@Meddler, Have we admitted that Elise needs something yet?

No idea why anyone is downvoting you. Basically anyone who's played League for years will tell you: Get used to certain (your main) champions being gutted to the point that they will not be viable again until everything else in the game has been repeatedly nerfed for 2+ years. For example Diana is finally not an instant loss if you pick her, her gutting was Dec 2012. The only notable changes to her in modern times was a bug fix on her ult (the bug still occurs), a ninja nerf on her ult (eventually admitted but never documented), and her itemization being nerfed. But when everything else has been nerfed 6 times over since she was destroyed, she's suddenly not a troll pick anymore.

Then some troll will come out from under his bridge and call you an idiot claiming that X champion was viable all along and that you're just a sheep, and that the endless nerfs to everything else, the changes in items, runes, masteries, etc had nothing to do with it. This cycle of stupidity occurs like clockwork.

I think that is a perfect example of a TOP TIER champion being gutted to the level of utter garbage and that's sad considering how fun she is to play with and against.

Personally I never had any problem playing against her even when she was considered top tier because she had a clear strengths and weaknesses in her kit.

While she had a strong early game presence, her mid to late game was really really weak. At this moment she's not even relevant early game comparing to other champions. are still stronger early game than while having MUCH better late game. All of them can easily gank at lvl 3 without any problems, some of them can effectively gank even at lvl 2 ( ) for example.

As an fan, I can suggest some changes that may help her be more viable in the current jungle:

1. Why is able to switch forms much faster than while being better at literally everything?

• Reduce the CD of spider form or make it resets every single time hits the Cocoon.

2. Why don't you give her true personality? Is she a tank? - NO! Does she fits a mage role? -NO! Is she an assassin? - NO

   • Give her bonus ARMOR and MR in spider form and leave her poor AP ratios as they are so we can build her full tank and be relevant.

   (OR)

   • Increase her AP ratios so we can be relevant in late game if we build her AP. Considering that her early game is not that good atm, this change could help her a lot.

I have played 11 games with Elise. I have not won a single one.

I'm upvoting basically only for your name

thought they just nerfed till all the people with arachnophobia come back. Then they will increase her model size to 2X fed size and watch them all run away again.

wasnt there a riot art Quality control guy scared of her?

I never really understood why people hated on Elise so much. Of course she was strong and could carry games, but she was fun to play against. She is an awesome champion that was obviously gutted by Riot so that they don't have to deal with her... I never really played her, but I really miss her. Definitely preffer playing against her that Lee Sin, Shaco or fucking Gragas...

something needs to be done about her spiderlings dying in the jungle

Not entirely sure how to balance her. They say her Primary role is Mage, yet she has very few AP ratios.

If we balance her around the Jungle, I would suggest increasing the max damage on her Q against monsters. Not by a whole lot, but enough to make sure she has decent clear speed.

What she needs is a rework. She does basically everything when she's good; she needs strengths and weaknesses. Not as bad as Lee, but I still hate her.

I'm pretty sure she is slated for either a full rework or a pretty significant ability overhaul. The issue is that if they just undo her S4 nerfs she'll be oppressive again when the meta shifts away from jungle tanks.

The real issue is that the S5 jungle is really hard on squishy AP champs (except Fiddles, since he can sustain like crazy) and assassin junglers in general. Diana, Rengar, Kha'Zix, and Elise all took a big hit from where they were in S4.

how about you build ap, assassinate and/or backdoor, I don't understand why you guys want elise to provide great utility + damage by building tank, she's not a tank.

and Lissandra's passive ...

I think the obvious solution for Elise is to simply let her caster form scale from AP and her spider scale from AD. This means she can excel in different roles without worrying about overload. Here are a few example changes:

1. Rework passive to generate a spiderling on every 1 or 2 ability casts. Mage W releases spiderlings equal to the number stored. This fixes her mage wave-clear problem.

2. Add AP scaling to cocoon duration and spider W attack speed bonus.

3. Make Q scale from both AD and AP to retain form-swapping feel while downgrading overall utility.

4. Make mage Q a DOT that attracts spiderlings

5. Make W spiderlings leave behind venom puddles that slow (% scale with AP only) with a stacking dot

6. Give spider form speed and defense buffs that slightly scale off AD only

So basically what you're left with is a spider AD that can go jungle or top and can build tank or fighter/tower-killer. You could also build AP spider tank for increased utility in cocoon stun duration.

Or you could build AP sustain that gets some burst and zone control late game with a 4-spiderling W and tank-dueling potential. You can swap to spider for execute Q or the utility of rappel, but you're not really doing any damage and risk losing spiderlings you need to get kills. If you're safe, you still have a tiny boost of turret pushing potential to balance your insanely slow mage AA speed.