From Riot: When Thinking About Making Older Champions Feel Better

Winterkill··3 votes·2,841 views

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I've been following this new live updates patch thing for a week now. I have to say I'm impressed but also very disappointed that they treat every champion the same, knowing there are problems with existing champions. From just watching a week now, this balance and update team seem to care more about QOL changes over making specific champions feel better. Fat fingering a +5 on someones kit where the kit is the problem, is not as successful as you think. You're inevitably putting off work on a champion rather than addressing the core issues.

Karma - Karma's lack of a gameplay identity, skill expression with Mantra, and unique gameplay is her real problem. Riot Games keeps saying this as well and they do nothing about it. Riot Games keeps numbers buffing the champion and touching her basic abilities. Q was already buffed in damage, the slow was already increased, the splash damage was touched, and more. E was already nerfed and buffed with the shield duration, the speed increase, and the Mantra E was buffed and nerfed because it was way to strong. All of this was already done, with Riot knowing that there are problems with her kit. Almost 7 years have gone by with zero work actually being done about Karma's problems and now there are 3 communities of Karma mains at arms with each other. This is Riot's fault because numbers buffing a champion and giving QOL changes is not QOL changes or making her better, it's you putting off work that really needs to be done to make her better.

Quinn - No one liked the changes and they don't like the ULT changes. Also, players want her back as an ADC but Riot wants her toplane. Riot gave her this new mechanic with her ULT but they didn't actually make the champion better. The community that plays her doesn't like her. Riot thinks this is a more successful approach to Quinn but the mains that will spend money on her and actually play her, don't like the changes.


There are more champions Riot has worked on and done the same thing. Riot Game Developers to say they value QOL changes on champions rather than new mechanics . . . . yeah they are right. There are certain champions that benefit from QOL while others don't. Putting a QOL change on a champion to put off doing actual work on problem champions, is not the answer at all. They know some of these champions have actual problems that were created by Riot's own work ethic. Fix the problems instead of saying something is a QOL change . . . . . because it looks like a coverup and not a QOL change.

11 Comments

The Ecdysiast2 votes

That's such a loaded question. We obviously like GOOD new mechanics just as much as we like QoL changes. It's just that so often new mechanics end up being poorly thought out and poorly executed.

Winterkill2 votes

Yep because they change the champion's entire playstyle. There are champions that benefit from a QOL just as much as there are champions that could benefit from having at least a new mechanic or ability in their kit. In the past Developers put new mechanics on champions where it didn't belong. There are also champions that needed new mechanics and benefited from it . . . because they needed it. Ezreal and Lissandra are perfect examples of this. There are champions that are an exception to this rule, but to say . . . . . every champions is getting a QOL change over a new mechanic . . . when they know there are champions with these problems . . . . is absurd.

The Ecdysiast2 votes

You summed it up nicely. Yeah, sometimes we need QoL changes and sometimes we need a new mechanic. It's always champion-specific.

Quinn didn't really need the new MS mechanic. It would've been nicer to give her more ways to apply her mark so her single-target damage could be more consistent.

Someone like Annie, on the other hand, could do with something like a dash on her E just so she can get in range to ult without needing flash every time.

Hethalean1 votes

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Someone like Annie, on the other hand, could do with something like a dash on her E just so she can get in range to ult without needing flash every time.

I would think that Annie would then have to sacrifice something. That's part of her 'weakness' for the instant ult stun + ferocious pet that lives if she dies.

Not every champion needs a way to get around weaknesses for it's kit. If you always have a way to get around them, what's the point of the weakness? What do you have to play around when facing that champion?

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Oh, no, I think on top of a dash she'd also need Tibbers to actually have a cast time instead of being instant. Then she'd cover her most detrimental weakness but allow the opponent at least a little time to react. An animation like having plush Tibbers appear at the cast location and then grow into regular Tibbers 0.2s later.

I just don't think it's fair to have a champion's weakness linked to the cooldown of a summoner spell.

Hethalean1 votes

well i really hate how this game is going down "Everyone has almost unlimited mobility" like I dread every new thing they come out with as i know it's going to be horrible to face, and only fun to play.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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well i really hate how this game is going down "Everyone has almost unlimited mobility" like I dread every new thing they come out with as i know it's going to be horrible to face, and only fun to play.

How is one dash "unlimited mobility"?

And giving everyone some mobility would just make the game more fun overall. Yeah, it sucks for the outdated champs who don't have it, but give it to them too.

Moody P1 votes

I can't think of a single time an older champion has come out of Riots "touchups" being better

Hethalean1 votes

WW?

Moody P1 votes

that was an overhaul not a touchup

Tr4shB4NSYST3M1 votes

I would call the ezreal W change/ult change a "touch up" and imo it solidified his identity as a poke champ more so.

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