I wish Olaf's "rework" got even half the attention of the Cassiopea rework.

InSingedWeTrust·Dec 14, 2014·58 votes·4,123 views

Yet another champion Riot refuses to touch, despite completely ruining them.

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Penguin EclipseDec 14, 201416 votes

Well despite all the attention she is getting she is arguably still in a worse state than Olaf.

Serpents EmbraceDec 14, 201411 votes

Definitely agreed.

At least Olaf tried to preserve the type of champion he was before they messed with him, even if they didn't accomplish anything with him.

KingsgraveDec 14, 20142 votes

[{quoted}](name=Serpents Embrace,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dZ4BAMJE,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2014-12-14T05:04:14.326+0000) Definitely agreed.

At least Olaf tried to preserve the type of champion he was before they messed with him, even if they didn't accomplish anything with him.

Not really. They forcefully made him play more like a fighter when in reality he was more on the tank side of things. They focused way too much on his AS and not enough on anything else.

Kobila2000Dec 14, 20143 votes

He has no cc to do anything with aside from his axes. Making him a tank would make him really boring to play.

Angry MonsterDec 14, 20144 votes

The fact that olaf is just useless in team fights currently is interesting?

Kobila2000Dec 14, 20142 votes

Keyword "currently". Being in a bad state right now doesn't mean he should become a tank. Does his ult look like the ult of a tank? He'll deny all the cc and get in your face and then proceed to, what, tap you on the shoulder because he doesn't have any damage to be a threat?

AbyssionKnightDec 14, 201411 votes

At least he got touched. Yorick has been sitting in the toxic pool of obscurity almost since his release 3 years ago.

ThatAutofillSuppDec 14, 20142 votes

Ik that feel bruh. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffc07.deviantart.net%2Ffs71%2Ff%2F2011%2F220%2F6%2F4%2Fdepressed_galio_by_uunimod-d45uxk8.png&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425

ProfDrDeathDec 14, 201421 votes

Patch 4.21:

Idol of Durand no longer affected by Tenacity.

Knight SoIaire Dec 14, 20142 votes

because some guy uncovered that ppl with some tenacity can actualy walk out of his ult before it detonates and threw it in riots face

ProfDrDeathDec 14, 20145 votes

You can't really say that it was so much of a jump...

I Solo TowersDec 14, 20142 votes

Yet he almost always has had a super high win rate.

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

at least yorick is strong

Ge0rgy0Dec 14, 20144 votes

Yorick is actually pretty strong right now. He is one of the few tops I can first pick in a Plat game and know I am going to win the lane. His mid game is actually better than his early game and he really doesn't start to fall off until about 40 minutes in.

Girl PeeDec 15, 20141 votes

I heard a while ago they were fiddling with Yorick, but nothing concrete yet. Patience

WullfDec 15, 20141 votes

that was 3 years ago?... damn I feel old.

Social Justice 1Dec 14, 20148 votes

Have you tried applying skill? I know Olaf is a bruiser, but consider it

CerbearusDec 14, 201418 votes

Low mobility(No dashes and no speed boosts outside of summoner 6 summoner 4 ). His only CC is a skillshot which applies a very weak slow. Very Very easily kited, and if he ults, you don't even need to kite him anymore because he loses his bonus resistances and dies instantly to a light breeze.

Good sustain and good damage but both require auto attacking and he can't do that because he can't get to anyone.

He was playable when Sivir was good because she gave him enough movespeed to actually get to people but since she disappeared, so has he.

Kuroi86Dec 14, 20148 votes

What are issues with him?
Note, he was nerfed due to issues with balancing his kit. So simply buffing him may not be possible. What rework ideals do you think could be feasible?

ThatAutofillSuppDec 14, 20142 votes

sacrifice some of his E damage and make E into a dash/jump sort of like pantheon's W maybe? i mean, I'm probably wrong but i think 85% of top has to have some sort of gapclosser/hard cc to be played a lot

LankPantsDec 14, 20144 votes

Olaf is not a champ that should ever have mobility, he's already impossible to peel as it stands. Give him mobility and he has a guaranteed free dash into the back line and as long as he's not hella far behind at least one kill.

SalidfingersDec 14, 20142 votes

E is also what makes Olaf, Olaf

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

he has no damage peak. he is weak early game, he is weak late game, so he's weak. id propose giving him better base resistances. that way, he'd actually have a chance of not getting shat on in lane, since he's become pretty useless in the jungle (i have yet to try him in the new jungle, but im almost positive that he wouldnt be able to complete a first clear.) his balance comes in his super low mana early game but his hard scaling once you picked up a frozen heart and some damage/tankyness. i like olaf because he can be so versitile (i can go full AD/Lifesteal and splitpush, or super-tank and stick to the enemy carries doing true damage every few seconds that the enemy team doesnt address me)

5G8Nri0B54Dec 14, 20145 votes

Yeah Riot is suspiciously quite about him. Cassiopeia isn't exactly being treated all that much better considering her rework literally came without warning before people could protest, but still, sucks for both. Sucks hard for both.

That said, unlike Cassiopeia who is pretty easy to solve (yet isn't being solved...), I'm not too sure what Riot can do to help Olaf other than releasing an item that is especially powerful on only him.

KingsgraveDec 14, 20142 votes

{quoted} Yeah Riot is suspiciously quite about him. Cassiopeia isn't exactly being treated all that much better considering her rework literally came without warning before people could protest, but still, sucks for both. Sucks hard for both.

That said, unlike Cassiopeia who is pretty easy to solve (yet isn't being solved...), I'm not too sure what Riot can do to help Olaf other than releasing an item that is especially powerful on only him.

I honestly think Olaf needs a full blown rework. He is just a pile of stats currently. If he is allowed to be good he destroys anything Melee without even trying. Spammable true damage, basically permaslow if you are competent, immune to CC, free AS and Lifesteal etc.,

BeoridasDec 14, 20142 votes

the True dmg hurts him, and that is supposed to compensate for any armor shreds he doesnt have. All bruisers have: armor shred, Max % dmg, hybrid dmg, missing health dmg etc... Perma slow? please, most champs has an escape and can dodge his Q easily, the projectile is slow. his immunity to CC is 6 secs. while he can be focused during that time. Lifesteal is only if he gets to you, notice also that lifesteal is reduced by enemy armor. so if you are sort of tanky, then your E is reduced, your lifesteal is refuced, and your AS wont be noticed. See the trend?

5G8Nri0B54Dec 15, 20142 votes

That or...simplify him so he only has 1 resource to pay attention to rather than two atm.

JamnonDec 15, 20141 votes

This is possibly one of his biggest issues aside from needing ghost to Ult properly. Meanwhile Sion

Aroha MaiDec 15, 20141 votes

{quoted} This is possibly one of his biggest issues aside from needing ghost to Ult properly. Meanwhile

You can't really make a comparison to a champion like sion who has a fuck ton cc and stuff going for him while being rewarded for going tank.

Olaf is stuck with a fuck ton of stats that doesn't help him at all plus only one form of cc.

chumblerDec 15, 20142 votes

{quoted} You can't really make a comparison to a champion like sion who has a fuck ton cc and stuff going for him while being rewarded for going tank.

Olaf is stuck with a fuck ton of stats that doesn't help him at all plus only one form of cc.

New Sion is a joke that was never intended to be viable. His cc doesn't matter when he's never going to land any of it in League of Mobility. Old Sion was far better and actually somewhat countered mobility creep. Which I guess is why he had to go in Riot's eyes.

BeoridasDec 14, 20145 votes

Talk to any streamer or check all the stats of olaf pre rework and post rework. you will notice several things. His Q slow was nerfed pretty hard. a skill shot that he also needs to land many many times over. His W dmg got hard nerfed subtitued to attack speed. His E got a low nerf but i like that change and the potnetial it has. His ult doesnt make sense at all. in one hand. they want you to build dmg to boost your E and W potential. Then remove your ult passive bonus while you built dmg for your kit to make sense and scale. If you only build tanky, then your Q,W,E will be very weak so to speak. So on one hand you will die for trying to kill and thats only if you can stick to your target long enough, or you do no real dmg. also note that the CD of his E is very long compared to before, so you have to stick hardcore to your target AND survive, your E is your only form of dmg compared to any bruiser, his role doesnt make straight sense. is he a tank or an anti-carry? wtv he does hes being punished.

So to recap: Q: much worse than before W: MUCH MUCH worse than before (lots of dmg lost) E: Dmg worse than before and CD much worse than before. IF scaled properly, than the self dmg and squishyness will kill OLAF quickly. R:no arm pen, mega nerf to his overall dmg, lose his bonus armor and MR on use=huge nerf. Attack dmg steroid he gets every 80-100 seconds (which used to be on his scaling W with lower cd) Also, he is very red now which adds counterplay.

Result: trash champion.

TheI3igDaddyDec 14, 20145 votes

I don't get why people are so up in arms over the Olaf rework. I mean yeah he might be weaker now, but I don't think he's trash tier.

I still think he's a better top than a jungler, since he excels at dueling. Of course, he's better against melees then Ryze or any other ranged cancer. I'd say really all you need is BorK and then you build straight tank, so that you don't explode once you decide to press R.

KingsgraveDec 14, 20141 votes

{quoted} I don't get why people are so up in arms over the Olaf rework. I mean yeah he might be weaker now, but I don't think he's trash tier.

I still think he's a better top than a jungler, since he excels at dueling. Of course, he's better against melees then Ryze or any other ranged cancer. I'd say really all you need is BorK and then you build straight tank, so that you don't explode once you decide to press R.

why play him over even Garen?

test accountDec 14, 20148 votes

Is Garen a viking? No? There you go.

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

"it's ok that we nerfed him to the ground, because he looks so kewl"

BeoridasDec 14, 20142 votes

why would we play a weaker version of something that was sort of fine? the reason people played him jungle is that even in his old state, he wasnt measuring up to the other bruisers top lane. he wasnt safe and had no true gap closer. the only reason he saw competitive play at one point is that he could 2v1 (adc sup) easily. which he still sort of can. Otherwise, meta wise, hes really not good. Anyone can do better what he does with more dmg and tankyness, since his kit is meant to be a duelist with drawbacks of being one. While hes among the worst duelist in his category. (the duelists that is)

Angry MonsterDec 14, 20143 votes

i am going to shorten down your statement for you to the key part

I don't think

Play olaf then say what you think. I checked your last 50 games and you have not touched Olaf at all. How can you think he is good when you refuse to play him

sunk500Dec 14, 20145 votes

As an Olaf main I think Olaf is in an O.K place. The only thin I would change, and that makes sense, is to let him keep his resistances when he Ults. I understand that he gets immune to CC but in comparison, Shyvana gets her stats doubles when she ults and the idea of removing his passive makes no sense what so ever.

Let him keep his passive while ulting and it will be a nice Quality of Life change that will make him more viable without making him OP.

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

if he kept the resistances he might be playable at least (Because you wouldnt get murdered when you ult)

AuryielDec 14, 20144 votes

Olaf got attention before the rework and from my understanding it changed very little Cassioepeia is getting attention after the rework and so far lemme tell ya, it's changed almost nothing

Hasztalan2Dec 14, 20144 votes

THe problem with olaf that his kit will never support him to be viable so it's totally futile trying to bring any kind of feedback on him. Nuff said.

Also when the "rework" happened i wrote like 3 huge posts for them that the "new" Olaf did nothing except changed into a very good abuser of the current meta items (which at that time were sunfire,bork,sunfire and SV), and gave them lot of feedback tickets about this but as of course got completely ignored.

Now that thoose items got nerfed to hell Olaf is useless (what a surprise).

If he builds tanky he won't have the damage to be a threat. If he builds damage he gets blown up and every adc besides ashe 1v1s him. If he builds mix he won't have dmg AND will get blown up.

Much rework, such fun, many rito here my friend.

Teridax68Dec 14, 20143 votes

Olaf 's rework was more of a gameplay update (his kit stayed pretty much the same, but his abilities' numbers got tweaked), which is still the case for Cassiopeia , but at the time he just needed a number fix. For a very long time, he was the epitome of everything wrong with bruisers: nearly all of his power was stat- and steroid-based (it still is, to a degree), and his ability to deal massive damage as he built tanky meant that there was no real way to balance him without, well, Olafing him. His greatest strength used to be his personal Atma's Impaler steroid on his W, and after it got removed, he was no longer problematic, even if he was still left in a significantly worse state.

I think he might even need another rework at some point: he's still way too focused on stats and steroids, and buffing him now would perhaps make him more viable, but would still not fix his core issues, that is, a lack of power that is unique to him. His true damage is awesome, and his CC immunity has the potential to let him do things no other champion can, but besides that and his Q slow/poke, everything about him can be itemized for on other champions (by contrast, not even MasterYi can be copied by just buying item 3142 ). He deserves to be in a state where he can rampage in teamfights and both take and deal massive damage, and I think his theme as a viking berserker can be emulated with his abilities in a better way than just stat bonuses.

BrutalCabbageDec 14, 20142 votes

When Olaf was first reworked, I actually remember him being a popular competitive pick. At one point he had 100% pick+ban rate in Korea. This was because his Q slowed a fuckton, then they nerfed it. The rework was needed because he was like a god before (Voyboy's double kill, never forget) and I don't think it "killed" him at all. I wouldn't call him "weak" right now, especially after Righteous Glory came out, he's just not what people are looking for in the toplane given the ranged+mobility meta. He's still one of the best melee duelists and can effectively bully most melees. If the meta ever went back to melees, I think with Righteous Glory he would actually become really good.

Knight SoIaire Dec 14, 20142 votes

olaf got hammered not reworked and riot did this intentionaly because they have no way of ballancing him

BakugoBestBoyDec 14, 20142 votes

Olaf really is quite viable in certain matchups if you build him properly. Keep in mind he is a CDR tank that does not need tenacity. He excels vs Aatrox Darius Fiora Gangplank Khazix MasterYi Nasus Renekton Rengar Riven Yasuo basically anyone who builds a lot of ad and not very many tank stats. Nasus being the exception in this list but Nasus is squishy enough early that you can ruin his laning experience by just killing him repeatedly. (Normally you run ghost tp but vs nasus I prefer ghost ignite.

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

this so much. i miss olaf so badly but he's trash in jungle and gets outclassed in toplane. he can splitpush well but riot nerfed splitpush comps. i usually play him when i can in special gamemodes (urf, ascension, etc) because he still has an awesome kit, he just doesnt have good enough numbers to win lane :/

CriomhthannDec 14, 20142 votes

On Olaf, they traded a kit they couldn't balance for a kit they couldn't balance. That's why he is shit, that's why he will always be shit.

AlëkDec 14, 20142 votes

The only thing new Olaf is good at now is dueling. But then again he was always good at that.

NottBrandonDec 14, 20141 votes

Olaf is still not bad, he just takes a lot of skill in my opinion. I like to think of him as the bruiser equivalent of Yasuo. You can't really make a mistake in lane, but if you know how to play him superbly, then you can't take full control of a lane.

ninjacapoDec 14, 20142 votes

you cant make a mistake in lane, but you cant take full control of lane?

they took away everything that made olaf olaf. now he doesnt have any of the stats he needs to splitpush OR teamfight, so what is left to do? duel? better hope the enemy has no dash/kite/friends