Title says it all.. He should be ranged unmounted (at the very least his w should). I've played him and against him a lot. He's super underpowered without ignite or exhaust, and getting knocked off your mount means an early back 70% of the time.
Skarl is just too hard to get back especially against hard cc.
Guyy Fieri2 votesIf Kled were ranged in his mini, then we would just have another Gnar. There has to be something different between the champions, otherwise they end up both filling the same niche.
I suk Clocks1 votesThe mechanics are nothing like gnar.. And better to be like something that works than something that doesnt
Guyy Fieri1 votesMy point is just that, that the mechanics aren't like Gnar, that's a good thing. I love Gnar but if I'm gonna play a champion that has two forms, one melee one ranged and wants to team fight in his melee form, I'm gonna play Gnar, not Kled. I just would worry that there would become too many similarities between the two if Kled was ranged while dismounted
I suk Clocks1 votesElise has two forms too.. But you don;t compare Gnar to Elise or a Marksman Kled to Elise... OH WAIT thats because they wouldn't be anything alike even if he did have a ranged auto unmounted.. Your argument is null. Ive played Kled enough now to make this suggestion.. Having a ranged w or auto would completely compliment his unmounted form.
Guyy Fieri1 votesElise has access to all of her abilities and can easily switch her form. Gnar and Kled require some form of charging a resource (Gnar-rage, Kled-courage) to change forms and neither can really control when they change back. That's why Gnar and Kled are similar while Jayce, Elise, Nidalee are not similar to Gnar and Kled.
I suk Clocks1 votesKled and Gnar would be nothing alike even if Kled had an AA in his off mount. Stop trying to back up your ridiculous statement.
Guyy Fieri1 votesLol whatever...there are actually a lot of similarities but I guess I just don't know anything........
I suk Clocks1 votesYou don't apparently. When kled goes mega kled and starts throwing rocks and knocking people into walls then you can tell me how much they resemble one another. Until then, no.. just no.
Guyy Fieri1 votesAnd for the record....
Both are mana less, have to fill a resource bar to change forms, both are primarily top laners, both are great and chasing enemies down long lane, both can engage or disengage fights, both deal %health damage as part of their kit, both have decent mobility, both are bruisers (even though Kled will likely build more damage, he's still a bruiser).
So I don't know what your hang up is here but there are a shitton of similarities between Kled and Gnar, whether you like it or not.
I suk Clocks1 votesWhy are you trying to Necro an incorrect statement? I love the downvotes BTW..even though Im correct, thats what happens when your forums and game are dominated by tweens.
Guyy Fieri1 votesYou're wrong...I'm done with this conversation... such stupidity ....
I suk Clocks1 votesI think you realized you are the one who is wrong and that's the actual reason for you abandoning your argument.
Guyy Fieri1 votesWhy are you still talking?
I suk Clocks1 votesThis is my thread?
Beldair1 votesTechnically they would...atm:
Gnar is a poke mobile champ in mini form but becomes a Tanky monstrosity once he is able yo go Mega.
Kled starts off Tanky and then becomes a melee assassin like champ with decent damage and an OK escape.
You make his auto or W ranged and you practically have the same champ...
I suk Clocks1 votesThere kits aren't remotely the same champ.. That's like saying all melee champs are technically the same. All adc are technically the same, all mages are technically the same.. Technically you're delusional if you think that.
Astôlfo2 votesOr, no. The point is that he's weaker in his unmounted state. And he gains attack range anyways.
I suk Clocks1 votesThe point then is that he is completely Unviable then like all the other new champs. You were worried he would be like Gnar, but now hes like skarner.
Astôlfo2 voteslolno not even close
ChromaticSun1 votesyouve never played against kled yet, it seems
I suk Clocks1 votesI play against him and he's the easiest bruiser Ive ever taken out of a game.. I love your snarky pointless comment though.
ChromaticSun1 votesmaybe he just shits on riven then ig because im pretty sure i was uploaded to efukt.com after that match
I suk Clocks1 votesYou probably made the incorrect play of bursting him while he was mounted, or not timing your gank wit his w.
JayHog19921 votesMarksman implies he has range, which he doesn't at all times.
Skillshots don't count as "Range". (His Q)
Mistress Shyvana1 votesI think he's saying when Kled is unmounted his W becomes ranged for those 4 Autos only. (Unless he means completely ranged. Like able to use runnans and all, like gnar)
I think that would be pretty cool to be honest. He uses his pistol for his unmounted W I wouldn't even mind compensation nerfs because how easy it would be to get Skaaarl back he would need them.
Guyy Fieri1 votesI doubt Kled would ever be able to buy Runaan's and immediately upon returning to base he remounts Skarl making him melee and not ranged.
Mistress Shyvana1 votesWell if it worked like when Gnar he would keep the stats but the passive wouldn't work.
Guyy Fieri1 votesI don't even think you can buy it if you aren't ranged, I could be wrong but I thought that's how it works; kinda like how ranged champs can't even buy hydras
JayHog19921 votesIt enhances his range, but doesn't make him ranged.
Besides, your main strengths are with Skaarl, you shouldn't be buying stuff to make good use of the unmounted debuff.
I suk Clocks1 votesThe point is that once you get knocked off skarl you become useless most of the time.
Astôlfo2 votesThat's the point.
I suk Clocks1 votesSo why even have the mechanic If the point is to make them useless? That's exactly why I made the post to begin with.
Astôlfo1 votesIt's called balancing for the strength in his mounted state =.=
I suk Clocks1 votesGive him less strength mounted then. They can rebalance it after they make it a functional utility.
Mistress Shyvana1 votesi like him how he is, because once you learn to juggle courage and play around skaarl you become a god :3
people think just cause Skaarl is low, hes a free kill >:3
I suk Clocks1 votesI'm good with him. I like him alot.. I would like him more if his offmount form wasn't completely counter logic.
Mistress Shyvana1 votesThe only change i would want is for him to passively generate courage. it wouldnt be to much of a buff more of a quality of life. To many times will you get knocked off and even if you avoid poke from the laner killing 3 waves of minions for skaarl back isnt exactly fun
I suk Clocks1 votesYeah he needs to generate courage faster, it's just a hair too slow.
Locke Daemonfire1 votesIt's kind of like Zac's or Anivia's passive. In comparison, he's a lot less useless while he's in his 'dead' form, but he has to do some work to get his second life.
JayHog19921 votesThat's why they added a courage bar, to enCOURAGE you to get back in his mount.
Insert Phreak's puns of damage gif here.
I suk Clocks1 votesYeah Im saying either marksman or having that (w be ranged preferably)
Calabok1 votesNo
Beldair1 votesIf you know what you are doing, you can even make his unmounted form seem strong.
He actually isn't useless unmounted though. Get some atk speed and you can get Skaarl back quickly.
Basically, build a mix of attack speed, health, and attack damage and you have a mounted menace of top lane.
I suk Clocks1 votesI can get skarl back and I have won Duels with him even unmounted.. the point is that it only works that way if the other person has no clue wtf they are doing. Having some range would make farming and hitting towers more feasible.. All together it would make him feel better to me.
Beldair1 votesQuite a few ppl are already complaining about how OP Kled is, so I doubt any kind of unmounted buff will be happening
I suk Clocks1 votesPeople complain about every champ being OP.. There are ways you can balance a champ apart from making their kit mediocre and unplayable. Use your head.
If I have an off mount and on mount in my kit I want to feel like I'm doing something substantial in both forms.
Nerf his damage 50% off skarl .. I dont care.. I just want to be somewhere other than fountain with my off mount
Meep Man1 votesThat completely ruins his thematic and character