AP On-hit versions of Tiamat and ruunans please?

Hammermancer·Nov 13, 2018·2 votes·1,424 views

The idea behind this would be to facilitate AP on-hit champs with a little oomph for waveclear, the items would offer lower AP but some AP scaling for autos,

+ +750 gold, (Ranged only)

40 AP 40% attack speed

Passive: Auto attack split into two hits, each deals only 75% damage, if targetting one creature deal 110% of on-hit damage instead passive auto attacks deal 20% of ap on hit as bonus damage

Passive, Convert x% of AD to AP,

passive Autos deal magic damage= to x

Active Like tiamat but magic damage

14 Comments

ankoanko19Nov 13, 20183 votes

Rageblade used to do this. It was reworked because Tristana abused it lol.

OleandervineNov 13, 20182 votes

AP champions who are melee and on-hit are balanced by their poor waveclear. They don't need their weaknesses removed.

Furthermore, Runaan's doesn't need to be AP. It's already usable by both since it's main stats are MS, AS, and some crit. No one really buys it for the crit.

ZT XperimentorNov 13, 20182 votes

Mages have luden's echo, which is more along the lines of statikk shiv, but still an 'on-hit' for spell casts. And nashor's tooth already adds 15% of AP onto auto-attacks. Like your creative enthusiasm, but please glance through and try out more obscure items first.

HammermancerNov 13, 20182 votes

ok, but luudens is for burst mages, not for ap melee honestly. Imagine forcing every ad melee champ to build a duskblade

ZT XperimentorDec 4, 20181 votes

Funny enough ekko can use both luden's echo and statikk shiv on his E. Don't most physical melees already rush black cleaver? Not much difference since they both have AD, CDR, and ignore some armor; just a preference of health over more burst. But I agree there could be some more fleshing out.

EnderizedNov 13, 20181 votes

Let's be honest: how many AP-On-Hit champs are out there?

HammermancerNov 13, 20181 votes

actually the melee version is more what i was looking for

minor defensive stats and some on hit for melee AP champs would be useful

as for ranged ones? Let's be honest: there are about six ranged champs with value in on-hit, but these champs can't do it because of itemization issues which this would solve

EnderizedNov 14, 20181 votes

which ap-melee champs beside Jax and Diana do actually have a good use for on-hit?

ZackTheWaffleManNov 13, 20181 votes

well, there are many champs that are forced to go AD on-hit (or a different build entirely) because there is no AP on-hit, like Warwick Varus Teemo (if you go pure on-hit) Orianna Lulu KogMaw Jax

EnderizedNov 14, 20181 votes

Warwick does indeed have an AP-On-hit Damage thingy on his passive, but as far as I know, with no sort of AP Scaling. So I wouldn't count him as "AP-on-hit" -

Lulu Passive has some special traits, causing it to not really be "on-hit" - e.g. it doesn't proc on item 3085 's bolts, Ezreals/GP Q or Warwick R.

Kog'maw and Varus are more considered to be played Hybrid, or not precisely 'hybrid' but still dealing hybrid damage- both with %mapHP Damage. Guess what happens if you give them those Items :x For as e.g. Rageblade in one of it's older states, with the AoE styled effect... Jax totally went overboard same as with Kog'maw.

The only champs I would like to see those items for are actually Orianna and Teemo. But how to balance these Items around them whilst not making other absurdly op?

ZackTheWaffleManNov 14, 20181 votes

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Warwick does indeed have an AP-On-hit Damage thingy on his passive, but as far as I know, with no sort of AP Scaling. So I wouldn't count him as "AP-on-hit" -

Lulu Passive has some special traits, causing it to not really be "on-hit" - e.g. it doesn't proc on 's bolts, Ezreals/GP Q or Warwick R.

Kog'maw and Varus are more considered to be played Hybrid, or not precisely 'hybrid' but still dealing hybrid damage- both with %mapHP Damage. Guess what happens if you give them those Items :x For as e.g. Rageblade in one of it's older states, with the AoE styled effect... Jax totally went overboard same as with Kog'maw.

The only champs I would like to see those items for are actually Orianna and Teemo. But how to balance these Items around them whilst not making other absurdly op?

Warwick has 90% AP scaling on his Q. Lulu would still benefit from the AP and attackspeed that the items would grant. I just want to see Kog and Varus have the ability to get the same build diversity as Kai'sa. They should be able to go AD on-hit if they're facing Morgana DrMundo Kassadin Galio or AP on--hit if they're facing Graves Rammus