Why does Master Yi have a tanks kit but a marksmen's damage?

Unreformed Shaco·Jun 13, 2017·1 votes·1,330 views

Q > High damage iframe that deals critical damage. W > 70% damage reduction and heal. E> True damage steroid R > CC immunity and Attack speed.

I really couldn't give a rats ass about Yi, just confused why his kit is split into two polar roles.

Other melee carries don't get anywhere near as much defense (Panth gets 1 auto blocked, Yasuo gets shield and Windwall) so why does Yi?

EDIT: Psuedotank, not a tank. A tank is defined by how much damage they can soak, not by how much CC they provide.

44 Comments

RalanrJun 13, 20179 votes

...what?

No, seriously, what? Having a few defensive abilities among highly offensive ones does not make a tank kit at all.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Being able to absorb large amounts of damage makes a tank.

ShadòwJun 16, 20171 votes

play Yi, go in your next game, run straight into the enemy team and tell me how long you did survive

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Play anyone and walk into the enemy and watch yourself get blown up.

However, in 1v1 or 2v1, he can take a lot of damage without suffering.

Yi isn't a teamfighter.

ShadòwJun 17, 20171 votes

he can't, stop shitposting.

his kit is, like every Assassins kit, supposed to dodge and avoid Damage, but he can't just free soak it up. he has his W, but even that immobilizes him and can easily be interrupted.

And guess what.. Tanks are teamfighters. So saying Yi isn't a teamfighter already says everything that he doesn't have the kit of a tank.

Unreformed ShacoJun 17, 20171 votes

He is a pseudotank.

Watch Zed or Talon build item 3742 item 3748 and be useless. His E and Double-Strike allow him to build 1-2 attack speed items and then purely tanky, unlike other assassins who rely on damage items.

I would agree that he would be purely an assassin if he had either Q or W, but both of them changes it.

The weakness of W is completely negated by Q, and the weakness of Q is completely negated by W.

ShadòwJun 17, 20171 votes

he doesn't even build that anymore.

Assassins building tank has been a problem for a while now, but they fixed that mostly by putting power into scalings instead of base stats.

When you look at probuilds you can see the tankiest stuff build on him is item 3053 and item 3022 , and even these don't get build every time.

Unreformed ShacoJun 17, 20171 votes

Assassins building tank has been a problem for a while now, but they fixed that mostly by putting power into scalings instead of base stats.

Didn't work for Yi.

No one uses Q for damage, its purely for gapclose/iframe W is only used for damage reduction. E is true damage on hit, so he relies more on attack speed than the piss poor 25% bonus AD scaling. R has no scaling.

He synergizes so well with Attack speed that he can shred most people with red bloodrazor and BotRK, leaving him the option to build large amounts of health. He doesn't need to build armor/MR to become tanky, because he has damage reduction.

ShadòwJun 17, 20171 votes

because his main Damage comes from his auto attacks and not from his abilities.

like i said, no pro builds tank yi anymore and I also don't see it anymore in my games cause it's shit.

He can maybe afford some semi tank items, but else he loses too much Damage on his autos and can be shut down too easlily.

RalanrJun 16, 20171 votes

So everyone with a bloodthirster is a tank?

No. Just no.

Unreformed ShacoJun 17, 20171 votes

Where did I say that you illiterate?

Yi splitpushes. Send someone back and he has enough damage to deal with them. If a high source of damage is incoming (usually telegraphed in LoL), he will tap W and then engage. If CC is incoming, he dodges it with Alpha.

Any decent player doesn't use those abilities willy-nilly, they are purely reactionary.

RalanrJun 17, 20171 votes

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Where did I say that you illiterate?

Right here.

Being able to absorb large amounts of damage makes a tank.

Buying a item 3072 would allow you to absorb a large amount of damage through sustain.

Unreformed ShacoJun 17, 20171 votes

You're still vulnerable to burst, albeit poorly, but you can.

You'd have been better off picking Death's Dance.

Emerald FangJun 13, 20175 votes

Yi's R isn't a tank feature... also it's SLOW immunity meaning he can be hit by any other CC.

His W is the only defensive thing he has.

Unreformed ShacoJun 13, 20171 votes

His Q is a defensive.

Emerald FangJun 13, 20171 votes

Yes but all assassins have some sort of defensive mechanic. Zed has ult, fizz has E, Talon has E and ult, akali has W and ult (if you're good enough), ekko has w and ult, katarina has E.

Yi's W isn't really reliable in teamfights since it's interrupted by CC. And when have you seen a Yi start channeling and actually survive in the middle of a fight? 70% sounds like a lot but if he's under tower or getting beat on by 3-4 enemies he is going down.

He's a very strong champion in low ELO and basically a pick or ban in bronze because nobody knows how to stomp him early so he doesn't get fed. He's a weak champion if played around.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Teamfighitng on Yi.

nice joke.

Samura YukisunaJun 13, 20174 votes

That's not a tank's kit... He provides no CC, he does not have CC immunity or any sort of shield and he cannot innately absorb damage and survive it.

He's an assassin that synergizes with bruiser items. That doesnt make him a tank, it makes him a bruiser.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Cannot absorb damage?

70% on demand mitigation and a low cd iframe.

You can absorb incredibly high amounts of damage if used correctly.

Samura YukisunaJun 17, 20171 votes

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Cannot absorb damage?

70% on demand mitigation and a low cd iframe.

You can absorb incredibly high amounts of damage if used correctly.

All tanks are capable of absorbing damage in all situations. If the enemy team has ANY form of suppression, wether it be roots, stuns, silences or interrupts, his damage reduction is put on a 20 to 30 second cooldown.

ZT XperimentorJun 13, 20172 votes

There was a time when mage-yi was a thing, and quite the problem.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

It was better than current state Yi.

AP Yi didn't gain flat reduction, he gained 300 Armor/MR, which meant Void/LW/BC would still be effective.

420 gramsJun 13, 20172 votes

Have you ever played a tank?

Silly NeekoJun 13, 20171 votes

Bork current HP chunking, Blood Razor max health chunking, and he also does a mix of true damage. Feel free to try and out sustain that. You just survive a little longer than your allies, and if any of them are still alive/around you, then the Yi is not doing it right.

420 gramsJun 13, 20173 votes

Builds no armor, has no cc in his kit, is very mobile. Seems like the opposite of every tank to me.

Silly NeekoJun 13, 20171 votes

I never claimed he was a tank. I just find him annoying and figured you were claiming a tank was his counter same as most people. Seen that same exact comment on other threads about Yi being annoying and explained how he easily messes up tanks.

He does get semi tanky though, often times i see his build being Blood Razor, Bork, Deadman Plate, Visage, Titanic Hydra, and boots if he wants or a Blood Thirster.

420 gramsJun 13, 20171 votes

Who would ever say a dps fighter is countered by a tank? He's countered by cc and burst.

Silly NeekoJun 13, 20171 votes

Oh trust me, you would be surprised how many times it is said.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

LOL countered by CC and burst? His kit counters CC and burst.

Burst incoming W for instant 70% reduction. Burst is over, Yi lives on 99.999999%

CC incoming Oh look, I press Q CC now on cd, Yi remains uncontrolled.

Any Yi player worth a damn only uses W/Q to dodge/mitigate the two things that apparently counter him.

Silly NeekoJun 13, 20172 votes

Because he is supposed to be a high damage, easy jungler for beginners. Unfortunately this means if someone has a clue of how to use Q to tower reset, or dodge a CC, they think they are a god. They can eventually just 1v5 pentakill and pretty much, and annoy people easier than Yasuo does.

He has been a champion i loath for ages, more than Jax and Xin Xhao who are just lower on that list.

Problem is that the Yi almost always has people who have no clue how to play against them, or if im their only threat.... They target me because i am normally support. It truely is annoying but i deal with it by not playing him ever. Apart from a total of 3 times. All 3 times, after i got my ulti, i beat whoever it was that was beating me previously.... Even if they were 3/0 or 5/0 with me as that many deaths.

This was also before i utilized the Q with any kind of decency.

A main problem with him currently is how obsurdly well he uses Bloodrazor and Bork.

EffluentJun 13, 20172 votes

Just to be clear, his R is not CC immunity. It's slow-immune. CC is the only real way to control him--especially when he has snowballed. If you see someone pick Yi on the enemy team, and your team does not choose champions with CC, then you're really making it hard for yourself. CC wins games.

SEKAIJun 13, 20172 votes

MasterYi throws arms in the air "So I have a HoT (heal over time) that I have to channel to use and be half dead to get anything out of it beyond a damage block. Sure it's good but it's also on a fixed 35 sec CD(!!). And by merely having it this guy calls me a tank's kit."

MasterYi "And it's not like I have ANY CC in my kit, you know, the first step to even be considered to be potentially a tank?"

MasterYi "And somehow my damage isn't justified? It's not even damage, it's just a scaling, and this is not okay?? Geeeeeezuz"

Fiora Irelia Kayle Tryndamere XinZhao "Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha"

Fizz "Hahahahahahahahaha... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA cough cough"

MasterYi "Speaking of our "tank"... And my dude, that's laughing a bit too hard."

Fizz "He says your dodge makes you a tank, too! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL_ cough_"

MasterYi "NANI ??????!!!!!!!!!!!"

Meep ManJun 13, 20171 votes

Because Yi's can be interrupted by CC.

Unreformed ShacoJun 13, 20171 votes

Just like 99% of the spells in the game.

Meep ManJun 13, 20171 votes

Name some other defensive steroids that stop working if the user gets hit by CC.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Having your 70% mitigation interrupted by CC isn't a problem when you have a low CD i-frame that is used to dodge said CD.

Most decent Yi players just tap meditate, not for heal, but for the needed reduction when a high threat skill comes in.

Alex h8721Jun 13, 20171 votes

Yi passive- most similar to lucian passive. Q- multi-target, gapcloser, as a melee carry (non-juggernaut) he needs this, W- heal w/ damage reduction (70% is rank 5 and this is usually maxed last) this is similar to GP oranges but can be interupted by cc, E- AD/true damage steroid similar to irelia hiten style, ult- AS/MS steroid w/ slow immunity NOT CC IMMUNITY- A more selfish version of sivir ult.

So idk where you are getting "Tank kit" except from the interruptible defensive steroid on W but yi has a skirmisher/melee adc kit through and through

Commando YiJun 16, 20171 votes

meditate is the weakest defensive ability amongst all melee carries

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Not when combined with his Q. He can avoid the CC to cancel meditate with Q, and just tank the burst with W. 70% damage mitigation on demand is ludicrous.

JorenciceJun 16, 20171 votes

I've never once seen a yi allowed to meditate for more than a 1 second in a team fight.

Them he dies. Cuz he stopped split pushing.

Unreformed ShacoJun 17, 20171 votes

Exactly. He doesn't teamfight.

He will just split push.

If you send 1-2 people back, he can dodge or mitigation most of their kit.

They won't use W until a high damage skill is incoming, and they won't use Q until CC is incoming.

SasogwaJun 16, 20171 votes

Passive is basically a steroid synergizing with attack speed => synergy with offensive items Q is a dodging tool reduced by attack speed, that is independent on how tanky you are : high synergy with attack speed => synergy with offensive items W is a flat health regen with % damage reduction, amplified by how low health you are : Anti-synergy with health builds, great to limitate burst so great for.. squishy builds. E is a true damage steroid on-hit, scaling with AD and since it's on-hit, naturally with attack speed : synergy with offensive items R is literally THE multiplying steroid, granting additional attack speed which naturally synergizes with AD, on-hit, crit and armor pen => synergy with offensive items once again.

LITERALLY NOTHING IN YI'S KIT IS SYNERGISTIC WITH TANKY ITEMS.

If anything, Yi can have enough damage with highly synergistic items with his kit : item 3153 item 3124 for instance as a core damage, and then build tanky to survive.

BUT HE HAS NO TANK RATIOS OR TANK KIT WHATSOEVER. 0 CC 0 health ratio 0 resist ratio 0 base damage, all of his damage is basically scaling, his Q damage is pathetic and on high cooldown without attack speed. He's ENTIRELY reliant on autoattacks that need.. offensive itemization to scale.

Unreformed ShacoJun 16, 20171 votes

Playing Mister Yi..

"Oh look, CC incoming" Q "Oh look, burst incoming" W

Needs offensive items? Most Yi players build two offensive items item 3153 item 1419 . Then the rest is tanky damage items like item 3748 , item 3742 item 3156 .

He isn't threatened by burst, he isn't hugely threatened by CC in 1v1/2v1 situations. He is a psuedotank.

Sir FuzziJun 17, 20171 votes

MASTER YI IS WEAK TO STUNS MASTER YI IS WEAK TO STUNS MASTER YI IS WEAK TO STUNS

SERIOUSLY MASTER YI IS HORRIBLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO STUNS AND RELIES ON SUSTAINED DAMAGE no seriously if you're letting him get good Qs and Ws it's your own fault for picking badly into him

EDIT: read the user. never mind