Morgana Mid is Mindless

PrometheS·May 31, 2016·19 votes·5,018 views

I've never played against something so braindead. W and shove the wave with your best in class waveclear. The pool is also quite large and easily procs Thunderlords so it's hard to get close to her. If you step to the side of it, a bind the size of a Nautilus comes at you with the visuals of a Teemo.

If you poke her with anything of value or she gets ganked, just E (missing Q is rarely a problem). Even if you do land harass, she'll just spellvamp it all back and is never really in danger. She's basically an afk pushing bot with almost 0 decision making or interaction. Just waveclear nearly instantly and try for some Q all in, rinse repeat for 20 minutes. It's completely braindead and I do not mean that in the "super OP" sense.

71 Comments

Swiftstrike4May 31, 201611 votes

Morgana is a utility mid-laner. Essentially, hold the mid-lane until laning phase ends. She really isn't a threat and drops off even if she builds full AP.

ShonjlMay 31, 20164 votes

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Morgana is a utility mid-laner. Essentially, hold the mid-lane until laning phase ends. She really isn't a threat and drops off even if she builds full AP.

Not sure what you are talking about, I do her mid lane and generally shit on people once I get some items on me, moreso if they are AP, even moreso if it basically isn't Zed or Talon(I love fighting Yasuo as Morg)

Swiftstrike4May 31, 20163 votes

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Not sure what you are talking about, I do her mid lane and generally shit on people once I get some items on me, moreso if they are AP, even moreso if it basically isn't Zed or Talon(I love fighting Yasuo as Morg)

I don't see mid-Morgana's carry through damage often. I do see her played as both a support and midlaner, but I rarely see her in my Elo hard carry through a full AP build from the mid-lane. I could probably count on one hand how many times a mid-Morgana was a serious damage threat in my games.

Her damage doesn't seem to scale too well. She is essentially a mage that deals slightly less damage than Lux with similar static scaling. Morgana's can carry through their kit, but I can't think of too many times where I have seen a Meiji's Morgana with a death cap be a serious threat in a game.

Maximum MordeMay 31, 20162 votes

Morgana can 100-0 a squishy just fine with only two spells. Late game I've landed Q and dropped a puddle under an ADC from full health and watched them die with no other damage coming their way.

Wit her R included, people evaporate. Yes her kit is stronger on utility because her damage is spread over time, but if you actually add up her bases and ratios you will find she is among the top of the list when it comes to highest total combo damage in the game.

PsyturkeyMay 31, 20162 votes

Yeah, but a good adc isn't going to get binded like that. It might work at low elo, but good adcs don't stand close enough for you to reliably land binds.

Morg does great damage if she lands her bind (and only if she lands her bind) but has comparatively long cool downs.

Maximum MordeMay 31, 20162 votes

Her cooldowns aren't long at all. Run 45% CDR build. And yeah an ADC shouldn't get binded like that, but sometimes it happens when a Q gets thrown from fog of war.

If you run an engage comp, Morg doesn't need to use her Q, she can hold it for runners, follow up CC after an ult, or local peeling instead.

Yeah solo she needs to land the Q, but that isn't very hard in this meta of short ranged champs that want to get in your face.

PsyturkeyMay 31, 20161 votes

"Her cool downs aren't long, just build 45% cdr".

NakedGrannyMay 31, 20161 votes

And why would you ever pick a Morgana when Blitz's Q is far more deadly and functional, since it actually repositions a target instead of just mildly inconveniencing them for 2 seconds.

Blitz puts out more burst damage than Morg, and his is unavoidable because it's instant, whereas Morg has to sit around in melee with her target for about 5 total seconds in order for get Soil to tick while she Qs and waits for R to finish. Basically, you can't actually leverage Morg's damage output unless your opponent is so stupid that they'll stand around watching the pretty purple colors.

Blitz just needs to land a single Q and that target is instantly dead after the enemy team piles onto him while Blitz insta-pops his knock-up and R...

LaughingStaplerMay 31, 20161 votes

The post is about mid and Blitz doesn't have the waveclear and bully potential Morgana does.

SpoofghoulMay 31, 20162 votes

yea blackshiedl o whats that u try knocking me up? nah aint happening

even more annoying then morgana mid is morgana mid with banner and zzrot for 100% braindead afk pushing

Being ungankable and forcing your opponent to suck it up and stay in midlane for 40 minutes

ShonjlJun 1, 20161 votes

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yea blackshiedl o whats that u try knocking me up? nah aint happening

even more annoying then morgana mid is morgana mid with banner and zzrot for 100% braindead afk pushing

Being ungankable and forcing your opponent to suck it up and stay in midlane for 40 minutes

I never thought of getting those on Morg, I need to try that next time I bring her mid. Time to be an ahole ahaha.

ParoeJun 1, 20161 votes

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I never thought of getting those on Morg, I need to try that next time I bring her mid. Time to be an ahole ahaha.

I personally do Mpen... item 3027 item 3151 item 3020 is core. after that you have item 3001 item 3157 item 3174 . With Mpen runes and masteries, you get about 60 and then 350AP or so. its quite powerful, people will very often under-estimate how much damage your pool does in the early game.

WheatloafMay 31, 20164 votes

Most utility mid laners don't "hold the lane" by repeatedly shoving it into your turret with a single spell. No, she's not a threat, but it's a pretty mind-numbing experience. Basically forces the entire lane to stagnate until teamfights.

EcchiOtakuTMMay 31, 20161 votes

Actually utility mid laners do.

It's just that the other utility mid laners have more kill pressure to boot like anivia, viktor, Sol, Azir, Cassi(maxing W 1st/2nd), Malz, Swain, Taliyah, and Zil.

I might have actually missed a few but generally a lot of utility mages have 1 skill or low CD wave clearing and can forcefully make a lane even if they choose to play safe until teamfights. Unlike morg however they all have more kill pressure.

Basically tbh morg forces you to play safe while the rest you can choose to play safe or not.

Swiftstrike4May 31, 20162 votes

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Most utility mid laners don't "hold the lane" by repeatedly shoving it into your turret with a single spell. No, she's not a threat, but it's a pretty mind-numbing experience. Basically forces the entire lane to stagnate until teamfights.

I think most utility mages have great wave clear and they should. They can't really "win lane" through kills, which appears to be the primary complaint about the champion. If you are playing a champion that wins lane through kills, then of course you are going to have issues with Morgana.

She can wave clear;
Set up Ganks for the jungler with her Q and R;
Avoid getting ganked through Black shield. It sounds like you, the original poster, and others that are complaining about the "overpowered Morgana" is not that she is an oppressive lane opponent, but that Morgana's kit alters the paradigm for playing and winning the mid-lane. This is no more or less similar to complaining about champions that can dive and/or become untargetable such as and and win through kills.

Surprise, she win's lane through a different metric than you may be accustomed too! Then you need to adjust your style of play or simply farm under turret in a lane that gets shoved a lot.

NakedGrannyMay 31, 20161 votes

More importantly, it takes time for the puddle to tick.

If you have any kind of AoE nuke at all, you're going to scatter your minions out of it as they march towards her tower. She needs them to stay put and tightly packed in order to get any use out of her puddle at all. As wave-clearing tools go, Soil ... sucks. No really. It sucks bad. Xerath, Lux, Ziggy, Viggy... anyone with an instant-AoE can push her against her tower and she can't do much about it.

Punching TopMay 31, 20166 votes

Basically, AP version of Nasus

Dark NephthysMay 31, 20163 votes

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Basically, AP

Exactly my thought to lol. He just walks up to minion...Q and sit there until Q is off CD and another almost dead minion. If you walk up to him, he'll wither you and walk away (or fight you if wither counters you) and just lifesteal all his health back..

AstôlfoMay 31, 20162 votes

Isn't Nasus AP anyways?

r4ndomkillMay 31, 20161 votes

kek

JafarThePandaMay 31, 20161 votes

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Isn't Nasus AP anyways?

He can go either way, but mostly you tank

TWITCHTV ERONATEMay 31, 20166 votes

I've always thought she's the easiest midlaner to lane against She's squishy, her combo has decent cd and not much dmg, an assassin will just shit over her. Buying tenacity + magic resistance boots make her even more useless

You just need to abuse her pushing power and cooldowns to the max

Lady HammerlockMay 31, 20163 votes

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I've always thought she's the easiest midlaner to lane against She's squishy, her combo has decent cd and not much dmg, an assassin will just shit over her. Buying tenacity + magic resistance boots make her even more useless

You just need to abuse her pushing power and cooldowns to the max

^^ Her cooldowns are long her mana costs are high(abuse those 2 factors hard) she needs to step up if she wants to W you so punish the hell out of her Watch for black shield,time your spells don't go willy nilly her Q although has the most retarded hitbox to animation can be predicted from its long cast time and kinda slow travel speed,its also her only single burst spell pre-6 Her ult is pretty meh in one on one's,it's just so easy to punish her because she has to stay close

EROTIC RAID BOSSMay 31, 20161 votes

If you have really really really good all in then maybe. She can heal up poke and has pretty good self peel though. Tbh I just farm until laning phase ends I don't try to kill her unless I get a nice gank

Maximum MordeMay 31, 20162 votes

Assassins get rekt by Morgana. The only one with the advantage over her statistically is Talon. I personally feel that is a winnable lane for Morgana, having played it quite a few times, you just have to alter your build. I'll concede it statistically though. The rest just get dunked by her. Yasuo, Zed, Fizz, Leblanc, Diana, Akali, Ekko, those are all easy lanes for Morg.

She's also not that squishy. As far as base stats go she's pretty high on the list for mages.

tainteddazeMay 31, 20166 votes

zed midlane is mindless also. Spam q spam q hit w and spam q plus e.

morg has a horrible wave clear ability. Its overtime not instant so morg has to control the waves more properly or else she won't be able to clear good like other champions can

FeathermaneMay 31, 20163 votes

Morgana's waveclear is second only to 80% of other champions. Go back to 2013 with your harangue.

MalfiniMay 31, 20163 votes

Too much NaCl coming from this thread. If you can't counter Morgana , then you are referring to yourself as "braindead". She is pretty much a free kill after she does her combo.

LaughingStaplerMay 31, 20161 votes

If she does her combo, you're likely the one dead or at least too chunked to retaliate. Morgana has an excellent mid winrate and takes basically no skill to play effectively. It's basically PvE. Even if you try to bait her W and Q by going to the side, she can just ignore you and keep pushing. At least Nasus doesn't force you to stay in lane until he gets some stacks and Sheen to really threaten turrets. She basically chains you to mid into that mindless waveclear war with zero risk for her.

TheyCallMeKeiffMay 31, 20163 votes

The thing about Morgana mid is that she's a one trick pony. One way to engage, one way to disengage, one way to farm. Shes well rounded in all those ways, the trick is to get her out of that window of always having something to even things out. Let's tackle her tormented ground first: this will most likely be maxed first and her main farming tool, by mid game it will clear the whole wave, how do you make her use it somewhere else other than to just delete a whole wave? well any more sets one under a snared opponent, and almost as many will still use it if they THINK their q was going to hit, so what I do is i play on the sides of the lane, bush warded ifc, but the point is to bait her q first and foremost, but also looking to get her to waste her DoT/AoE damage. If you do this successfully, she is on CD for a ten second window or so, this is the time you use to trade back or safely farm your wave. As far as her black shield goes, how hard she is to catch depends on the player, I often find myself playing ahri against morg mid, what I do is run toward her aggressively like im about to force a trade and then just auto or throw a q her way. If she falls for it, she just used a valuable spell shield for nothing and now leaves me a 15 second window to engage on her with little no no resistance.

So... it's not that Morgana mid is brainless, though I understand what you mean, I had to stop supporting with her because it just became the same boring stuff game after game, but Morgana gets into a routine when in a solo lane setting, and the only way to have meaningful trades with her is to make her use her abilities in a way that brings a stop to her farm/poke cycle and to do it often enough to keep her from healing through that damage on the next wave.

Hope that helps a bit, sorry for the wall.

ShonjlMay 31, 20162 votes

You have to beat her early, she is weak til she gets RoA, once you get ahead it won't be as easy for her under turret she doesnt last hit as well, but also not impossible either. If you allow her to farm up then you don't really have much a chance. Also if you waveclear better than her she will have a hard time, all of her waveclear is in her W which until it gets 3 points in it, won't 1 shot minions, and that is if they stand in it the entire time. If you play a champ that can completely blow up a wave fast, then she will not get farmed up and that basically removes her damage, so she becomes just another support.

What I see a lot when I do Morg mid is people will leave lane, I will shove hard and they lose their tower, now they are fked in mid while I basically get to go top or bot where I please as a 2nd support that hits very hard.

Also OP is funny to complain about Morg of all things since there is worse things to actually complain about, and for once it isn't Zed since he is permabanned if people are smart.

TheOvermindMay 31, 20162 votes

yeah and then you also look at her base stats and u see she has way above average base HP armor, HP and mana Regen and base AD. like wtf...

PsyturkeyMay 31, 20162 votes

A few points to counter play Morg: -Morg relies on her pool to kill the minions. It's a long cool down though so if you can break up the wave or burst her wave down after she's used her pool you can really mess up her ability to farm. ---Break up the wave by dragging her minions to the side, which in turn will cause your minions to follow and break up the wave preventing her from hitting all of the minions at once. ---Her pushing power is consistent and reliable, but she doesn't exactly burst the wave down. If you are capable of bursting the wave down (and a lot of mid champs can) you can ensure your creeps do not stand on her pool long enough to die which will give her trouble pushing you in. ---Morg pushes well, but does not do well under tower (yes, you can be ganked, I do not advocate pushing blindly, but use your head - there are ways to avoid ganks and dodge bindings).

-Dodge her binding. ---Seriously, dodge her binding - she basically can't hurt you when her binding is down. Dodge her binding and punish her for wasting her only form of pressure. ---If she still has her binding, play as though she still has her binding. If you're playing Talon, don't jump her when she has binding because it sets up a free full combo on yourself. Bait the binding out before you jump her.

-Focus on warding and catching her team mates out.

USG FailsawceMay 31, 20161 votes

I thought I was the only one who felt this way... She's kind of broken as hell if she's able to mid this easy against actual meta picks and have basically 0 downside for it.

spombjopMay 31, 20162 votes

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I thought I was the only one who felt this way... She's kind of broken as hell if she's able to mid this easy against actual meta picks and have basically 0 downside for it.

morg is good mid, but vs META picks? do u even know that Fizz, Zed, Ahri, Gangplank are meta picks? Even gank wouldnt help morgana vs them.

AstôlfoMay 31, 20162 votes

lmao get a load of this guy

Pandemic PunchMay 31, 20161 votes

Mmmmmm

ZoeeeeMay 31, 20161 votes

Garen is the most broken mindless champ ever. CDs up? Go in, ult up? Go in. Enemy low under tower? Flash ult. All of this with free sustain that ramps up as the game goes on.

1000angrybeesMay 31, 20161 votes

Isn't her difficulty legitimately like 1 or something?

and besides, she's not great after the laning phase. Like a glorified support on a mid budget.

nami tfMay 31, 20161 votes

Play Jhin and return burst for poke.

ElishevaMay 31, 20161 votes

you've obviously never played any other midlaner. Kat might be good, basically morgana, but if you have mediocre reflexes, higher kill potential.

Maximum MordeMay 31, 20161 votes

Wait, are we talking about Zed, or Morgana?

RIP ResonanceMay 31, 20161 votes

You act like this is the first brain dead champion

Annie Janna Soraka Nunu Lulu Ryze

LaughingStaplerMay 31, 20161 votes

Ryze is actually a pretty high skill-cap champion to play effectively. The difference is also that something like Annie or Ryze can get harassed and out-pushed quite easily. Morgana pretty much makes you her bitch and forces you to sit there defending your turret to endless pushing and laughs if you try to harass her or gank her.

RIP ResonanceMay 31, 20161 votes

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Ryze is actually a pretty high skill-cap champion

Start mana crystal 3 pots Farm to Tear Build ROA Complete archangels staff

If the game isn't already over by then

Build GA Build Hourglass Get Rabadons

MunchCrunchLunchMay 31, 20161 votes

basically anivia?

LaughingStaplerMay 31, 20161 votes

Anivia's pretty busted. She's actually getting nerfed next patch. Her buffs were not really needed.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 31, 20162 votes

anivia is one of the champions i despise the most. even more so before her rework.

DrDiagaMay 31, 20161 votes

Morg has high cooldowns, decently high Mana costs. Not counting ult she only has two damage spells. Q isn't that hard to dodge or block. Her pool won't do shit if you aren't snared in it.

Make her miss a q, make her pay for it. She uses a pool for minions, she can't snare you in it.

She has small windows to do anything, less so if she is burning her Mana to pool minion waves. Not like she's a hard lane.