Regarding Yi and how ludicrous he is right now

Elohaven··7 votes·2,937 views

I made a post before that got some notice, but Yi does 1000 true damage in a single 1v1 in about 2-4 seconds with Guinsoos+Conqueror+E. With Bloodrazor, this significantly increases and with Essence Reaver it's one of the most unhealthiest combinations in the game.

However, Guinsoos isn't why he's broken. Most guinsoo based champions have sub 50% winrates with Kai'Sa being the exception. We also can't nerf Yi's kit because before Conqueror, he was really weak. It says a lot.

It's more of an issue with Conqueror. Introduction of more true damage in the game was the worst thing you could do. It is a simple task just to add more AD as a fight progresses, but 20% of damage to true damage is way too much since many champions can execute you or chunk you now.

We get bruisers/juggernauts were in a shit state because of ADC damage but you should've listened to the Boards and nerfed ADC damage first. Rather than have Conqueror proc on minions, it should be on champions as it's for extended trades. You making Conqueror able to interact on minions means you know damage is so high across the board champions can't last that long to be significant threats. They just target the squishies and then move all their power on the frontline.

I say change Conqueror to either be champion-reliant or increase your AD by 20% or by a flat portion like Fervor. That's much healthier for the game.

In the past, Riot would have never introduced this much true damage. I don't know why it should now.

11 Comments

DoktorKaiser4 votes

Even Jax who is not such a crazy Conqueror abuser feels absolutely broken, let alone Irelia, Yasuo, Fiora, Tryndamere, Camille and especially fucking Yi who I seriously think is the most broken champion in the game right now and I have never stated that even when I was a beginner noob in season 1... He is straight up unfair to play against, he gets fed in 95% of games from my experience and solo wins at least 70% of my games, and here comes the worst part, HE EVEN WINS VS HIGH CC COMPS WITH JUST A SINGLE USEFUL SUPPORT WHAT THE FUCK !?!?!?

Gregorovic082 votes

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Even Jax who is not such a crazy Conqueror abuser feels absolutely broken, let alone Irelia, Yasuo, Fiora, Tryndamere, Camille and especially fucking Yi who I seriously think is the most broken champion in the game right now and I have never stated that even when I was a beginner noob in season 1... He is straight up unfair to play against, he gets fed in 95% of games from my experience and solo wins at least 70% of my games, and here comes the worst part, HE EVEN WINS VS HIGH CC COMPS WITH JUST A SINGLE USEFUL SUPPORT WHAT THE FUCK !?!?!?

Iirc, Fiora and Camille don't really use conqueror due to them already having a lot of readily available true damage.

Ulquiorra01231 votes

Hmmmm a gold player complaining about a late game hyper carry that got to late game. What a surprise, CC him, it works.

Elohaven1 votes

Damn! Your post!

I agree man! Let's also revert the nerfs to Vayne, Kai'Sa, Swain, and Ornn! CC can easily stop them man! Let's also not nerf Irelia next patch! CC stomps her man!

Pika Fox1 votes

Tfw people are complaining about yi in 2018. Maybe if people played champions with CC instead of 5x carry comps youd find him easily managable.

DÜWAP KAINE1 votes

You've been such a weasel to everyone complaining about Yi on the boards LOL. I see you on every post and you just write "hurrdurr just CC him." But I see that you dont even play ranked?

Yi's 2 item powerspike (assuming hes jg) is just way too high right now, esp with Conqueror. He will shred teams even if there are 2 solid tanks on them just due to the nature of Conqueror. He makes Ornn look like a 2k HP Lux xd. Either Conqueror or the Guinsoos synergy with Yi needs to be nerfed. Judging by the other bruisers that abuse Conqueror (Jax, Irelia, etc.), I think it is primarily this rune that is the problem rather than those items. And, he can abuse Essence Reaver to basically be un-CCable by getting Alpha strike up every second. I mean he has teammates too, you can't just save 5 CC abilities for him or you'll autolose the fight. This shit is worse than the sated devourer days and god help me that was cancer.

Pika Fox1 votes

Ive been playing since before S1. Yi has literally always functioned the same. He is a melee hyper carry who goes full AD squish. Literally any CC and he dies. His only defense against CC is to pray he times Q. If he does, just hit him with a different CC.

His powerspike means literally nothing if hes dead and cant even close the gap between you. If you/your team refuse to group and teamfight to deal with him, thats on you.

Yi is only being picked atm for some cheese strat. The weakness to the strat is that everything goes to yi, and he doesnt pressure any lane. Your mid gets a free farm lane if they play a bit back and can hard shove soon after yi leaves. Your jungler gets free ganks bot and top, meaning both should easily win, and now Yi is the only champ with items. He will go full damage because hes expecting to carry, with his gimped support supplying him with all the defense he will ever have. TARGET HIS SUPPORT FIRST. Theyll have less items than a real support and after they die yi will have literally no defensive options.

Come mid game your team should be massively ahead and as long as you dont try to 1v1 or 2v2 the yi youll be good.

rtbf2216514121 votes

He went 7/7...

While urgot had the highest KDA and damage to champions.

Fefnil1 votes

You do realize that against someone with 100 armor, the true damage part of Conqueror gives you a measly 20% effective damage increase, right? And that the less armor the target has, the less that increase becomes. If anything, it's the mixture of many variables that made Yi pop up, mainly the new Essence Reaver, so I give you credit for the rest. Conversion to true damage of Conqueror and IE is actually one the few things they finally got right at Riot, since it's neutral against squishies and effective against tanks, which is the point of that keystone and item.

Elohaven1 votes
  • Tanks are effectively useless right now since every one and their mother has true damage and can do an ADC's job.
  • Yi doesn't build Reaver unless he's so ahead.
Fefnil1 votes

"Everyone and their mother" consists of Infinity Edge users, since that's the only true damage added this patch. And marksmen are in a bad spot, so the only champions that are left are the bruisers that build Infinity Edge, which can be counted on one hand, and they are also not in the best spot right now. The actual argument you should use is that removing the competition of a certain mechanic makes said mechanic stronger, which is what happened: Conquerer and marksmen are both counters to tanks. Before this patch, marksmen were the strongest, so, even if Conquerer was good against against tanks and removed them from toplane, marksmen still had the "spotlight". Now that marksmen are weaker, Conquerer is the new strongest anti-tank thing. So Conquerer is not what changed Master Yi, but simply his competition weakened. This doesn't mean Yi isn't a problem, but it's important to target the actual reasons. With that said, Conquerer's anti-tank part is still a multiplier and not a flat damage increase. This means that the problem can be solved by reducing the damage it's multiplying, since, mathematically speaking, Conquerer is a good and niche concept and 20% is not a bad number, so for game health's sake, it's better to not attack it too much.

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