Reminder: Shaco is the highest winrate jungler right now, and that's why he's getting nerfed

Zenthon Prime·12/14/2016, 5:47:24 PM·138 votes·7,134 views

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You wanna know why he's getting blasted so hard? This is why. Above 50% winrate at 0-5 games played, climbing up to above 60% at 50+ (125 is skewed slightly lower due to the last two patches and people relearning him). I bet it would have gotten higher had Riot not hotfixed him, with even more people dropping the old AD build.

I won't argue the nerfs seem a bit.....extreme, but to say AP Shaco shouldn't be nerfed is silly. He is absolutely overpowered right now.

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Blood Lyrics12/14/2016, 5:53:06 PM40 votes

A lot of the complaints I've seen are about the AD Shaco nerfs. Like why are they nerfing his bonus AD ratio on E and the base damage of the ult? If AP Shaco is strong at the moment while AD Shaco is under-performing, why not nerf AP Shaco exclusively instead of hitting AD Shaco as well? Nerf the AP Ratios instead of his base damages/AD scaling.

Weathered12/14/2016, 9:03:10 PM10 votes

My issue is that his AD build is at a 40% winrate right now, so what are Shaco players going to do after this?

Frius12/15/2016, 12:09:01 AM9 votes

means lee sin and vayne shouldve been buried 100 m underground for their winrate/playrate.

Demented Gag12/14/2016, 7:30:57 PM8 votes

Most people I've seen complaining about AD Shaco nerfs, not AP.

TequilaZombie12/14/2016, 7:36:07 PM5 votes

Said it in other topic, will copy paste here:

The thing is: He has a really easy way to proc at the same time, resulting in an obnoxiously huge burst of damage.

Basicly his Q goes from 116+72,5% AP to 484.55+162.5% AP (with an extra 180 + 10% AP from Thunderlords - 664.55 + 172.5% AP). And this happens instantly. With his core AP build he gets 567 AP. This translates to a 1643 damage burst happening instantly out of stealth on his Q alone. Without Thunderlords, Lich Bane, Runic Echoes, and Gunblade damaging passives/actives, he'd deal 527 damage on his Q.

Dealing more damage with his Q means that his E will hit harder due to E's 8% missing health damage.

's numbers are not the problem, the items are not the problem, the main problem is how easy it is for Shaco to use those items to their fullest potential.

Shaco was always an item abuser (with Q+P+IE Statik Shiv would hit for a whooping 388 damage before his rework). The only problem is that AP items are much more abusable than AD items because, in theory, they would be a bit harder and conditional to apply.

I'm honestly scared of what will become of Shaco because unless his main playstyle is reverted to AD, he will have to get Olafed/Aziered/Kalisted/Aatroxed very VERY hard.

metabuser12/14/2016, 6:57:19 PM5 votes

You understand that Rito themselves said that Shaco's winrate comes from Shaco's player base. Right now, the only people who play Shaco, are people that have mastery over him.

BurningDolphins 12/14/2016, 7:53:27 PM3 votes

I mean you are right that the AP damage seemed a little over powered. But people are upset because they gutted Shaco's old primary build and then shaco players find a new one, and they nerf that as well

Touch My Box12/16/2016, 4:39:52 AM2 votes

Nerfs already went through kid.

SaladSavior21512/14/2016, 7:30:39 PM2 votes

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You wanna know why he's getting blasted so hard? This is why. Above 50% winrate at 0-5 games played, climbing up to above 60% at 50+ (125 is skewed slightly lower due to the last two patches and people relearning him). I bet it would have gotten higher had Riot not hotfixed him, with even more people dropping the old AD build.

I won't argue the nerfs seem a bit.....extreme, but to say AP Shaco shouldn't be nerfed is silly. He is absolutely overpowered right now.

are you forgetting that riot nerfed his ad and now only option is to build ap? they focused on gutting this guy hard AF.

MunchCrunchLunch12/14/2016, 7:39:11 PM2 votes

the nerfs are pretty fucking huge tho. they aren't a "lower winrate" nerf. they reduced his damage by 200 + 0.25 ap. late game.

dominusx12/14/2016, 5:51:38 PM2 votes

not like he has high winrate because people stomp low elo with him even if they are bad.

VoraciousX12/16/2016, 12:33:38 AM2 votes

K I know how to get our assassin Shaco back. EVERYBODY who plays Shaco play him tank/bruiser, lol. Once it takes over Assassin Shaco they'll buff Assassin Shaco back to usefulness. I'll admit that sounds boring as heck as I prefer AP Shaco for the outplays but if it gets me my AP back I wouldn't mind doing it for a while.

Back to reacting to the nerfs...is anyone even going to be afraid of the clone now? It seems to be like people will just not care about it now.

VoraciousX12/16/2016, 4:29:45 AM2 votes

Early game he'll likely be revealed before he is even able to drop a W if he Qs in on you. He'll likely even be revealed before he reaches you unless he ganks when he has 2 points in Q. He won't do any damage either if he doesn't have any items. The only thing you need to worry about at this point is his ignite, which won't kill you on it's own. You can also deep ward to know when he's coming as well.

Scrimshäw12/15/2016, 4:34:03 AM1 votes

where's shaclone i want to see him rage