How childish ARE marksman players, really?

chipndip1·Jul 5, 2018·6 votes·1,144 views

How long does the entire game have to revolve around you guys? Like, marksmen are still perfectly viable bot lane picks and you guys still whine. So late game hyper-carry marksmen are weak now. And? It's not like they weren't the gods of the game just a bit ago, anyway. You guys think that other people LIKED getting AA'd 3 times by a marksman on 100% crit and straight dying? That shit sucked. If you guys have that late game power, then you have to earn it, because when it comes online, that's fucking it for everyone else. There's no turning it off and you guys command the ebb-n-flow of the game from that point forward.

Someone HAS to be down for others to be up in this game. You guys had a LONG run being on top or near it.

14 Comments

dunder killJul 5, 20187 votes

Not nearly as childish as this thread. Sheesh cringe af

KaiokoJul 5, 20186 votes

There's a difference between being down and being entirely useless. They pushed it too far and are correcting that slowly but surely. Referring to them as "childish" does nothing to help that balance.

MagicFlyingLlamaJul 5, 20182 votes

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There's a difference between being down and being entirely useless. They pushed it too far and are correcting that slowly but surely. Referring to them as "childish" does nothing to help that balance.

ADCs are not even close to useless. Get off the circlejerk and maybe look at entire champ classes that have been dumpstered for years.

Basically, what OP said about ADC entitlement.

KaiokoJul 5, 20184 votes

You're right the entire champ class isn't useless I never said all of them were. The crit ones are however which is why they keep getting one buff after another. Get used to it -- it's needed and this thread won't change that.

HalcyonDwellerJul 5, 20186 votes

The idea that someone has to be down for others to be up is stupid.
The real problem is that Riot neglected other classes. Don't pick fights with marksman players for other peoples' failings. It's not marksman players' fault that Riot neglected other classes.

ChargeItDownMidJul 5, 20182 votes

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chipndip1Jul 5, 20181 votes

Thank you

NipsahoyJul 5, 20186 votes

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Riot hasn't neglected other classes, they simply kept marksmen overpowered for way too long. It isn't like there has been any one archetype which has been underpowered and neglected for the past 8 seasons. Every archetype were held to one standard of balance except marksmen who were allowed to be 100% pick/ban in every meta for 8 seasons. Now, riot has finally bitten the bullet and tried to put marksmen in line with other archetypes and marksmen mains are predictably qqing because they don't understand what it is like to play a balanced champion.

Also, no one is blaming marksmen mains for riot's balancing, they are just calling marksmen mains out for qqing when their champions are finally balanced.

But assassins killing you in 1 combo at level 6 from full health, totally balanced amirite? This is why no one takes these boards seriously. You rage and cry about how it's unfair for a squishy class like a marksmen to do a lot of damage but as soon as your champ can do it now it's balanced. xD

HalcyonDwellerJul 5, 20181 votes

Whether they are balanced or not is subjective, people are bound to be upset after their role gets nerfed. If you wouldn't want others to expect you to keep your cool if Riot nerfed your class and it felt unviable afterwards then you shouldn't expect that of others.

NipsahoyJul 5, 20186 votes

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How long does the entire game have to revolve around you guys? Like, marksmen are still perfectly viable bot lane picks and you guys still whine. So late game hyper-carry marksmen are weak now. And? It's not like they weren't the gods of the game just a bit ago, anyway. You guys think that other people LIKED getting AA'd 3 times by a marksman on 100% crit and straight dying? That shit sucked. If you guys have that late game power, then you have to earn it, because when it comes online, that's fucking it for everyone else. There's no turning it off and you guys command the ebb-n-flow of the game from that point forward.

Someone HAS to be down for others to be up in this game. You guys had a LONG run being on top or near it.

I'd just like melee champs to actually take skill to get a kill. Right now when you play a crit marksmen wukong flash Q/Rs you and you lose your entire hp before you even hit the ground from the knockup on cyclone. Or any assassin with duskblade facerolls you and you can't do anything. Melee champs need a bit more counterplay imo electocute, sudden impact, and ignite have made their combos do too much damage and there is a severe lack of counterplay now. If they want to make crit marksmen useless for 25 minutes then games actually need to go longer than 25-30 minutes because as it stands you spend 90% of the game being a walking gold bag and maybe 10% actually being a threat that can do damage. If games went 40 minutes typically then it'd be fine but they don't. It shouldn't be viable to run 4-5 melee champs commonplace in team comps now and it's perfectly viable. They got way too much. So much they even had to shelve those two new items they were coming out with because it would have made them even more absurd then they already are now.

At least marksmen are squishy and can be killed easily even if they were fed. Try killing a fed vladimir or yasuo. Look it's not acceptable for melee champs to become gods at 3k gold and as a crit marksmen you need 10k to even be a factor. I mean I don't understand how someone can argue it's not ok for marksmen to kill with 4-5 autos but then it's perfectly acceptable for Wukong to jump in with Q and crushing blow and press R and you die in 2 seconds. You can't say it makes sense for melee to have more damage, more health, more resistances, more defensive skills/mobility and fora crit adc to have nothing for 30 min. It's just not healthy game design.

2nd ChanceJul 5, 20181 votes

https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg/img

Not to mention most of the champions that can use the funnel strat effectively are ADCs as well

ApollyonBainerJul 6, 20181 votes

I kind of like the was ADC is right now. They still do dmg but need more items in order to do that damage, which means they just need more gold. In order to max gold intake as an ADC you cant die early. Simple. You just stay alive and farm till late game. Thats the whole job. SO I honestly find it more rewarding to play the whole game well instead of dealing unstoppable damage in the mid game.

This meta rewards good play and really punishes people who dont know how to farm and end up dead from a bad trade

Gear JammerJul 6, 20181 votes

The problem isn't that ADCs don't do enough damage it's everyone else does to much so if ADCs Wich yes do it with AAs can't do as much they aren't viable, solution lower everyone's damage then rebalance the outliers.