Rengars identity crisis

Buttigieg 2020··6 votes·676 views

Rengar has not had a single firm identity since realease. On release he was a full tank that could 1 shot carries, later on he became an assasin who 1 shot people, after the rework he became a fighter in the jungle who jumped on carries and locked them down for your team to kill, now he is back to being an assasin in the jungle. Riot needs to realize they can't give rengar everything, they need to give rengar an identity.

tank rengar idea no, rengar isn't a tank and he should not be made into a tank.

Assasin rengar idea: remove bonus resists on battle roar, increase base damage and ad ratio on savagery. When rengar is a good assasin, he can jump into fights and gain up to 50 armor/magic resist effectively making him extremely hard to kill and giving him free reign to wreck your team.

Fighter rengar idea: lower w cooldown, give un-empowered w a small heal, lower base damage and ad ratio on q/empowered q, give un-empowered q a small burst of attack speed (30% for 1 second maybe?). These changes are to help rengar dive the backline and slowly kill the carries while sustaining with his w.

If you have any other ideas for changes to rengar, tell me in the comments.

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Korthalia2 votes

Well, where to start...

Rengar has not had a single firm identity since realease.

He had, and that is of a (extremely) bursty bruiser, and one he currently retains. In addition to having lockdown.

Riot needs to realize they can't give rengar everything, they need to give rengar an identity.

Well he **DOES ** have an identity, it's just that maintaining it while giving him absurd lockdown is definitely not something Riot should've done.

It's not that he needs another rework, his kit needs a revisit because of being problematic.

Rengar can be made to work as a bursty bruiser, he has his weaknesses, it's just that some of them are poorly implemented. Mostly because despite saying that reworked Rengar will have his empowered abilities detached from their regular ranks, Battle Roar and Bola Strike still are - the resistances bonus and the slow, to be exact. Also new ult ferocity generation mechanism fucks you over if you die lategame.

I have played 1k+ games as Rengar, and your ideas are wrong for a couple of reasons:

remove bonus resists on battle roar

The moment that happens, his regular W becomes absolutely useless.

increase base damage and ad ratio on savagery

Base damage on both regular and empowered Q are fine. The ratio is actually outright broken due to how attack resets work.

Do you realize why Rengar's core item is item 3142 ? Do you know why item 3031 is just making Rengar unable to be balanced as an assassin at the moment?

Because if he gets a lucky crit on Empowered Savagery, his actual total ad ratio was 240%. And that ability usually has 2.4 sec cooldown.

The moment he grabs IE, any brawl vs Rengar becomes a total gamble. He can easily chain 2 Savageries if you used one mid-air. Empowered Savagery with IE has an astonishing 375% total AD ratio (well holy fuck, Kha'Zix' entire spell rotation is 380% bonus AD, albeit with much higher bases), not to mention he gains a 10% total AD bonus. If Rengar crits on both, he deals a ton of base damage and 705% of his total AD. And it's not uncommon for people to blow up.

lower w cooldown

That's just making him a ball of stats. More uptime on armor/mr bonus.

give un-empowered w a small heal

Welcome back, Season 2 lane sustain.

That'd be it. Also:

give un-empowered q a small burst of attack speed (30% for 1 second maybe?)

He actually gets a 40% attack speed bonus on regular Q. Granted, it only lasts for 2 attacks, but still...

LilxPaprika1 votes

can he really? reminds me of akali and her shroud gave her 50 armor mr. i used to play tankakali back then was so strong

rylais was really good on her with it. still is for the slow of course

Buttigieg 20201 votes

He can gain 50 armor and magic resist if He hits 5 with his roar.

N3mO061 votes

he is an assassin for me. For me Rengar need a way to use his passive out of brushes using an ability like Kalista's q or a combo of abilities like Nidalee. Maybe something like the possibility to use your passive if you active your q on a target how is hit by Rengar's e. This kind of change for me is necessary not only for Assassin rengar, but also for fighter rengar that would, otherwise, be surpassed by any other bruiser like Vi, Jarvan, Olaf, Riven

N3mO061 votes

Man Only autoattack part of the q can crit, so it isn't so strong, It's strong Like every champ that build crit and has aa reset

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