Off Meta Supports losing games in ranked

I suk Clocks·10/18/2016, 6:49:29 PM·6 votes·1,969 views

I've been noticing a lot of people trying to play off meta champions as support in silver elo.

Although I don't typically have a problem with people playing something they are good with, and playing whatever wherever. It's really hard for an adc to do their job if the support is trying too hard to carry the game and sacrificing the needed utility on a team.

I mean, I'm a pretty good adc, but even with ashe I cannot self peel their entire team.

If you're going to play something that has no utility as support, you better carry the game. Otherwise consider yourself the reason your team lost.

45 Comments

Maximum Morde10/18/2016, 7:01:30 PM3 votes

I accept my limitations and the fact that I probably instigated a loss by tilting my team in champ select. All the same, what were you other 4 clowns doing the whole game? I am not the team. I am a single part.

NiamhNyx10/18/2016, 6:55:24 PM3 votes

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If you're going to play something that has no utility as support, you better carry the game. Otherwise consider yourself the reason your team lost.

Thats cute, your still as much of the reason your team lost as they would have been because you weren't good enough to carry with an off meta support. See same thing can be turned on yourself, just ignore it an play. Otherwise you will never climb.

k wìx10/18/2016, 7:29:11 PM2 votes

Eh, it sounds like you have less of a problem with 'off-meta' and more of a problem with supports who don't freakin' support, you know, the ones who go full damage, don't ward, and certainly don't peel for you? This is just bad supporting, and it never goes away - not even in gold/plat levels.

This is why Mobility is so critical for a soloQ ADC to have, because if you dont trust your support, at least you can farm safely. Bad players will never go away, your best option is to do the best you can with each game, and try to figure out as early as possible if you can trust your support.

as a Solo support main, this happens every game - if I trust my ADC, i will empower the HELL out of him, but if I determine he's garbage (And I firmly believe and trust that im a good judge after 2000+ games), then I will subvert his lane for my gain and just sorta play around him, protecting him enough to ensure feeding doesn't happen. Usually he will question my sexuality, and then threaten to report me. But I have a higher chance of winning, so .. eh.

Utility Backline10/19/2016, 7:05:50 AM2 votes

So I think you have yet to realize the golden rule about Ranked. You cannot change your allies and opponents therefore it is pointless to consider them. You can only better yourself. At every ELO there exists something you are fundamentally missing. At Bronze/Silver/Gold it is very easy to point to what you are doing wrong.

Lets begin:

Runepage: Two Tier 2 movement speed quints. Do not start ranked until you have a full Tier 3 page. Movement speed sucks on ADC, remove those. Scaling attack damage glyphs? Sucks. Remove those. Flat attack damage marks, flat armor seals, magic resist glyphs, and attack speed quints.

Source - http://www.probuilds.net/pros/details/doublelift

Mastery Page: Switch Wanderer for Savagery. Switch Oppressor for Bounty Hunter.

Source - http://www.probuilds.net/pros/details/doublelift

Ranked Champ Pool: You have played over 10 games on 24 champions this season. This is very bad. It shows you take ranked casually. You always specialize and build a 3 max champ pool per role you play. In this Dynamic Season you only needed to truly learn 6 champs (3 per role). Instead your stats show you as a guy who just sort of practiced champions in ranked. You also have 31 additional champs you have less than 10 games on. 55 unique champs played this season. Too much.

Source - http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=I+suk+Clocks+

Vision: In your last 20 ranked matches you have purchased a combined 8 pinks. That is an insanely low amount of counter vision. What makes that stat even worse is that 9 of 20 matches were on the Support role. In my last 20 I have 70 pink wards purchased as a comparison.

Sources: (You need to set the matches history to Ranked to see the last 20 ranked, so it doesn't include normal or custom matches) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=I+suk+Clocks+ & http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=utility+backline

Champ Builds: Your builds are all over the place. You seem to have no standard build set, and while the argument could be made that games are unique. It is more likely that games follow a set pattern in lower elos. In 3 of your last 20 games you forgot to upgrade your sweeper. Looking at your Sona game from 10 days ago, your build starts off as a heavy ability power build (sorc boots, lich) then you start going tank. You don't ward a lot (9 wards), zero pinks, zero wards countered. Your dmg looks subpar for a ap aggro build. It looks like you did not fully commit to your strategy. Evidence of this in multiple games but I won't list everything, just be mindful of what your strategy is going into a match, and don't deviate from it.

Source: http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=I+suk+Clocks+

Summation:

You play too many champs and build sub-optimally. Go to probuilds.net and copy pros pages and builds. Forget your allies and only focus on you. There is a lot to fix about your own play, and that is the only part of this game you can fix. Stick to only playing 2 roles and pick 3 champs per role. 1 champ in each role should be someone you practice DAILY.

My Advice:

Role 1 - ADC: 1. Ashe 2. Sivir 3. Not Vayne

Role 2 - Support: 1. Janna 2. Easy Tank (Tahm Kench/Alistar) 3. No Hook Champions.

Why? Your Ashe has decent stats, and a good winrate you obviously are best with Ashe. Vayne sucks, don't play Vayne you will likely never be good enough mechanically to master Vayne. Sivir is safe and her utility is valued at very elo. Janna is the easiest support to play in League. Tahm is super good for tank supports, and when practiced can provide a lot of unique strategies with his ult that should dumpster low elo. Ali is a basic champ as well, although he is receiving a rework so maybe consider not practicing him. Hook champs are like Vayne. Unless you play them every game 10 games a day, and truly increase your skill, do not play them.

~Utility Backline I'm just a genius.

Zach Sandwhich10/18/2016, 8:23:13 PM2 votes

If you're good at something by all means play it. But don't experiment in ranked

BGH10/18/2016, 6:50:48 PM2 votes

In this game if u don't play the meta you lose. In before downvotes and haters.

Calabok10/19/2016, 11:23:18 PM1 votes

Your negative attitude against mage supports affects game play. So ultimately it was your fault

Baby Ghoul10/20/2016, 7:31:02 PM1 votes

I see your point, but I also disagree with it because I know what ADCs are like as a support main.

The support needs to be able to do a lot with very little.

We don't scale well. We're usually 2-3 levels behind the enemy support. This creates issues for a lot of "off-meta" high damage supports. They fall off hard if they can't get the cheese early game. So I do see what you mean, less so now that I'm back in Gold.
Our income is the lowest out of all roles. You aren't going to be able to afford those big ticket items that make most off meta champions shine. On top of that you need to buy Sightstone, so that's 800 gold you need to give up already. All it gives you is vision and map control, but that's so crucial for the game and role.

So yeah playing Katarina Support isn't the best idea. What I see more often is Brand and Annie supports, and boy are they still making a risky pick. They're assuming that they can get ahead early, and those of us that spend most of our days bot lane know that wonky stuff happens. You winning your lane is not a given, and if they can get to 6 unharmed, your pick goes downhill from there. I know what kind of player you are when you pick those kinds of supports, and I'm going to act accordingly. It is usually best to pick a high utility support that isn't useless if they don't scale fast, but still those picks aren't completely useless.

At the same I hate when the ADC tries to dictate what you play, with a passion, and I don't even play off-meta supports. My main supports are Soraka, Janna, and Leona.

Vayne Play Braum Jhin Braum wins games Caitlyn Bans your pick because you didn't pick Braum

A support pick usually isn't the reason you lost. When a support gets an ADC that is having a bad game we usually can't do much else besides ward for them and roam, hoping for the best. We're designed to create opportunities for the team to make plays, so if you can't even kite that's a bit of a problem for us. When you realize your ADC can barely farm, doing anything more will result in your death or both of your deaths.

An ADC has damage, if they can focus on farming, even if they get bullied out of lane a lot and pushed under turret initially, they can make a comeback late game. They do damage, and they scale. Your chances aren't entirely tied to how well the support is doing. That's why the support role is least popular, and that's why so many people turn to KSing supports in Silver. Getting creative and trying to reshape the game is a lot more difficult as a utility support when your team is failing because this game is built around damage.

Someone playing a basic functioning support is the bare bones, and you can do just fine with any champion watching you farm and warding for you. I don't believe you lost because of a support pick unless they fed like crazy. You're going to get so much further when you stop blaming others for how you play. You're rarely going to have the perfect teammates, trust me.

Tammith10/21/2016, 12:10:47 AM1 votes

I just checked his history as well... no games where his bard lost to a p3 vayne... only a loss to a lucian gold player. also utility is right. not sure how u thought you could lie about a game that never happened... not with op.gg existing... you can see every game played including customs lul... it is illegal to share an account, you cannot post on the forums and you you cannot play games on it. n ur smurf called Aurelion Soul NA is already slipping into bronze 1 same as i suk clocks which probably makes utility right in saying both accounts are yours.

Liars never prosper.

LordGeovanni10/18/2016, 7:08:24 PM1 votes

1 loss doesnt mean that they arent good at their off meta support and the thing about off meta supports is that adc players usually dont let anything stop them from playing their standard how they want to play not poke orintated support not engage ones not off meta ones once that adc player decides they want to do what is normal they do it no matter if they are contributeing to easy fights or not. and part of the reason why high damage cross map ults on them are kinda unfair

Swiftstrike410/18/2016, 7:47:35 PM1 votes

The actual support selected doesn't really matter in probably mid silver and lower. What matters is how they actually play and whether they actually try to support the team of if they intend to simply play the champion they want to play and do their own thing most of the game.

Supports are suppose to be teammate enablers. They are suppose to help teammates as much as they can in order to win the game, if the support is not trying to do that, then you probably won't win, regardless of which champion they select.

inplane10/18/2016, 10:27:59 PM1 votes

I can't really think of an off Meta Support who has no utility. Maybe someone like Katarina , but who the hell plays her as a Support at all. I mean, I've seen it once done with a premade 5 and it actually worked well, but that's it. Even odd picks like JarvanIV still have tons of utility.

Narvuntien10/19/2016, 5:10:37 AM1 votes

No not really, My primary function is to distrupt the enemy teams plans. That includes thier plan to kill you or thier set up for fights.

Different supports have different jobs and you have to play around them differently.

If they were just bad at thier off meta support they'd probably be bad at all supports they played.

I don't like off meta supports because I am a meta support main and when someone doesn't do thier job right it frustrates me I am not doing it. I will murder teemo supports I swear...

I had support Annie almost.. hard carry a game against me, only didn't work because we didn't tilt like most silver players do. I had Fiddlesticks actually hard carry a game (but they were Plat :/ ranked)

The question is not what support they play but how well they play it, especially in silver. Now in silver there is a high chance that their adc will have no idea how to deal with a werid support and it is much harder to hard carry from support as it is in bronze. So it does end in a wierd position.

RogueWill10/19/2016, 11:21:05 PM1 votes

Well... play support yourself? This problem occurs because everyone on low elo thinks they have to carry themselves adn everyone else in there is shit, so everyone (and I mean everyone) wants to play a carry, if you need some utility so badly play it yourself (support or jungle) and you will see some of your games will be much easier to carry.