Off Meta Supports losing games in ranked

I suk Clocks·Oct 18, 2016·6 votes·1,969 views

I've been noticing a lot of people trying to play off meta champions as support in silver elo.

Although I don't typically have a problem with people playing something they are good with, and playing whatever wherever. It's really hard for an adc to do their job if the support is trying too hard to carry the game and sacrificing the needed utility on a team.

I mean, I'm a pretty good adc, but even with ashe I cannot self peel their entire team.

If you're going to play something that has no utility as support, you better carry the game. Otherwise consider yourself the reason your team lost.

45 Comments

NiamhNyxOct 18, 20163 votes

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If you're going to play something that has no utility as support, you better carry the game. Otherwise consider yourself the reason your team lost.

Thats cute, your still as much of the reason your team lost as they would have been because you weren't good enough to carry with an off meta support. See same thing can be turned on yourself, just ignore it an play. Otherwise you will never climb.

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

I do climb (very slowly), but you cannot carry every game alone, and no matter how good you are at adc. You do actually heavily rely on the skills of your support, and of your team. I hate to burst your bubble too but ignoring problems doesn't mean they don't exist, and it certainly won't magically give you the ability to 1v5 in this game. I know that's what the motivational messages in the load-in screen, and other players will tell you, but it just doesn't work that way. The reality of league is that one person can actually lose a game for everyone else, and often do. The only thing that is true is that you win and lose as team, not as an individual. Because the game is not about how many plays you do right, it's about how few mistakes you make, and how well you punish mistakes.

NiamhNyxOct 18, 20161 votes

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I do climb (very slowly), but you cannot carry every game alone, and no matter how good you are at adc. You do actually heavily rely on the skills of your support, and of your team. I hate to burst your bubble too but ignoring problems doesn't mean they don't exist, and it certainly won't magically give you the ability to 1v5 in this game. I know that's what the motivational messages in the load-in screen, and other players will tell you, but it just doesn't work that way. The reality of league is that one person can actually lose a game for everyone else, and often do. The only thing that is true is that you win and lose as team, not as an individual. Because the game is not about how many plays you do right, it's about how few mistakes you make, and how well you punish mistakes.

one person can not just lose the game for your team, its how your team responds to it that makes it a loss. Dont try that "ohh its one persons fault" bull shit with me. I do know how a support works lol, I am a support main and I did not say carry the whole game though did i? I said carry, that means lane/or game. It is relatively easy to carry a bad support if you know who to target.

Ignoring the problem of someone picking an off meta support will help you, and do you want to know why? Because then you will be focusing on yourself instead. its not rocket science.

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

I do focus on my own game play, but one person cannot always carry 4 other people no matter how good they are. This is a team game that requires at least minimal coordination and basic comprehension of the entire team.

The point of ranked is to demonstrate you have enough skill to climb into the next tier, be average enough in your current tier to hold your rank, or show you aren't good enough and descend.

If you are required to play at several elos higher than the one you are currently in to climb efficiently there is a problem with the elo system then.

In your own words .. it's not rocket science.

If I have to play as well as a challenger to get into gold, then I'm a challenger not a silver. I have friends, myself included who have reached higher elos even up to diamond, and still have a hard time carrying lower elos (especially silver).

It's legitimately a huge problem.

NiamhNyxOct 18, 20162 votes

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I do focus on my own game play, but one person cannot always carry 4 other people no matter how good they are. This is a team game that requires at least minimal coordination and basic comprehension of the entire team.

The point of ranked is to demonstrate you have enough skill to climb into the next tier, be average enough in your current tier to hold your rank, or show you aren't good enough and descend.

If you are required to play at several elos higher than the one you are currently in to climb efficiently there is a problem with the elo system then.

In your own words .. it's not rocket science.

again i did not say YOU HAVE TO SOLO CARRY A GAME get that through your thick ass skull. nevermind, im done with idiots like you who try to use the same argument i just disproved, not worth the time.

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

You didn't actually disprove anything, and you've now contradicted yourself twice.That's called Looping.

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

You said "You are still as much of the reason why your team lost". Well what if you did extremely well, and played perfectly while the other team made more mistakes than you and you still lose. What then?

NiamhNyxOct 18, 20161 votes

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You said "You are still as much of the reason why your team lost". Well what if you did extremely well, and played perfectly while the other team made more mistakes than you and you still lose. What then?

Its still part of your fault because you couldn't close out the game. Dont go throwing blame on others.

I suk ClocksOct 19, 20161 votes

I'm going to throw blame on anyone who deserves it.. myself included. Because I'm not some hive mind little riot fanboy that actually believes games are won or lost based on your mood.

I don't typically flame people out, but I sure as shit see bad players all too often who completely demolish a teams chance of success.

Utility BacklineOct 19, 20161 votes

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I'm going to throw blame on anyone who deserves it.. myself included.

You are not making sense. Because I just posted rational reasons why you are hindering your own performance, and you did not acknowledge it.

Because I'm not some hive mind little riot fanboy that actually believes games are won or lost based on your mood.

What on Earth are you trying to get at? How does that sentence even make sense? A hive minded riot fanboy who believes games are won based on mood... A riot fanboy would be more inclined that games are won off of cooperation and teamwork.

I don't typically flame people out, but I sure as shit see bad players all too often who completely demolish a teams chance of success.

You made a bitch post today and have not played a league match in over 6 days... starting to think you got a 14 day ban and came to the forums to vent... Wish you hadn't wasted all of our time. So many people trying to help you in constructive ways, but you're just a destructive type.

~Utility Backline I bring honey back to the queen because I beelieve in teamwork.

I suk ClocksOct 19, 20161 votes

This was like 14 days ago man when I played you. I literally looked through my history when I saw your name. You were playing Bard, I was playing Vayne,m we won. It's pretty freaking ironic, so brought it up.

You want to talk about bitch though. You're sitting here talking about my fiance's stats and builds, when this post has nothing to do with climbing, builds, or adcs..I think you just like to hear yourself talk, and try to sound important. And Ill stand by the fact that half your information is mediocre and half truthed.

Read my original forum post.. that's what this thread is about, if you want to talk about builds find whatever forum post you thought you were posting in, and copy pasta all this crap into it.. this ain't the right one.

Utility BacklineOct 19, 20161 votes

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This was like 14 days ago man when I played you. I literally looked through my history when I saw your name. You were playing Bard, I was playing Vayne,m we won. It's pretty freaking ironic, so brought it up.

My only Bard loss is 21 days ago in a normal. ADC in this game wasn't even plat (you stated your main is P3). You also stated the game you beat me in you were playing Vayne, this game has no Vayne. Therefore I never lost to you. You're a liar. Second time I've proven that story bunk. Care to let us all know what your Plat3 account name is? I find it odd you have not yet informed us of this amazing P3 account. If you truly had beat me in a game you would have provided the name a long time ago to let me op.gg that summoner p3 account and see your victory against my bard.

You want to talk about bitch though. You're sitting here talking about my fiance's stats and builds, when this post has nothing to do with climbing, builds, or adcs..I think you just like to hear yourself talk, and try to sound important. And Ill stand by the fact that half your information is mediocre and half truthed.

You're still admitting to playing on your fiances account and racking up over 1000 ranked games. 1 - Account sharing is illegal so you've lost your fiances account 2 - This isn't your fiances account, cause it stinks of a player who strikingly resembles your attitude. You bitch a lot and this account is very tilty looking based on stats. You play a lot of champs I would assume a person of your temperment would play. But by all means, feel free to drop us your Plat3 summoner name big guy. Prove me wrong pls. If your next response does not contain your p3 summoner name, I know you're just someone who cannot mentally cope with a diamond giving you solid advice. Which is truly sad, helping people leave bronze is fun for me. I love coaching.

Read my original forum post.. that's what this thread is about, if you want to talk about builds find whatever forum post you thought you were posting in, and copy pasta all this crap into it.. this ain't the right one.

Your original post contained a diatribe about bad supports. I took it as an opportunity to teach you that discussing anything but your own play is a waste of time, because, and heres the shocker, you cannot change your allies. Since it is so easy to leave Bronze I figured I could leave with with great tips on how to achieve that. Rather than take my advice. You construed some mental gymnastics and created a "bruh this isn't even my account, I'm a plat player" loser story. Do you know how damaged mentally one must be to say "hey this isn't my account, I'm actually illegally jumping on my fiances account to make forum posts and play games with friends." In all 7 years I've played this game. You're like the 3rd or 2nd most cringiest story I have ever heard. Its actually depressing that you cannot even appreciate your own accomplishments of getting to Bronze 1. Furthermore its depressing that you cannot even take good advice, use it,and enter Silver before the season ends.

~Utility Backline Provide proof you beat me. Whats your op.gg?

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

I would really like you to get a custom game together right now. with all players of the same skill, and one int feeder, and prove to me you can win it.

Maximum MordeOct 18, 20163 votes

I accept my limitations and the fact that I probably instigated a loss by tilting my team in champ select. All the same, what were you other 4 clowns doing the whole game? I am not the team. I am a single part.

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

Haha, well No I don't really get tilted by it but I just had a J4 support for example who actually only fed. I managed to get myself fed in lane and in mid game. I got a clutch double kill on my enemy adc and support. Huge misplay lux missed snare and lucian ulted bad. But anyway.. we ended up losing the game because when the team fights rolled around, and pushing beyond river became a necessity. I had noone to help me with the Mundo, Talon, Lux, and tundle that easily peeled my team away and dove us in in the backline.

The only way J4 would have worked is if we were all so fed that we can melt them in the time that J4's ult was up, but the harsh reality is most of the time they just flashed past him and towards us, and since he had no damage to follow up.. He became more of like.. the guy that stood behind the enemy team and watches as his team lose a 4v5 haha

Axe2HandleOct 18, 20161 votes

If you are a bag of bricks then the other 4 are trying to fight 4v5's because you got sneezed at before a team fight and ended up in the fountain.

BGHOct 18, 20162 votes

In this game if u don't play the meta you lose. In before downvotes and haters.

k wìxOct 18, 20162 votes

Eh, it sounds like you have less of a problem with 'off-meta' and more of a problem with supports who don't freakin' support, you know, the ones who go full damage, don't ward, and certainly don't peel for you? This is just bad supporting, and it never goes away - not even in gold/plat levels.

This is why Mobility is so critical for a soloQ ADC to have, because if you dont trust your support, at least you can farm safely. Bad players will never go away, your best option is to do the best you can with each game, and try to figure out as early as possible if you can trust your support.

as a Solo support main, this happens every game - if I trust my ADC, i will empower the HELL out of him, but if I determine he's garbage (And I firmly believe and trust that im a good judge after 2000+ games), then I will subvert his lane for my gain and just sorta play around him, protecting him enough to ensure feeding doesn't happen. Usually he will question my sexuality, and then threaten to report me. But I have a higher chance of winning, so .. eh.

Zach SandwhichOct 18, 20162 votes

If you're good at something by all means play it. But don't experiment in ranked

Utility BacklineOct 19, 20162 votes

So I think you have yet to realize the golden rule about Ranked. You cannot change your allies and opponents therefore it is pointless to consider them. You can only better yourself. At every ELO there exists something you are fundamentally missing. At Bronze/Silver/Gold it is very easy to point to what you are doing wrong.

Lets begin:

Runepage: Two Tier 2 movement speed quints. Do not start ranked until you have a full Tier 3 page. Movement speed sucks on ADC, remove those. Scaling attack damage glyphs? Sucks. Remove those. Flat attack damage marks, flat armor seals, magic resist glyphs, and attack speed quints.

Source - http://www.probuilds.net/pros/details/doublelift

Mastery Page: Switch Wanderer for Savagery. Switch Oppressor for Bounty Hunter.

Source - http://www.probuilds.net/pros/details/doublelift

Ranked Champ Pool: You have played over 10 games on 24 champions this season. This is very bad. It shows you take ranked casually. You always specialize and build a 3 max champ pool per role you play. In this Dynamic Season you only needed to truly learn 6 champs (3 per role). Instead your stats show you as a guy who just sort of practiced champions in ranked. You also have 31 additional champs you have less than 10 games on. 55 unique champs played this season. Too much.

Source - http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=I+suk+Clocks+

Vision: In your last 20 ranked matches you have purchased a combined 8 pinks. That is an insanely low amount of counter vision. What makes that stat even worse is that 9 of 20 matches were on the Support role. In my last 20 I have 70 pink wards purchased as a comparison.

Sources: (You need to set the matches history to Ranked to see the last 20 ranked, so it doesn't include normal or custom matches) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=I+suk+Clocks+ & http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=utility+backline

Champ Builds: Your builds are all over the place. You seem to have no standard build set, and while the argument could be made that games are unique. It is more likely that games follow a set pattern in lower elos. In 3 of your last 20 games you forgot to upgrade your sweeper. Looking at your Sona game from 10 days ago, your build starts off as a heavy ability power build (sorc boots, lich) then you start going tank. You don't ward a lot (9 wards), zero pinks, zero wards countered. Your dmg looks subpar for a ap aggro build. It looks like you did not fully commit to your strategy. Evidence of this in multiple games but I won't list everything, just be mindful of what your strategy is going into a match, and don't deviate from it.

Source: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=I+suk+Clocks+

Summation:

You play too many champs and build sub-optimally. Go to probuilds.net and copy pros pages and builds. Forget your allies and only focus on you. There is a lot to fix about your own play, and that is the only part of this game you can fix. Stick to only playing 2 roles and pick 3 champs per role. 1 champ in each role should be someone you practice DAILY.

My Advice:

Role 1 - ADC: 1. Ashe 2. Sivir 3. Not Vayne

Role 2 - Support: 1. Janna 2. Easy Tank (Tahm Kench/Alistar) 3. No Hook Champions.

Why? Your Ashe has decent stats, and a good winrate you obviously are best with Ashe. Vayne sucks, don't play Vayne you will likely never be good enough mechanically to master Vayne. Sivir is safe and her utility is valued at very elo. Janna is the easiest support to play in League. Tahm is super good for tank supports, and when practiced can provide a lot of unique strategies with his ult that should dumpster low elo. Ali is a basic champ as well, although he is receiving a rework so maybe consider not practicing him. Hook champs are like Vayne. Unless you play them every game 10 games a day, and truly increase your skill, do not play them.

~Utility Backline I'm just a genius.

I suk ClocksOct 19, 20161 votes

That's a whole lot of shit you spent time posting to a P3 player who is posting on his finances dick around with friends account lmao.

Also come to think of it.. I played you recently mr Bard and beat you with Vayne,,, Ain't that some funny coincidental shit.

I knew I recognized your name.

Utility BacklineOct 19, 20161 votes

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That's a whole lot of shit you spent time posting to a P3 player who is posting on his finances dick around with friends account lmao.

Also come to think of it.. I played you recently mr Bard and beat you with Vayne,,, Ain't that some funny coincidental shit.

I knew I recognized your name.

I'm assuming its Fiance and not "finance", and if so, you just admitted to playing on your fiances account... which is considered account sharing which results in a permanent suspension of said account.
You have an accumulated 1,000 games of ranked on this account, I highly doubt this is a smurf or a "dick around" account.
I don't have a single game on record where I lost to a P3 Vayne as Bard. I also don't lose to plat 3s... cause I'm diamond, and good at league, and I don't even play Bard.
Instead of taking advice from a diamond, you try to lash out. You took a sincere well thought out set of advice, took it as an attack, and tried to rebuttal. Your rebuttal was cringe btw.

My Advice?

Go back to school your spelling and grammar is boosted.
Apologize to your fiance since you admitted to playing on her account she is likely going to lose it, as I will be submitting a report.

~Utility Backline Diamond supports never lose to Bronze Vaynes.

LordGeovanniOct 18, 20161 votes

1 loss doesnt mean that they arent good at their off meta support and the thing about off meta supports is that adc players usually dont let anything stop them from playing their standard how they want to play not poke orintated support not engage ones not off meta ones once that adc player decides they want to do what is normal they do it no matter if they are contributeing to easy fights or not. and part of the reason why high damage cross map ults on them are kinda unfair

I suk ClocksOct 18, 20161 votes

I think you are kind of confused about how laning works for an adc. Bot lane is actually won or lost in large by the support. But you aren't understanding the problem I'm trying to address, or why it is occurring. I can elaborate more if you would like.

LordGeovanniOct 18, 20161 votes

You are condemming anyone who happens to lose with an off meta support as if they are supposed to have a 100% win rate just because they are off meta and you assume your ally would know what they are doing because they picked it. Them loseing lane does not mean that they dont know how to make the off meta support work. and it wont always win just because its in your game. What im saying is that adcs that dont know flexability dont cost the lane more often than just an of meta support though not always them and there is always the chance that your enemy is better than you or that your team could happen to lose. I found Naut support mid season season 4 and could only manage between 49 and 51% win rate with that often because at the time it was considered troll despite him haveing good damage because he was a jungler and different cc in his kit and at the time defensive items were better than they are now. but you couldnt tell that to to 70% of people playing adc 10% understood and played well with it and the other 20% didnt comment on it. but it spoon fed people who were smart enough to follow up.

I suk ClocksOct 19, 20161 votes

Unfortunately, more often than not. People who play off Meta in solo q are condemning an entire team to adapt to their wonky decisions.

I'm not saying that it should be totally shunned by the community. I'm not asking people here to scream and rage and flame people for taking something off meta.

I'm just stating this, so quote me on this

You need to exercise EXTREME CAUTION when picking Off Meta champions.

You Should only do this if you are well practiced with and Capable enough with that champion to Adapt to your teammates play styles.

Forcing a completely unaware ADC or teammates in general to conform to your wonky play-style is in fact inappropriate.

If you wan't to try new things out, do it with a partner, try it in normal's first, then take it into ranked if you are comfortable , and only after it is TRIED AND TRUE then take that choice into solo Q and own it.

I play Gallo support myself, which is slightly abnormal, but I've mastered it. I own it, I know how to Adapt to my team with him. And I would never take a champion into lane with an ADC that strait up exaggerates the weaknesses of an ADC unless I am capable, and found a way to Compensate for that weakness.

See it's the whole false sense of entitlement that you and others with your mentality spread around the community that cause problems.

Yes absolutely, try new things, Meta is not the be all end all. It is NOT the only thing that can and does work. After all meta is what it is through experimentation. But don't you dare come into solo Q and try to guinea pig your four teammates, and if you do that you should face the consequences of it.

LordGeovanniOct 19, 20161 votes

Just as people have to consider how your adc plays you should consider how any of your teammates champion play.

Swiftstrike4Oct 18, 20161 votes

The actual support selected doesn't really matter in probably mid silver and lower. What matters is how they actually play and whether they actually try to support the team of if they intend to simply play the champion they want to play and do their own thing most of the game.

Supports are suppose to be teammate enablers. They are suppose to help teammates as much as they can in order to win the game, if the support is not trying to do that, then you probably won't win, regardless of which champion they select.

I suk ClocksOct 19, 20161 votes

Yeah and having some bad ass engage doesn't make you a support. Your primary function first and foremost has to be disengage. Can your kit reliably disengage a fight at the drop of a hat. If no, and no'one on your team is ready to fill that gap. Then get that bull crap outta here.

inplaneOct 18, 20161 votes

I can't really think of an off Meta Support who has no utility. Maybe someone like Katarina , but who the hell plays her as a Support at all. I mean, I've seen it once done with a premade 5 and it actually worked well, but that's it. Even odd picks like JarvanIV still have tons of utility.

I suk ClocksOct 19, 20161 votes

Yeah there are situations where Jarvan Support could be viable, but this guy had no concept of how to use his kit in a way that 100% kept me and himself safe. He had very low impact and influence on the lane.

If we had matched two persons with equal or even slightly lesser skill than myself it would have been a disaster, and 9/10 times when things go strait disaster on bot the adc is blamed, flamed, and reported which is aboslute bs.

Saying Jarvan has tons of Utility is a huge exaggeration btw.

I can pretty much guarantee Im going to wipe the floor with someone like Alistar against a Jarvan in lane any time any place any patch. Even if that support is a higher elo than me.

Ur tripping.

NarvuntienOct 19, 20161 votes

No not really, My primary function is to distrupt the enemy teams plans. That includes thier plan to kill you or thier set up for fights.

Different supports have different jobs and you have to play around them differently.

If they were just bad at thier off meta support they'd probably be bad at all supports they played.

I don't like off meta supports because I am a meta support main and when someone doesn't do thier job right it frustrates me I am not doing it. I will murder teemo supports I swear...

I had support Annie almost.. hard carry a game against me, only didn't work because we didn't tilt like most silver players do. I had Fiddlesticks actually hard carry a game (but they were Plat :/ ranked)

The question is not what support they play but how well they play it, especially in silver. Now in silver there is a high chance that their adc will have no idea how to deal with a werid support and it is much harder to hard carry from support as it is in bronze. So it does end in a wierd position.

RogueWillOct 19, 20161 votes

Well... play support yourself? This problem occurs because everyone on low elo thinks they have to carry themselves adn everyone else in there is shit, so everyone (and I mean everyone) wants to play a carry, if you need some utility so badly play it yourself (support or jungle) and you will see some of your games will be much easier to carry.

I suk ClocksOct 20, 20161 votes

I do play support often, This post is about Off meta supports who throw games. It has nothing to do with what I'm playing or not playing. I've seen it on my team and the enemies.. Im pointing out a recurring issue.

The people who try to argue this point are stretching from the comment to try and hear themselves speak. Learn how to talk about a topic.

Utility BacklineOct 20, 20161 votes

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I do play support often, This post is about Off meta supports who throw games. It has nothing to do with what I'm playing or not playing. I've seen it on my team and the enemies.. Im pointing out a recurring issue.

The people who try to argue this point are stretching from the comment to try and hear themselves speak. Learn how to talk about a topic.

I think this has more to do with the fragile ego of one little man. A man who could not handle admitting he is Bronze 1, construed a fake story that he is illegally playing on his Fiances account. An account with over 1 thousand ranked games. An account where if you look back on your forum post history (allow me to link :D )

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/player/NA/I%20suk%20Clocks?content_type=discussion

You see the following:

QQing about a mysterious Talon who can use his dash and it magically glitches and instantly kills you from 100% HP - 0%
A guy who admits to having over 500 ranked games played (proof this is YOUR account)
A guy who has a new fresh account that is slowly descending into Bronze 1 (your silver 5 account which is doing the standard start at 1400 ELO and has been falling to your true elo of B1)
A guy who when losing an argument states he has mental issues and disorders to explain away his poor behaviour (See I knew you got chat banned/14 day banned frequently)

Your history is riddled with proof you're unfit to play this game. This game is not for you, cause you lack the temperament to play it. This has nothing to do with off meta supports, and everything to do with a guy who has a big problem identifying his own weaknesses. Talon doesn't one shot with 1 ability, your anger issues are not excusable, this is your account and yes you've racked up a thousand ranked games and are indeed a B1 player, and you fail to see those around you that are trying to help you.

So why do you come to the forums? You're clearly not here to gain insight, so its not relevant that you say the following

The people who try to argue this point are stretching from the comment to try and hear themselves speak. Learn how to talk about a topic.

You have proven in your past history you are not here to discuss a topic. You want to make a cry baby post about something made up. For what purpose, I couldn't tell you, because you've already figured out that crying never nets you any sympathy and that the League of Legends community is filled with Riot Fanboys who never agree with you. So why do you come here? Why do you make posts? Why whenever you not receive sympathy do you instantly refer to everyone as fanboys, or create this radical lies (fiance, mental disorders, etc). Why not for once in your League life admit you just are not THAT good at the game, extend your arm, and get advice on how to better yourself. Or... don't bother posting. You achieve nothing creating bitch posts that no one can sympathize with because we all experience what you cry about, but know how to handle it.

See it is YOU who wants to hear himself speak. You come here to talk to yourself. Your nice little echo chamber where you have your weird little excuses. Pathetic.

~Utility Backline outta here.

I suk ClocksOct 20, 20161 votes

Im posting on this account, not playing on it, and I don;t do invites or requests on my main sorry. Alos it's not illegal to play on a joined account anyway.. Nice false info.. again

Utility BacklineOct 20, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=I suk Clocks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0iUe1fxE,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-20T19:01:40.628+0000)

Im posting on this account, not playing on it, and I don;t do invites or requests on my main sorry. Alos it's not illegal to play on a joined account anyway.. Nice false info.. again

I have checked every loss incurred on my account playing Bard. Not one single loss was from a Vayne or a P3. So you're lying. You don't have a P3 account either. Also, it IS illegal to play on any account that is NOT yours. 1 account per person, and NO joined account exists. Ask ANY Riot employee. In fact a Riot employee SHOULD comment to confirm this. It is against Riots ToS. Anyone here can confirm this. And you are playing on this account since you've admitted it in previous posts to other people. You're a pathalogical liar. Notice how you have not yet proven your Vayne game where you beat me when I played Bard? Its been 5 responses since you revealed you beat me. Yet when I check my entire match history I do not see this game. You confirmed it was 11 days ago, no such game exists. You're a liar. You're Bronze 1. Prove me wrong.

Utility BacklineOct 20, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=I suk Clocks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0iUe1fxE,comment-id=000a000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-20T19:01:40.628+0000)

I don;t do invites or requests on my main sorry.

I would never invite you. I just want the name of your account. Wanna know why you won't give it? Cause it does not exist. Rofl. So cringe.

Utility BacklineOct 20, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=I suk Clocks,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0iUe1fxE,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2016-10-20T15:51:55.166+0000)

I do play support often, This post is about Off meta supports who throw games. It has nothing to do with what I'm playing or not playing. I've seen it on my team and the enemies.. Im pointing out a recurring issue.

The people who try to argue this point are stretching from the comment to try and hear themselves speak. Learn how to talk about a topic.

FYI I am still waiting to see this mysterious Plat 3 account where you beat me on Vayne. Since you're ducking me I am going to assume you made that up, and are not man enough to admit it. I am dying to see this Platinum 3 account.

CalabokOct 19, 20161 votes

Your negative attitude against mage supports affects game play. So ultimately it was your fault

I suk ClocksOct 20, 20161 votes

JArvan isnt a mage, or a support.

Baby GhoulOct 20, 20161 votes

I see your point, but I also disagree with it because I know what ADCs are like as a support main.

The support needs to be able to do a lot with very little.

We don't scale well. We're usually 2-3 levels behind the enemy support. This creates issues for a lot of "off-meta" high damage supports. They fall off hard if they can't get the cheese early game. So I do see what you mean, less so now that I'm back in Gold.
Our income is the lowest out of all roles. You aren't going to be able to afford those big ticket items that make most off meta champions shine. On top of that you need to buy Sightstone, so that's 800 gold you need to give up already. All it gives you is vision and map control, but that's so crucial for the game and role.

So yeah playing Katarina Support isn't the best idea. What I see more often is Brand and Annie supports, and boy are they still making a risky pick. They're assuming that they can get ahead early, and those of us that spend most of our days bot lane know that wonky stuff happens. You winning your lane is not a given, and if they can get to 6 unharmed, your pick goes downhill from there. I know what kind of player you are when you pick those kinds of supports, and I'm going to act accordingly. It is usually best to pick a high utility support that isn't useless if they don't scale fast, but still those picks aren't completely useless.

At the same I hate when the ADC tries to dictate what you play, with a passion, and I don't even play off-meta supports. My main supports are Soraka, Janna, and Leona.

Vayne Play Braum Jhin Braum wins games Caitlyn Bans your pick because you didn't pick Braum

A support pick usually isn't the reason you lost. When a support gets an ADC that is having a bad game we usually can't do much else besides ward for them and roam, hoping for the best. We're designed to create opportunities for the team to make plays, so if you can't even kite that's a bit of a problem for us. When you realize your ADC can barely farm, doing anything more will result in your death or both of your deaths.

An ADC has damage, if they can focus on farming, even if they get bullied out of lane a lot and pushed under turret initially, they can make a comeback late game. They do damage, and they scale. Your chances aren't entirely tied to how well the support is doing. That's why the support role is least popular, and that's why so many people turn to KSing supports in Silver. Getting creative and trying to reshape the game is a lot more difficult as a utility support when your team is failing because this game is built around damage.

Someone playing a basic functioning support is the bare bones, and you can do just fine with any champion watching you farm and warding for you. I don't believe you lost because of a support pick unless they fed like crazy. You're going to get so much further when you stop blaming others for how you play. You're rarely going to have the perfect teammates, trust me.

TammithOct 21, 20161 votes

I just checked his history as well... no games where his bard lost to a p3 vayne... only a loss to a lucian gold player. also utility is right. not sure how u thought you could lie about a game that never happened... not with op.gg existing... you can see every game played including customs lul... it is illegal to share an account, you cannot post on the forums and you you cannot play games on it. n ur smurf called Aurelion Soul NA is already slipping into bronze 1 same as i suk clocks which probably makes utility right in saying both accounts are yours.

Liars never prosper.