is riot adresing the nidaele and lucian problem

Knight SoIaire ··1 votes·713 views

ill find this weird if nobody noticed that those 2 outshine everyone in their category

nidaele as a toplaner is far more dnagerous as any splitpusher while being ranged meele sustained bursty tanky and mobile, deals mixed damage (yeah her burst combo is magic but 1k of autos she used before and botrk active is physical) has good vaveclear and resets making her an insane splitpusher basicaly she needs to be elise'd cause she is a "cougar" of all trades and she actualy outshines champs which are specialized for stuff that she does

lucian is the same, you wanted to add him a weaknes but you also added a power which outweighted it making him insanely hard to deal with

and i would like to hint that twitch's early is too bad, his late on the other hand is too strong, this usualy leads to him being unable to reach that point, he just cant compete for gold and gets starved till late

and fizz's power is allower the place, if he is supposed to be an assasin the give him some assasination combo, cause his burst has 10 sec cd max atm, his power is quite equaly distributed across all of his skills, making his ult more reliable and him more dependable on it wouldnt hurt while he would become healthier, similar to zed, andyou already stated that zed is quite healthy

it would be nice to know that you notice the issue

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Hyrum Graff2 votes

Nid has no cc and her damage is unreliable in teamfights (hard to get marks on priority targets), therefore the ONLY thing she's good at, unless she gets super fed, is splitpushing.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

thats why she splitpushes she is very good at killing towers and clearing waves if she wards and places traps correctly she can even be able to kill anyone who comes to stop her

Hyrum Graff2 votes

she is very good at killing towers and clearing wave

Well, yeah. If she were bad at these things (splitpushing), she'd be bad at everything.

if she wards and places traps correctly she can even be able to kill anyone who comes to stop her

Anyone?

Maybe a fed nid can, but so can a fed jax, or a fed trynd, or a... you get the point.

You deal with a splitpush nid the same way you deal with any splitpusher. If you have someone who can duel her and win, you send them to stop the push. if you don't, you do a strong 5man push (usually mid) and try to force a 5v4 teamfight.

If you see nid in a ranked/draft game, you make sure you have the hard engage (like vi) so you're able to force that 5v4 engage.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

Maybe a fed nid can, but so can a fed jax, or a fed trynd, or a... you get the point.

let me fix it NOT FED nida can do it , jax or tryn can do the same IF THEY GET FED ... you get the point

You deal with a splitpush nid the same way you deal with any splitpusher. If you have someone who can duel her and win, you send them to stop the push. if you don't, you do a strong 5man push (usually mid) and try to force a 5v4 teamfight.

find me someone who can duel her, ypu need at least 3ppl to stop her and you might lose 2 in the process

Hyrum Graff1 votes

find me someone who can duel her

AhriLucian Lulu Lux Orianna Pantheon Ryze Shen Anivia Annie Chogath Darius Fiddlesticks Fizz Gragas Heimerdinger Fizz Karma Kassadin Leblanc Swain Vladimir Yasuo Ziggs

Not all of these champs can duel her.

  • Some can duel her, especially if they are able to juke her spears and outplay her.
  • Some can just waveclear, making it so her splitpush is useless.
  • Anyone with a global ult can be more useful than her if a 4v4 fight breaks out.

If nid is landing every spear (her opponent can't juke/ dodge), then yeah, there aren't many who can deal with her. But we've got to assume they have some amount of skill; the game isn't balanced around bronze.

You also didn't address the other part of my post: You can run a team comp with hard engage (Vi) and force a 5v4 fight mid. Sure, let nid splitpush. Meanwhile you just won a 5v4 mid and are pushing down her inhib turret.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

Some can duel her, especially if they are able to juke her spears and outplay her.

playstyles evolve to adapt to the changes, nidaele does not throw her spears from a far, in top lane she usualy pokes with autos gets close to you and launches spear at almoust point plank to ensure a hit, the hunt does the rest allowing her to get you from 100 to 0 al lvl 2 if you are tankier lvl3 or she will just autoatack more meanin that she will always have an upper hand the guys that you proposed are fine, but nidaele kills at lvl2 or 3, you might dodge the spears but i already saw nidaeles flashing in your face just because hitting a spear at point blank 100% guarantees her a kill if you will play safe you will get maybe 10 minions in 20 min cause she will zone you like mad, she has milions of tools and all are insanely powerfull she will burst a guy who sustains, she will poke down those who she cant burst, she will outsustain those who poke i saw nidaeles i played vs nidaeles and i played as nidaele, her damage is too high, and she does not even need to build it, she will get triforce botrk and go full tank

Some can just waveclear, making it so her splitpush is useless.

those with vaveclear will be either squishy or immobile, nidaele takes easy advantage of both

Anyone with a global ult can be more useful than her if a 4v4 fight breaks out.

yes a guy who can get to the fight is more usefull than the guy who is away from the fight, unles she eats the guy who defends the turret eats the turret and walks away with full hp like nothing happened or eats another turret and then walks away

Jinxed Amulet2 votes

Nidalee is absolutely ridiculous as a top-laner. Her kit is even more overloaded than before and I have no idea why she wasn't tuned down similarly to Gragas and Maokai. Even Lulu saw some nerfs even though some might argue she shouldn't be in top-lane anyways (which I disagree with). I find Lucian to still be very strong early game, if not stronger because of how fast he can reset his dash.

Angry Monster1 votes

I think the only thing I agree with is Nid. She gets to have it all (like LEE). The only thing she really sucks at is team fighting but that is not enough of a down side. If she is a head she just blows everyone up so their is no team fighting at all.

Grag, and Mao got tunned down so quick it is not even funny. Nid? Its like anytime a champ has lee in their name riot thinks its ok to be over tuned.

Twitch is may or may not need tweeks. I really think that his mid game spike is as good as Corki and his late game is even better.

Lucain seems to be in an ok spot. His early game is not amazing and if you play it right it is possible to shut him down.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

you can easily and effectively deny twitch his power so there is not mid and late game for him lucian kinda outdamages everyone early and is insanely opressive when ahead (he is a draven likw bully but there is now way of denying him power, like you can deny draven his axes )

Angry Monster1 votes

i been playing some twitch and i have support some lucains. I really feel these are match up dependent and the support choices make or break this picks.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

every adc relies on support early

Angry Monster1 votes

true, but i meant certain combinations or certain counter picks(of supports) can have more of an effect than on other ADCs.

ArtoriusIV1 votes

TO deny Lucian, just disengae. I love picking Janna into him because it is so much harder for him to fight all of a sudden. A leona can work as well, if you counter engage with your CC.

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