my team I just pray that he doesn't feed too hard. But he usually does.

Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20202 votes

It isn't a doubled auto attack.

It's BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE that scales up to 200% of his AD + 1 per souls collected

So it is 100% AD physical + (200% + 1 per soul) magic damage.

The physical portion can crit, and AD thresh is usually built with crit.

So now you're looking at 200% for the physical damage

And with IE that is 250% physical + (200% + 1 per soul) magic.

item 3094 item 3508 item 3031 item 3095

Even with Thresh at level 11 (75 base AD) with 50 souls

He will likely be higher level and have more souls with this build, just setting a benchmark without being level 18

That's 280 AD, not accounting for runes or other sources

250% (280) + 200% (280) + 50 + 120 from Stormrazor

700 physical + 560 + 50 + 120 magic damage

1435 total damage before resistances.

Yeah, that's nothing to scratch your head over.

I'm actually not sure, but RFC might also add an additional 120 magic as well

KFCeytronJan 2, 20202 votes

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It isn't a doubled auto attack.

It's BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE that scales up to 200% of his AD + 1 per souls collected

So it is 100% AD physical + (200% + 1 per soul) magic damage.

The physical portion can crit, and AD thresh is usually built with crit.

So now you're looking at 200% for the physical damage

And with IE that is 250% physical + (200% + 1 per soul) magic.

Even with Thresh at level 11 (75 base AD) with 50 souls

That's 280 AD, not accounting for runes or other sources

250% (280) + 200% (280) + 50 + 120 from Stormrazor

700 physical + 560 + 50 + 120 magic damage

1435 total damage before resistances.

Yeah, that's nothing to scratch your head over.

Okay? It's still trash. There are many other much better assassins whose kits actually function to help them.

xDogMeatxJan 2, 20201 votes

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It isn't a doubled auto attack.

It's BONUS MAGIC DAMAGE that scales up to 200% of his AD + 1 per souls collected

So it is 100% AD physical + (200% + 1 per soul) magic damage.

The physical portion can crit, and AD thresh is usually built with crit.

So now you're looking at 200% for the physical damage

And with IE that is 250% physical + (200% + 1 per soul) magic.

Even with Thresh at level 11 (75 base AD) with 50 souls

That's 280 AD, not accounting for runes or other sources

250% (280) + 200% (280) + 50 + 120 from Stormrazor

700 physical + 560 + 50 + 120 magic damage

1435 total damage before resistances.

Yeah, that's nothing to scratch your head over.

finally i did it.

DuskDaUmbreonJan 2, 20201 votes

And, yet, with all that damage, it has an absurdly low pickrate.

When that happens, that generally points to a flaw in it - Either the build has a massive flaw that you're missing, or you're basically never going to get to that build because it's absurdly trash early on.

xDogMeatxJan 2, 20201 votes

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And, yet, with all that damage, it has an absurdly low pickrate.

When that happens, that generally points to a flaw in it - Either the build has a massive flaw that you're missing, or you're basically never going to get to that build because it's absurdly trash early on.

to be fair it only works best on adc burst types like draven/lucian since they are all in champs beyond that you better hope they dont have any malphite-type attacks like Alistar as a example.

xDogMeatxJan 2, 20201 votes

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Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20201 votes

Nice 404 error

xDogMeatxJan 2, 20201 votes

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Nice 404 error

i dont know how to make a GIF of kermit. give me a Sec.

edited i made it.

Elite4RunnerJan 2, 20201 votes

You need to get the url for the .jpg

I'm using Firefox. You right click the image and open it in a new window.

The url needs to end in .jpg or .png .. there are a few other formats that work too.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/9440d69e61.jpg

xDogMeatxJan 2, 20201 votes

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You need to get the url for the .jpg

I'm using Firefox. You right click the image and open it in a new window.

The url needs to end in .jpg or .png .. there are a few other formats that work too.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/9440d69e61.jpg

oh cool i didnt know that.

Edit: fixed my post.