Nidalee Nerfs on the PBE Do Not Address the Real Problem

kcStranger··4 votes·936 views

The following is currently being tested on the PBE:

Nidalee Base HP reduced to 511 from 541 HP Growth reduced to 75 from 90 Primal Surge (Human E) cooldown increased to 16 seconds from 12 seconds.

I posted about this nerf before (http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ahwk1cA2-nidalee-nerfs-on-pbe-overkill) and got a lot of feedback, and I think I finally figured out how I feel about this: Nidalee does need a bit of a nerf, but this is the wrong nerf.

The most notable part of this nerf is the HP reduction (30 at level 1, increasing to 285 at level 18). That's pretty hefty, actually (80-760 gold value), especially with another nerf thrown in. And to be honest I like the fact that Nidalee adds to jungler diversity by being one of only a handful of truly viable mage junglers, and by far the most popular one in pro play.

In my opinion, the truly obnoxious ability on Nidalee is Javelin Toss--specifically the range-based damage increase. The base damage is 50/75/100/125/150 +40% AP, but that increases to 150-450 + 120% AP at max range (3x damage multiplier). That's better than a lot of ultimates. Now, I understand that Nidalee doesn't have a conventional ultimate, but she gets access to three cougar-form abilities to compensate. And the cool factor of landing a Javelin to trigger a hunt and pounce in with the cougar-form abilities is somewhat lost when the Javelin Toss itself simply deletes the opposing champion.

My suggestion would be to nerf the range-based damage increase on Javelin toss to something like 2.5x. Reducing the AP ratio is another option, though I personally don't like it as much. By the numbers, Nidalee isn't actually that OP (52% winrate in Diamond, lower in other leagues likely due to her rise in popularity), so I don't think a large nerf is needed, but a change like this would take the edge off of her ability to randomly delete people. It would also offer greater incentives for her to jump in with cougar form (since she wouldn't just kill her opponent with Javelin Toss as often) while not further punishing her for doing so (as nerfing her health would do).

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

7 Comments

thinking man2 votes

What they do when a champion is strong is prune random things that make a difference but people don't immediately notice. Also, a large reason why Nid gets nerfed often is because she's pretty much universally hated.

kcStranger2 votes

Can you tell me why people hate her so much? I'm new-ish to the game (been playing since October), and although I don't play Nidalee, I don't have nearly the ire for her that others seem to have. I just want to see her balanced, and I honestly don't think she's that far off, but from some people's comments you'd think she was broken in half.

BluePolarizer3 votes

Nidalee isn't that good in lower elos including even gold/plat most of the time, because they absolutely have to snowball to make a difference, is allergic to the high damage hard engage bruisers like Vi, J4, etc. that prevails at these elos and farms slower than many conventional junglers, forcing her to take rangers instead of chilling smite. What Nidalee jungle does in higher elos is provide a strategy for poke teams and a ranged AP jungler.

DJ Di01 votes

The nerfs hit her pretty hard, but they don't prohibit her from assassinating when she plays right; that's Riot's plan.

With this change, she'll be squishier and will be less sustained in the jungle, allowing other junglers to counterjungle and fight her. She'll still have her damaging spears and be able to assassinate like she should be able to, but it will be riskier.

Unfortunately this change also affects Mid and Top lane Nidalee, as well.

Generalist1 votes

I would much rather increase cooldown on her javalin toss but not her cougar equivalent and have her rewarded with extra damage for landing it than nerfing its damage outright. Make it a decision for nid plays to save it or use it rather than almost every moment its off cd let it fly!

Abishai 771 votes

her spear hits to hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fix it please

Antonok1 votes

It's not the right way to go about it. Plain and simple. Just puts her on the squishy level of Eve.

All they have to do is increase the CD for her Pounce (keep the reset), take the AP scaling off her Takedown (dunno why they added that), and remove her AS from her human E.

Everyone wants to complain about the spears but that's her 'identity' ability. It's her unique mechanic (skillshot that gains power as it flies). And with the above proposed changes, she now can be caught easier, isn't as good of a split pusher, and still rewarded for having to go in to get the kill. Just nerfing her health is going to relegate her back to Season 3 when all she did was sit in the back line and chuck spears all day.

Hell, I'd love it if they completely removed her heal, changed it to some other steroid, and gave her cougar form back it's old defense bonuses. Make true bruiser nidalee again.

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