Petition to change how Key Fragments are earned.

Arthimetes·Jun 18, 2016·22 votes·1,473 views

Right now Key Frags are earned very vaguely: "Do I need to get an S" "Do I need to play a lot of games" "when do they reset"

I think there should be a sort of daily, or even weekly, challenge to EARN key frags, and it could still easily be tied to the mastery system.

Something like "Earn an S rank on three different champions today" or "Earn 5 mastery score today"

That way it ENCOURAGES players to actually play your game instead of making them think: "well no more drop for a while, might as well go play something else" because face it, most people are LOADED with chests and barely ever get to open them, unless they want to step behind the paywall to get the Keys.

I mean why encourage players to play by giving them chests on S ranks, then push them away by making them wait forever for that RNG key fragment

29 Comments

CatastropJun 18, 20168 votes

What's so vague about "win"? It's plain RNG.

ArthimetesJun 18, 20162 votes

but the problem being if you earn too many you get practically locked out of earning key frags, with no timer or indication of when you can get them again.

Rito announced they did this but there's no possible way to view that timer or even get a single clue of when it ends.

so when you can get keys is vague at best.

LeeerzeichenJun 18, 20166 votes

Actually the formula looks like this: base-% / (1 + number-of-keys-earned-this-month). And if i remember correctly base-% was something like 80% or so.

So your chance earning a key would be: 80%, 40%, 20%, 10%, 5%, 2.5%, 1.25%, ...

ArthimetesJun 18, 20161 votes

yes, so on average a solo player would have to WIN roughly 85 games in a month to get enough key fragments to open the 4 chests you can get the same day.

so based on a 50% winrate that would mean you would have to play ~190 games per month, maybe more or less based on RNG before it resets sometime next month.

Personally I havent gotten a single key in my past 20 or so games

LeeerzeichenJun 18, 20164 votes

i always get 4-5 keys per month

ArthimetesJun 18, 20164 votes

Either you're RNGesus or you have an above-average playrate/winrate.

Either way gratz.

RoodToobJun 18, 20164 votes

on average, your supposed to be able to get 3-4 keys per month. Same as chests. Of course you'll get them more often if you win more, or play in a premade, but its definitely possible as a solo. I get about one key (so 3 fragments) for every chest i open, and i don't play insane amounts of league

RisenDarkKnightJun 19, 20162 votes

It's literally impossible to get 5 keys per month. You're capped at 4 keys (like the 4 chests).

AmelieJun 18, 20163 votes

What's wrong with that exactly? You have to play/win/(AKA grind) a lot to earn your 100% free content. Isn't it like this in most free-to-play games? If they even offer content like that at all.

Personally, I have unlocked every single chest with my key fragment drops, and I have only one chest waiting to be earned. And yeah, I do get around 80 wins a month. I get my 4+ keys a month, and have since the hextech system started.

The ideas you posted would make it WAY more difficult to get keys...

AeszarckJun 19, 20162 votes

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What's wrong with that exactly? You have to play/win/(AKA grind) a lot to earn your 100% free content. Isn't it like this in most free-to-play games? If they even offer content like that at all.

Personally, I have unlocked every single chest with my key fragment drops, and I have only one chest waiting to be earned. And yeah, I do get around 80 wins a month. I get my 4+ keys a month, and have since the hextech system started.

The ideas you posted would make it WAY more difficult to get keys...

I agree! I'm sitting on more chests than you, but I realize that is because I'm simply not winning enough and that if I played more, I'd definitely be able to get keys. Also, I'm pretty happy with the rate at which I earn things for the quality of the things I'm getting. Hextech stuff is so valuable. Each shard is pretty much 1/3 the RP cost of the item, which is insane when you think about how obtaining content was previously. I'm so happy that I've been given a way to earn cosmetic content without spending money, and I think that the low chance for key drops is a justifiable restriction to prevent casual players from getting content too fast, and also a good reward for those daily gamers who put in countless hours into League.

Earning multiple S ranks in a day is pretty ridiculous (I can rarely get S-'s), and getting mastery score is even more ridiculous because it's literally something that has a hard cap, and is also pretty difficult to get beyond levels one and two. Levels three and four require a fair amount of grinding, and level five takes a substantial amount of time (about twenty matches, which is really quite a lot, assuming you win fifty percent of your matches). Levels six and seven take an even larger amount of time, because getting S ranks can be quite difficult, and getting champion shards can take a really long time (justifiably long, because levels six and seven should take longer than level five, and people are not entitled to their level six and seven mastery, even if said people are mains of those champions they are trying to get mastery on).

Lady HammerlockJun 19, 20161 votes

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Actually the formula looks like this: base-% / (1 + number-of-keys-earned-this-month). And if i remember correctly base-% was something like 80% or so.

So your chance earning a key would be: 80%, 40%, 20%, 10%, 5%, 2.5%, 1.25%, ...

What about accounting party members,I'm pretty sure it increases with the amount of people partied

LeeerzeichenJun 19, 20161 votes

Yeah, there also was something about party members, but it wasn't really impact full if i remember correctly

edit found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeagueOfMeta/comments/4f2vgw/hextech_crafting_key_fragment_droprate_formula/

GaleWinUnleashedJun 18, 20164 votes

I'm still not understanding this complaint. I've earned every possible chest I can so far, and have been able to open every single one of them within a day or two. Right now I have zero chests and zero key fragments, in fact; perfect balance.

ArthimetesJun 18, 20161 votes

Well I'm currently sitting on 3 chests and 1 key fragment.

TragicTricksJun 18, 20163 votes

Im the opposite im loaded with key fragments with no chest to open... i have to keep waiting for my chest to respawn

CatastropJun 19, 20161 votes

Same, it doesn't help that I literally have no inclination to play other champions than the ones I have chests on...well that or the other few I do play are just hard to get chests with item 3070 Azir

QuortJun 19, 20162 votes

S Rank on three different Champions in one day? That's ok, I didn't want any Key Fragments anyway.

Earn 5 Mastery Score today? Oh well, I guess I'll just hold onto these unopened boxes.

Seriously, not everyone can play 24/7. :|

ArthimetesJun 19, 20161 votes

I gave examples, I'm not Riot and I'm sure they'd make different challenges.

I'm not saying "those 2 and nothing else"

QuortJun 19, 20163 votes

Yes, but if you're going to make suggestions they should at least be reasonable. In any case, I think the current system of key distribution is fine.

AeszarckJun 19, 20163 votes

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S Rank on three different Champions in one day? That's ok, I didn't want any Key Fragments anyway.

Earn 5 Mastery Score today? Oh well, I guess I'll just hold onto these unopened boxes.

Seriously, not everyone can play 24/7. :|

From what I see, the OP's suggestion would be forcing people into playing even more for keys than one has to right now, and also making it way more complex. Keys are literally just chances from wins. Everyone plays to win.

420 gramsJun 18, 20161 votes

I need to wait to get one more fragment, so I can open my chest and hopefully get something I can disenchant into blue essence to get level 6 mastery. It's nice that they have this system now so you don't have to strictly pay to get skins, but it could be more simple and fair.

ArakadiaJun 18, 20161 votes

I hope they remove the fact that premades are the main way to get frags. Its too hard otherwise imho.

Communist ToastJun 18, 20161 votes

it's just a RNG every time you win a match, with an increase % rate if you group with people I believe

ArthimetesJun 19, 20161 votes

Yes, but a RNG that goes DOWN every time you actually manage to get a key fragment, Resetting every "???"

Communist ToastJun 19, 20161 votes

so you are fine with how it's earned, you just want a timer to tell you when it resets?

ArthimetesJun 19, 20161 votes

At the very least there SHOULD be a timer.

But I would prefer a daily challenge or task to complete to earn them, it feels better to know you earned a key fragment rather than sitting on 2 hoping to get lucky enough for the 3rd to drop

MhihnjJun 19, 20161 votes

most people are LOADED with chests

I have 5 keys........

Reaper SorakaJun 19, 20161 votes

If you look at your champion list -- you can earn chests by earning an S on the champions with the chest faded out. I think it's only on your very first S with the champions though.