All it took was one over nerf to put Kog on such a bad state that he now needs another rework.

Packun Flower··3 votes·972 views

When the Marksmen update was announced Riot had stated they were working on several Marksman champions and reworking/retweking them to give them a better identity for their roles, kits and abilities, as well as to balance out damage and weaknesses.

Kog'Maw was among these Marksmen, before the rework Kog'Maw was not in the best of state, hardly ever played for dull gameplay but when he was he was usually played well and demonstrated a hyper late game carry agenda for the team he was on. Riot had deemed this game play and late game power spike unhealthy and thus put him back on the drawing board to give him a new identity.

When the Kog'Maw rework was released we saw a new Kog that was not only fun to play but now had a defined role as an AD Marksmen. Riot had traded in a lot of his AP Damage in favor of a unique attack speed steroid that complemented his AD role, the steroid reduced his overall damage but had it own unique AD Scaling, giving Kog'maw a reason to build AD for his identity over the nerfed AP values of his kit.

And the rework was a huge success, Kog'Maw now had fun, unique gameplay and a powerful defined role with a healthy immobile weakness as an AD Marksmen. He was seeing a lot more gameplay and the reviews for hm were overall positive. Finally bot lane had some verity that wasn't Vayne or Lucian.

However, the fame was short lived as shortly after his release, Kog'maw received a single nerf, but a nerf that caused his new identity and put him right back into the identity crises that's far worse now. Riot removed the AD Scaling on his Steroid, leaving Kog'maw players with a champion that can do virtually nothing now. With the AD Scaling gone, Kog'maw players literally have no reason to build AD, as the steroid reduced Kog'maw's damage output by a whopping 45%. If you waste the gold building AD items your going to be throwing almost half the items value away when you activate your Attack speed steroid, leaving you with little to no damage anyway.

With this Nerf Kog'maw players like myself found that I could no longer take him bot lane, as Kog just didn't have the damage, nor the identity to be down there and win trades, the only lane left to go was mid but now there was another problem. AP Kog has also been heavily nerfed, With crazy Mana scaling on R, Mana regen nerfs in general and AP bursts and Assassins running amok in mid lane. AP Kog quickly went from a powerful poke and burst artillery champ to a free kill mid even 30 seconds, his immobile weakness still remains and Assassins take great joy in picking that weakness apart.

This single over nerf has left Kog'Maw in such a bad state that he really has no where to go. He can't be put in bot because almost every ADC will out damage and outscale from early to late game, and he can't go mid as an AP because his nerfed AP damage and immobile weakness makes him easy pickings for burst mages and Assassins.

The state Kog'maw is in now is far far FAR worse then he was before his rework. Since Riot has refused to give him back the AD Scaling on his W, the only option left is to once again rework him.

But I think Kog's at the end of his ropes and Riot has since long abandoned any hopes for this guy, they dont see to be addressing this issue at all and as a result Kog has gone the way of Yorick,

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Rebonack1 votes

Urgot and Yorick have a new friend.

If Riot really wanted Kog to be healthy and don't feel inclined to put much effort into the changes, all they need to do is revert his W back to 1.25% max HP damage per 100 total AD and then give the damage on W 15 minimum damage. Possibly make the minimum damage increase a bit with levels in W so it doesn't feel like as much of a trap to level it early.

Then EITHER make Kog's W refresh on Takedowns OR make basic attacks against enemy champions increase its duration by some amount. These would still leave counter-play in Kog's W. Bait it out and back off. But they would allow Kog to continue dealing sustained damage through a team fight, which is a pretty major weakness Kog faces right now. It makes no sense that the sustained damage niche Marksmen can't sustain damage through an extended team fight.

brad1 votes

the only reason kog'maw is bad is because the average game time is extremely short

a year ago games routinely went into the 40-50 minute mark, now they can end before 30

kog'maw is a late game champ, take him to 40/50 minutes and watch as the entire enemy team disintegrates

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-02-05T20:08:21.167+0000)

the only reason kog'maw is bad is because the average game time is extremely short

a year ago games routinely went into the 40-50 minute mark, now they can end before 30

kog'maw is a late game champ, take him to 40/50 minutes and watch as the entire enemy team disintegrates

And yet Twitch, Jinx, Vayne, and Trist are all doing just fine.

brad1 votes

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And yet Twitch, Jinx, Vayne, and Trist are all doing just fine.

twitch and vayne are definitely not doing fine

jinx and tristana are far from late game hyper carries

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T20:16:52.436+0000)

twitch and vayne are definitely not doing fine

jinx and tristana are far from late game hyper carries

Yes they are.

And yes they are.

Vayne is still one of the most picked champions in the game. She just isn't totally dominating everything like she was when the two energize items stacked.

Twitch's play-rate is a bit on the low side, but his performance is solid. His numbers are artificially low since quite a few people still haven't realized that Ghostblade into Hurricane is quite a bit stronger than Bork into Hurricane.

And I consider 'hyper carries' to be any champion who has a positive growth rate with game duration. That's as opposed to champions who are dominate early and then drop off, or champions who are equally useful at all stages of the game.

brad1 votes

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Yes they are.

And yes they are.

Vayne is still one of the most picked champions in the game. She just isn't totally dominating everything like she was when the two energize items stacked.

Twitch's play-rate is a bit on the low side, but his performance is solid. His numbers are artificially low since quite a few people still haven't realized that Ghostblade into Hurricane is quite a bit stronger than Bork into Hurricane.

And I consider 'hyper carries' to be any champion who has a positive growth rate with game duration. That's as opposed to champions who are dominate early and then drop off, or champions who are equally useful at all stages of the game.

no http://puu.sh/mX7EH/7ffdc813aa.jpg[/img] they http://puu.sh/mX7Hb/c4a2991931.jpg[/img] arent http://puu.sh/mX7LI/3da452b707.jpg[/img]

the only one who is doing well is jinx, and she is barely keeping her head above water against shit like lucian and corki http://puu.sh/mX7JX/82e66fee4d.jpg[/img]

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T20:57:49.425+0000)

no http://puu.sh/mX7EH/7ffdc813aa.jpg[/img] they http://puu.sh/mX7Hb/c4a2991931.jpg[/img] arent http://puu.sh/mX7LI/3da452b707.jpg[/img]

the only one who is doing well is jinx, and she is barely keeping her head above water against shit like lucian and corki http://puu.sh/mX7JX/82e66fee4d.jpg[/img]

Champgg has a really small sample size.

Try leaugeofgraphs instead.

brad1 votes

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Champgg has a really small sample size.

Try leaugeofgraphs instead.

funny you should say that

i am not using champion.gg

and your website only further proved my point

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T21:19:58.237+0000)

funny you should say that

i am not using champion.gg

Ah, I see now. You're using lolking, which is even worse.

brad1 votes

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Ah, I see now. You're using lolking, which is even worse.

look i see that all u ever play is dominion and bot games, so take it from someone who actually plays the game, and is a fuck ton better at it than u

ur wrong

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T21:25:12.578+0000)

look i see that all u ever play is dominion and bot games, so take it from someone who actually plays the game, and is a fuck ton better at it than u

ur wrong

I dunno.

Other Diamond Guy up there seems to think Vayne is doing alright.

brad1 votes

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I dunno.

Other Diamond Guy up there seems to think Vayne is doing alright.

he sure had a lot of evidence to support and back up his claims xD!

im done here

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T21:45:32.413+0000)

he sure had a lot of evidence to support and back up his claims xD!

im done here

Bye! Shoot for Challenger this season.

You can do it.

I believe in you.

Dominick Destine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hi lm Brad,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dWuaHuM1,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-02-05T20:16:52.436+0000)

twitch and **vayne **are definitely not doing fine

You serious? Vayne is doing better than ever.

Sohleks1 votes

I just want true ap artillery koggles back ;~;

Itadaki Seieki1 votes

Kog is only bad because games last till mid-game. Most ADCs don't do well until then, which is why the few you constantly see are.

Corki Lucian Quinn

and I suppose Trist.

The reason why? These guys ( and girls ) don't need a lot of items to hit their power spikes.

Luc needs Essence, Corki needs Triforce. Quinn can get whatever Quinn gets.

Trist is just good at breaking towers at all points in the game.

Vayne still needs AS after Rapidfire ( as with the LW being changed while being a primarily AS reliant champion, she has to build that instead of AS, Jinx needs IE/Boots, Cait needs a few items.

Kog needs, well for my build for him anyways; Rageblade, Boots, Hurricane and PD before he can chunk people down faster than any ADC in the game.

Dominick Destine1 votes

People want to justify Kog being bad because they have not played him or with him.

He is absolute garbo.... and I am surprised Riot has not bit the bullet and buffed him into viability after the beating he took the past few patches.

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