Simple champions have their place

XinZhao2WinNhao··3 votes·488 views

I always feel like people are saying "Rework xx because he/she is too simple, point and click and lack complex play". but I disagree with them. I think league needs a balance between the number of complex champs like Elise and Cass and simpler champs like Warwick and Garen. Not every champion has to have 3 or 4 skillshots, point-and-click champions have their place in the game too. I think that point and click are (usually) suitable for the role of assassin and fighter, whereas skillshot champions are (usually) mages and marksmen, for example. Of course, there are also point and click marksmen and mages and skillshot assassins, and this is what makes champion diversity fun.

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Mieaz1 votes

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Mieaz1 votes

+only unskilled players will agree with this post

Critmaster Garen1 votes

the only point and click abilities that create problems are ususally ranged on a short cooldown and possibly cc attached, as they are used to repeatedly poke and can be very overbearing in lane.

turning the ability into a skillshot also doesnt have to be a nerf. in veigars case, a lot of the power budget of his q was in the fact that it was an on target ability, which was compensated by the fact that it had very short range and was very difficult to use for anything else than csing. adding a factor of unreliability to it by turning it into a skillshot, allowed riot to massively buff its range, and it can now be used as a poke ability that allows him to keep up with other similar champions, and have an easier time to follow up a stun on his e.

technically xins e is a point and click ability, garens or darius ult is one, and wukongs q. but those are either supporting their palystile (engage for xin), or are melee range, which means you can play around them by kiting.

the problem with abilies like leblancs q, or annies q are, that they can simply walk up to you and deal damage that youre not going to be able to avoid. and froma relatively safe distance at that. only very few champions are able to deal with these abilites.

on the flip side if youd just nerf the range similar to how veigas q used to have very short range, it would quickly happen that these champions just get outpoked by skillshots from a longer distance.

bottom line is, they arent fair if they have the same range as skillshots, theyre quicky usless if they have significant less range than skillshots. these abilities are usually very hard, if not impossible to balance, the way this game is structured these days.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=doEsZQut,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-06-02T22:42:27.472+0000) technically xins e is a point and click ability, garens or darius ult is one, and wukongs q. but those are either supporting their palystile (engage for xin), or are melee range, which means you can play around them by kiting.

People are asking for a rework for Xin's e to become a skillshot and I'm like "and...why does he need that?"

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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People are asking for a rework for Xin's e to become a skillshot and I'm like "and...why does he need that?"

that wouldnt even be a nerf, as he could use that to dash across walls when necessary.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=doEsZQut,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2015-06-02T23:46:23.111+0000)

that wouldnt even be a nerf, as he could use that to dash across walls when necessary.

he doesn't need that. (by the way his current e can already dash across walls) i think xin is supposed to be an easy mechanic champion with gameplay and strategic skill caps. there's gotta be those champions too. League gets super boring if every champion has 3 or 4 skillshots and has the most intensive mechanical plays. Sometimes we need button mashing champions that have easy mechanics but other difficulties such as being squishy, lacking an escape, etc. I think that champions that are good in this way are Xin, Akali. Yi, Katarina, Talon and many other assassins. People like to QQ about them being easy noob pwners, but I think that those champions actually do have a high or at least medium skill cap even if their skill floor is low.

We actually even need to have newbie friendly champions that have low skill floors and low skill caps like Garen, Annie and Warwick. Those champions have a role in the game too

in general I think most dashes and blinks being point and click is okay (with the exception of Vi's and Zed, but they are balanced around their dash being a skillshot). I think it's also okay to have more melee champions with point and click abilities because needing to go into melee range is already part of their skillcap and if you give them skillshots on top of it, most of the time, unless the champion has been balanced for that already, it's just gonna make them not worth playing

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