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Please show all the chat logs of everyone in the ban feedback

XinZhao2WinNhao·8/24/2016, 6:02:27 PM·16 votes·1,113 views

First of all, I'm not banned. It just came to my attention after reading a few threads posted by people who's actually been banned. They always ask "is my ban justified" and the thing is, from the chat logs they post, I don't think many people can tell, because there's no context.

But I think that there's a very big difference between having a toxic Teemo using racist slurs against the Heim, and the Heim saying "report Teemo pls" and having Teemo just be bad at the game and Heim saying "report Teemo pls".

Someone who says "report Renekton for no skins" as a friendly joke in the early game is different from the whole team complaining about how skins are a sign of skills and seeing Renekton without a skin makes them believe that he has less skills.

Also, certain phrases can be used as both a joke and an insult and its purpose depends on the context. For example if someone said "lol thanks" after getting a kill, and you say "lol stay bronze bro" it's probably a joke. Meanwhile if there is a player on the team trying their best and still not doing very well, and you tell them to "stay bronze bro" it's an insult.

Clarification: I don't encourage being toxic in response to toxicity. I just believe that it's a mitigating circumstance that should result in a lower punishment based on context. There should still be a punishment or at least a warning for 1st offenses. I also believe that no matter what the case is, showing everyone's chat logs will either do nothing to the current case or help make a better judgment, but never hurt. I'm not saying "make it ok to respond to toxicity with more toxicity."

34 Comments

SmokedAlmonds8/24/2016, 6:21:05 PM3 votes

I have been reading and responding to threads like that for years. Only a handful are ambiguous. It isn't uncommon for some statements in a given chat log to be ambiguous, but the logs as a whole almost never are.

When people are talking about context they are almost always just spitting out excuses. Seeing the other people's chat logs is just a distraction that feeds into the common excuses like "he started it" or "he was worse than me". Having your own chat logs forces people to see their own behavior. If someone thinks the context of the other chat changed the meaning of what they said to something acceptable they can always submit a support ticket to get it reviewed.

Sarutobi8/24/2016, 6:23:32 PM3 votes

But at the end of the day you are responsible for your actions. Remember that I'm sure it does take into account "jokes" especially since I've never seen someones chatlog where the only "bad thing" they could have possibly said would have been Report for no skins. I mean context is not needed for things like kill yourself, or using racist/homophobic slurs which are generally what people get reported and eventually ban for. But at the end of the day its all on you!

Morality Coach8/24/2016, 7:49:36 PM1 votes

It's irrelevant, if you can't figure out how to be toxic without setting off the Tribunal AI then you're too dumb to play this game anyway.

Astôlfo8/24/2016, 8:46:27 PM1 votes

Context is irrelevant. One is responsible for their own actions and no others. One also always has full physical control of what they type or do. If they chose to act incorrectly, they get punished. Simple as that. End of story.

TrulyBland8/25/2016, 11:10:24 PM1 votes

I would agree if these chatlogs were meant to be judged by others. Ultimately, those logs are sent to the punished player to show them what they did wrong. And if you attempt something like that, you need to deliver densely compressed information. It might sound stupid, but given that probably only few people really read those logs carefully, you need to basically throw what they did wrong right in their face the moment the logs pop up. And given that all of this isn't done manually, your best chance of doing so is only having the logs of the punished player. It also helps stressing the point that for some insults, context hardly matters, and that what other people say is no justification for retaliation.

If you think about it, only a minority of players that gets punished ever even comes to the forums to seek advice, which means worst case they don't care either way, or best case (which is what I actually believe) the current solution works well enough for the majority of players, when it comes to showing them why they were punished.

I suppose it would be nice if there was some additional option to get the full logs, just so people on the forums can more easily judge logs (and thus can give better advice for the few that seek it), but I also believe priority number one should be showing people what they did wrong in the most poignant way possible.