@Riot, whatever happened to "Enticing Mordekaiser into a duo lane"?

Malicious Metal··30 votes·2,247 views

You just started to remove the things that made him consider going duo bot bit by bit. His heal's becoming way weaker, which is actually a good change but you removed the overlapping Mechanic of his harvester of sorrow, making it function like a bloody normal AoE damage field that's conditional as hell. Does that mean you're slowly starting to realize that you can't possibly balance him according to bot lane since it not only sucks the fun out of the game for the opposing duo laners but he has to be disgustingly broken to even go toe to toe with ranged carries. Shouldn't juggernauts be weak to ranged harass and getting kited by said champions? Besides, the way this whole Mordekaiser rework's progressing I get the feeling that it won't end well for the Master of Metal if you try to balance him according to his bot lane gimmick and NOT as a champion. Let people decide where to bloody play him and try making him less of a pain to deal with during laning phase, because let's be honest. His teamfighting and his skirmishes are NOT a problem. Heck, he's great in those situations and hella fun to play without being completely unfun to deal with.

He has so much potential to be the healthiest juggernaut since he completely fulfills the goal of a really slow, lumbering damage dealer, a real Heavy Metal Juggernaut. He's got so much damage and tankiness but suffers A lot from being kited/cc'ed even more so than the other juggernauts currently running rampart. If you decide to balance him as a champion he'll be able to roll bot, mid, top and maybe even jungle without having to be such a gimmicky duo laner who sucks the fun out of at LEAST two people. Not wanting to sound rude but you failed at compelling him to go bot by slowly reducing the benefits of being in a duo lane as well as making him go toe to toe with enemy carries WITHOUT relying on a gimmick and broken stats to succeed.

32 Comments

Mordepool24 votes

Let's be. Clear denying any champ a basic ability unless you play riots predetermined role Is not enticement. Period.
Getting a gimpy W back for sololane doesn't fix anything. its amazing how hard the community had to fight to get the W back.

And all that's done is bring another round of nerfs to solo morde. (The only morde) Clearly a bandaid fix on the gangrenous rework that never should have happened.
I tried to give certainlyT a chance but ultimately he's broken morde and he won't be fixed. Unless someone with Malicious Metals level of love and care are poured into a rework.

SeductiveGrandpa1 votes

Eh, they'll come back to him later, I mean they cant keep a champ like this forever, ATM I just want that Poppy rework

Mordepool7 votes

After this batch of reworks I'm hopefully pessimistic

Retillin4 votes

You do? I'm scared for it. These last few patches have been bad. Yes the champions are getting play, but that is because they are doing more damage/tanking than others. So they are OP by their numbers. Once they get nerfed (as we are seeing with Gangplank) they will end up where they were before the reworks. Ignored.

SeductiveGrandpa1 votes

Well, she sees absolutely zero play anyway so if this one fails, its not like anything will change with her pick-rate.

lostbob1172 votes

Meanwhile Leona's passive, Thresh's W, Kalista's W passive and ult.

Matezoide13 votes

Soon they will remove the Exp Passive and allow W to have a DoT when he is alone.

Yessss....excellent

Raid Boss Morde4 votes

That's exactly what we've ALL wanted...

Big Lincoln10 votes

i find it weird that he's forced to lane vs ADCs when he succeeds the most in teamfights by punching the shit out of the front line

and that they removed something actually kind of interesting about his W instead of the actual problem with it

Malicious Metal8 votes

They thought making him be a duo laner might make him less healthy than his pre-rework self. Only now he pisses off two people instead of one. Hooray! I guess with the shield gain nerf and his weaker E he might not be as annoying as he was if they decide him to let him be a solo laner again.

Count Zubat5 votes

If Rito doesn't remove that exp passive, I feel like Morde will be just nerfed over and over and over again, paying for this gimmick with his other strengths like Kassadin paying with everything in his kit for having ult. And then, just like with Kassadin, they are going to nerf the thing he is being nerfed for in the first place. Just take this crap away, admit that trying to force Morde bot lane is a fail and not possible to properly balance and start working around solo/jungle Morde to be healthy and balanced. I think this whole rework was like "Morde is unhealthy as solo laner, so let's make him unhealthy duo laner instead, huehuehue", just wtf?! I'm not saying trying to make melee champ be playable in bot lane as a carry is a bad idea. But:

  1. It shouldn't be made by giving a champion an unfair gimmick that gives level advantage: having 2 levels more than opponent is huge advantage in early game.
  2. It should be done on a completely new champion, not the already existing one that has his own identity and who's kit is not properly adapted for such a job. It's sad how Garen, Darius and Skarner reworks were tweaks and additions to their kit to help them do they job properly and didn't touch anything in their past identity, while Morde rework made his main problems even bigger and forced him where he doesn't belong with stupid, completely unfair and broken design-wise gimmick.
Tsugaga5 votes

Changing Morde to be duo lane focused was just a bad idea and degrading. Morde is beast, a monster, and the Master of Metal. A duo lane is way beneath him. Morde having utility just takes more and more from his destructive power and awesomeness.

JedenVojak3 votes

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Shouldn't juggernauts be weak to ranged harass and getting kited by said champions?

God I hope not. Getting kited is the worst thing in the game bar none - Riot really should have instituted turn speed.

He has so much potential to be the healthiest juggernaut since he completely fulfills the goal of a really slow, lumbering damage dealer, a real Heavy Metal Juggernaut. He's got so much damage and tankiness but suffers A lot from being kited/cc'ed even more so than the other juggernauts currently running rampart.

I think pre-rework Mordekaiser was better at that, since he was tankier, and had a better range of covereage with his attacks - they were all AOE except for his ult, even his Q. His damage is too single target focused and much too slow to get out now.

Retillin1 votes

I disagree 100% with turn speed. That is what makes this game so much different than DotA2.

And juggernauts SHOULD be weak vs getting kited. The problem is, there is SO much cc in the game that it has become an arms race.

JedenVojak3 votes

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And juggernauts SHOULD be weak vs getting kited. The problem is, there is SO much cc in the game that it has become an arms race.

This is exactly the problem though - ranged champions have so many CC's and escapes, that a "juggernaut" has very narrow windows of opportunity vs them. They either have to kill them instantly or they get kited to death and die; neither case is particularly fun.

Retillin2 votes

Yeah, like I said it's an arms race. For each cc that is released, there is a new counter. Every "slow" champion, there is new items to cover that up. Ect... It just seems like at times Riot doesn't look at the macro issues of the game, and instead focus on micro.

Countermander3 votes

Morde, a mage fighter, as an ADC not duo laner.

I first thought it was a joke. It came true.

My opinions of Rito have never been so low. Hit new bottom after they deleted the ONE. SECOND. silence on Talon.

What is it, Skarner's rework is like the, 3rd one he's receiving? I suggest Rito take a change of water in its tanks, because those fish you got in there does nothing but stir the tanks dirty... and get new fish too....

Stephenizgod3 votes

Honestly these gimmicks and whatnot should have been a new champion, i actually like a lot of the mechanics they added. This sort of ruined Morde's identity though and now he is too OP in bot lane and useless everywhere else instead of just really annoying Top/Mid lane. The new Q is pretty funny though i mean its kind of hard not to like it, the heal on the W was a really nice addition but i would like for the metal shards to come back, the new E well i hate it... i understand why it was nerfed, but it was seriously one of my favorite abilities in the game lol. The ultimate on Dragon was funny the first couple times but i would totally trade it for like more damage on it or more healing or hell even a stronger/longer ghost.

Eh overall he is less fun to play then he was before, and probably even less fun to play against, at least in bot lane. Having said all that im still not sure as to whether i like the new upcoming changes, im going to wait until i actually play to jump to conclusions, but currently (just based off what i know of his kit) im not sure they are going to be helpful or useful.

KingWanahakalugi2 votes

So good to hear your daily whine and complain thread Malicious. Especially when you said during our last conversation "everything that needs to be said has been said". Great to see you're still ranting on then.

Matezoide6 votes

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So good to hear your daily whine and complain thread Malicious. Especially when you said during our last conversation "everything that needs to be said has been said". Great to see you're still ranting on then.

#NeverForget

#NeverForgive

(Yes i know i am not him. Shaddup)

Malicious Metal7 votes

It's something new actually since I've noticed them eliminating the juicy bits about DuoKaiser, making me curious why they're actually doing this and what they're planning.

Silents4292 votes

since it not only sucks the fun out of the game for the opposing duo laners

Gonna just tackle this aspect, but bot lane is the most boring place I have ever had the misfortune of playing. I recently pick up support and ADC more for the practice, but my god. It's so damn boring, I just feel like everything is predictable and safe during this point, nothing feels unique who is picked.

But then, I go against Mordekaiser, and my god this was the most intense time I have ever had, I was support Nautilus, with my ADC Morde, Against another Morde and Maokai, my bot lane consisted of only melee champions! It was the most epic battles ever that required me and maokai to time our abilities properly with our ADC to win the actual fights.

I actually felt invested in the fights and got to the edge of my chair to pay attention now!

When I played Ashe against a support Morde and Lucian, Well Morde did poorly, he didn't have anyone to keep targets within range for killing, but dodging Lucian and Morde was still a breath of fresh air for the dull bot lane.

So no, I really don't think you can say it sucks the fun out of the game, it's been a great change of pace, and if Riot can get Mordekaiser in a good spot it will be a wonderful change for the game.

MealReadytoEat1 votes

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Gonna just tackle this aspect, but bot lane is the most boring place I have ever had the misfortune of playing. I recently pick up support and ADC more for the practice, but my god. It's so damn boring, I just feel like everything is predictable and safe during this point, nothing feels unique who is picked.

But then, I go against Mordekaiser, and my god this was the most intense time I have ever had, I was support Nautilus, with my ADC Morde, Against another Morde and Maokai, my bot lane consisted of only melee champions! It was the most epic battles ever that required me and maokai to time our abilities properly with our ADC to win the actual fights.

I actually felt invested in the fights and got to the edge of my chair to pay attention now!

When I played Ashe against a support Morde and Lucian, Well Morde did poorly, he didn't have anyone to keep targets within range for killing, but dodging Lucian and Morde was still a breath of fresh air for the dull bot lane.

So no, I really don't think you can say it sucks the fun out of the game, it's been a great change of pace, and if Riot can get Mordekaiser in a good spot it will be a wonderful change for the game.

Well said. I'm so sick of how stagnant bot lane is, and Morde is a welcome change.

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

this may be slightly less of an issue, but can we at least get some metal shards spinning around for harvester of sorrow as well? Now that I'm looking at the picture closer it shows metal shards in it and from what I saw, it's just a ghostly blue circle in game. it's "master of METAL" riot, not "master of ghosts and ghost accesories".

Matezoide3 votes

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this may be slightly less of an issue, but can we at least get some metal shards spinning around for harvester of sorrow as well? Now that I'm looking at the picture closer it shows metal shards in it and from what I saw, it's just a ghostly blue circle in game. it's "master of METAL" riot, not "master of ghosts and ghost accesories".

They got rid of his Metal Effects in general. Passive became a force-field, Q doesnt have metal shards anymore (Since they removed the AoE) and E became a ghost fart.

Mordekaiser needs a new title.

Hugify1 votes

I think the dragon's stats should be considered more than mordekaiser's.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

"Riot buff his solo lane and nerf his duo lane. Morde shouldnt go botlane at all tbh!"

Riot: OK

"What the fuck riot dont nerf duo lane!"

Dextix LT1 votes

Did you read this thread?

cagaman2 votes

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"Riot buff his solo lane and nerf his duo lane. Morde shouldnt go botlane at all tbh!"

Riot: OK

"What the fuck riot dont nerf duo lane!"

I think everybody is fine with them nerfing bot lane, no morde main wants to go bot anyways we actually want morde bot not to be good so ppl just forget about it but where are the buffs to solo?

Stephenizgod3 votes

Except they didnt buff Solokaiser, they gave him his W back then nerfed him as compensation. Now we have this shoddy Duokaiser and a still bad Solokaiser.

Rkane1 votes

Hey, do what they have done for Viktor or Khazix , give him an option on how his W works, either by an evolution or an item he must have. I love Mordekaiser , having an art commission done to that effect. This effect fits (ish) with what he is but is delivered poorly. I trust it will be worked out in time.

Perhaps some other alternatives...

  1. His AoE instead centers on him and for every kill in the zone (which grows per level) gives him a small temp buff, your sickness...sustains him.
  2. His AoE causes 'burn' and any ally spell that targets them (like heals and buffs) the burn spreads to them, misery loves company.
  3. AoE, Enemies lose hp based on how much hp is already missing. If they are Grievously Wounded, nearby allies heal a bit. He brings with him great suffering
  4. Constant effect. ALL players take damage and sustain Morde. Minion deaths (either side) have a chance to respawn as a ghost (like Child of the Grave) that is buffed by Mordes AoE, bringing affliction forever.
  5. AoE, enemy heals, cleanses and debuffs are less effective AND are delayed for a flicker of a second, based on level. Morde is healed a fraction of any heals done this way and a GREAT amount if the delay caused the enemy death. Which I admit, is delightfully...painful

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