@Riot, I just played Xin Zhao for the first time

Espurr VI·Feb 12, 2016·140 votes·6,133 views

The first items I built were Rageblade and Devourer. I was able to solo Rift Herald, and several juggernauts including: Dr Mundo and Darius, both of which had Thornmail, as well as go against 3 champions at a time and still come out unscathed. I died a few times because, well, I'm new to Xin Zhao. But as soon as I got the feel for him, I never died.

I seriously think you need to re-evaluate your balance team, because this... THIS, is absolutely ridiculous.

By the way, Dr Mundo, who I could duel without a sweat, had over 300 armor.

82 Comments

DeusVultFeb 13, 201642 votes

I know that this is going to get downvoted, but w/e

(Xin didnt deserve any sort of buffs)

Xin winning a 1v1 against the like of Darius/Mundo isnt unheard of. Xin is a very strong duelist. Thats just what he does.

They both had thornmail??? Thornmail is trash atm, and Xins passive (reducing target armor by 15%) only serves to make thornmail worse since it relies upon having bonus armor.

They had high amounts of armor??? Xin building sated + rageblade deals a TON of magic damage. And his passive reduces armor. So, as far as that goes, IDK what you were expecting

is Xin strong right now?? YES. because Riot just gave him some Lee Sin/Zed/Vayne type buffs for not simply being a priority pick. When he did not need that in the slightest. But for the most part your complaining about things that Xin already does and has done forever; be a strong duelist and beat people that stack armor. IDK what you really expected

The EcdysiastFeb 13, 20168 votes

The issue is the extent.

He was already doing that before the buffs.

He didn't need buffs. Buffs are for champions who aren't doing what they're intended to.

kile147Feb 13, 20161 votes

Thornmail passive is not affected by armor reductions from what I remember. One of the few favors Riot did for it which was basically required given that item 3071 exists.

CanidaeFeb 13, 201612 votes

Can't Master Yi and some other junglers solo rift herald w/ sated and rageblade? I've seen Cowsep do it a few times w/ Yi.

Also Sated Devourer and Rageblade have passives that deal large amounts of magic dmg, actually the dmg deal is very comparable to the physical dmg dealt to the target. A frequent mistake I've seen ppl make in games is going full armor vs builds like these.

DrehirthFeb 13, 20164 votes

pretty sure all devourer junglers can solo rift herald... last game I soloed it as shyvanna with devourer (19 stacks) recurve bow and 2 longswords. I haven't been playing against xin but just saying soloing herald doesn't= broken (i'm still banning xin anyway though lol)

Ariel the CruelFeb 13, 201612 votes

I'm banning Xin because the bastard heals more than an ulting Mundo in a fight right now. That used to be limited to AP Xin who hit like a wet noodle. Now I'm just having horrible flashbacks of release Xin.

. . . Though, terrifyingly, Current Xin is still nowhere near as OP.

plantersFeb 13, 20161 votes

ive played this xin, if release xin was even more powerful i shudder to imagine how terrifying he was

Ariel the CruelFeb 13, 20162 votes

1v5 penta.

I'll just leave it at that.

Bodkins OddsFeb 13, 20164 votes

The Jungler's with the easiest time soloing Baron are, in no particular order, XinZhao , Shyvana , Warwick , Tryndamere , Udyr , and Aatrox with honorable mentions to Shaco , Yorick , & Annie .

yoniameFeb 14, 20161 votes

annie shaco not really

Duke AnaxFeb 13, 20161 votes

Aatrox can easily solo Rift Herald with Devourer and Ninja Tabi too.

The Bíg TicketFeb 13, 20162 votes

You don't even need Devourer or be a jungler to solo it....Jax and Tryndamere can do it easily at like level 9-10.

Dominick DestineFeb 12, 201611 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sit Down Son VI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dO9sN1hB,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-02-12T21:25:35.333+0000)

I died a few times because, well, I'm new to Xin Zhao.

There is very little difference between "experienced Xin Zhao player" and "new Xin Zhao player"/

By the way, Dr Mundo, who I could duel without a sweat, had over 300 armor.

You mentioned armor before and now a second time... do you not understand that Devourer and Rageblade both provide MAGIC damage?

Espurr VIFeb 12, 20164 votes

I understand what you mean, but it's 60 magic damage on Devourer, and 45 magic damage on Guinsoos. On a double hit, that's a total of 230 Magic resistance, versus the 600 physical damage I've already done.

Dominick DestineFeb 12, 20166 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sit Down Son VI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dO9sN1hB,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-02-12T21:32:01.417+0000)

I understand what you mean, but it's 60 magic damage on Devourer

50 magic damage. 100 on second hit.

and 45 magic damage on Guinsoos. On a double hit, that's a total of 230 Magic resistance, versus the 600 physical damage I've already done.

600 physical damage? that's arguably wrong.

That being said, you are talking about itemization, and in your phantom scenario your character is itemized to deal magic damage through items more than physical damage.... making a statement about the target having high armor is meaningless.

CherysseFeb 12, 20166 votes

:D Rito: we give a fk, welcome to the new Xin meta

ARequestOfDeathFeb 13, 20164 votes

THIS IS WORSE THAN RELEASE XIN FUCKING ZHAO

HandheldBrandonFeb 13, 20164 votes

Not even fucking close.

I was there when he was super crazy and i can tell you right now Release Xin would utterly stomp this Xin any day of the weak. All it took was 1-2 kills on release Xin and the entire game was lost.

This Xin can be shutdown hard if he can't keep up in farm/kills.

Ad InfinitumFeb 13, 20161 votes

{quoted}

THIS IS WORSE THAN RELEASE XIN FUCKING ZHAO

lol nope. its pretty close though. I stopped playing League for a bit when he got released cuz it was a menace.

Hairy MolesturFeb 13, 20164 votes

I also can solo baron and juggernauts in bronze 5 matches

Only Play DariusFeb 13, 20162 votes

Lmao ikr

It's especially easy to secure him there because they waste their bans on shit like Yasuo and Illaoi

The EcdysiastFeb 13, 20163 votes

The Rank of player doesn't determine the strength of the monsters.

The lack of intervention is something that wouldn't be seen higher up.

But the fact a champion has in his kit the means to do this at all is the problem.

Try thinking before you type.

ViiLLAiNFeb 12, 20163 votes

lol maybe cuz xin does mix dmg with rsgeblade and u need magic resist and armor lmfao everything is broken cuz no one builds tanky

Espurr VIFeb 12, 201625 votes

Mundo had 300 armor and about 200 MR I believe, as well as over 4000 HP.

And I was able to easily out-duel him, with his ult active.

YumaS2AstralFeb 13, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sit Down Son VI,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dO9sN1hB,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-02-12T21:37:19.690+0000)

Mundo had 300 armor and about 200 MR I believe, as well as over 4000 HP.

And I was able to easily out-duel him, with his ult active.

Can you provide a link to the battle?

Solis DeusFeb 13, 20166 votes

to the...battle? Dafuq? I think you mean a link to the game statistics... http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Sit+Down+Son+VI just go to the first xin zhao game and click expand.

resumedFeb 13, 20163 votes

they mean the match in your match history

you can get to this page by viewing the game in your match history and clicking "View on the web" and it will take you

you can also find it by clicking your username in the top right corner of the browser and clicking "match history" and clicking the game

hope i cleared up some confusion!

FistOfSharkieshaFeb 13, 201610 votes

That was close to 110 MR at most. His only MR item was ZZrot. You can duel Mundo because his sustained damage isn't enormous. Mundo excels at being a frontliner to soak up damage and he can duel champions with poor sustained damage such as Rengar. Skarner, Trundle, Yi, Udyr, Xin Zhao, Vi can all duel him. Xin is especially good at dueling him because Mundo builds 100% defensive, relying solely on his AD steroid and % health damage. Xin can heal himself as fast as Mundo can damage him and this has always been true.

Before the buffs he was a very low winrate jungler, now he's still about 10% lower than Udyr, and about 5% lower than Yi and Shyvana. Truth is there are champions with stronger early game and stronger lategame. A warwick/Aatrox can drain tank just as well as Xin Zhao and an Udyr/Shyvana/Yi/Trundle/Skarner can do more damage.

theArtifactsFeb 13, 20162 votes

Yep

yoniameFeb 14, 20161 votes

but aatrox can do it only every 240sec, he has no cc and enemy can run away anytime

FistOfSharkieshaFeb 14, 20161 votes

Aatrox no CC??? His CC is almost identical to Xin's but his slow has a far longer duration at max rank.

yoniameFeb 14, 20162 votes

also 5% of your hp is gone with it and its the easiest to dodge spell probably in game, but yeah you are right

RumplewangFeb 13, 20163 votes

Yawn I could do the same on Yi before devour or Rageblade were ever added, its called being a duelist.

yoniameFeb 14, 20161 votes

Yi is a bad example

WutsKrakenFeb 13, 20163 votes

Even without the buff, Xin Zhao could still defeat both of them with those items. Seriously, if you've laned as Xin Zhao you can easily crush both of them because Xin Zhao's all-in damage is so much stronger if you just dodge either of their Q's and immediately engage, or even use Audacious Charge to dodge their poke

Also item 3931 item 3124 is the real problem, not XinZhao . Heck Thornmail means nothing to XinZhao MasterYi Udyr with those items because they're not dealing strictly physical damage. At least half of it is MAGIC damage and some of it is TRUE damage both of which IGNORE item 3075 . Maybe Yi is slightly more affected, but XinZhao Udyr have built-in sustain to shrug off the Thorns while dishing out mixed damage

Hemulen MagiFeb 13, 20163 votes

I already banned XinZhao Xin Zhao before this update because of the bullshit that is item 3931 Devourer Xin.

Riot has literally taken a ridiculous early snowball stomping champion and given him massive lategame hyperscaling. He no longer falls off and just outduels 95% of the champion pool at every stage of the game while scattering his opponents and sustaining himself through teamfights. Xin was overpowered with the right build before this patch, and Riot has pushed him waaaayyyy over the edge with these last buffs.

It's like if Riot gave Nasus Nasus a gapcloser and stun to turn him into a lane bully in addition to his hyperscaling.

What are we supposed to do against XinZhao Xin? Expect our jungler to counterjungle an earlygame duelist so he can't get item 3931 ??? Devote all of our team's CC to lock him down for the entire duration of a teamfight because he is built half-tank??? Send 3 people to stop him if he decides to splitpush so that he can get a double-kill 1v3???

StrabaneFeb 13, 20162 votes

I actually just bought him and played him as well. Although we lost the game because my team were udder fuck ups, we had 19 kills, and 16 of those were mine lol. He is pretty damn broken.

GhastlyGhoulManFeb 13, 20162 votes

yeah I soloed baron and took no damage. Xin is stupid op right now.

How Do IFeb 13, 20163 votes

I KNOW RIGHT. I was 1v1ing (I don't know if that'a a word but anyways) my friend and he was Xin. So i can kill him (sometimes) but he stays out of lane and then sooner or later he just got baron. XinZhao + item 3931 + item 3124 = OP XinZhao

43161549_DELFeb 13, 20162 votes

Well xin get solo rift harold before the buff.... but yeah

GenghisEmoFeb 13, 20162 votes

item 3075 was gutted later half of S5 if i recall, and it is still pretty much gutted.

So go item 3742 item 3143 item 3110 item 3068 (Frozen heart isnt as good anymore, but i think it is better than Thorn)

Still, a low skill cap champ that also gets some synergy from item 3124 and Lifesteal items, and a possible item 3057 has always been weak-ish, and strong-ish like the bane of low elo Jax, Yi, Udyr (you know the Sated champs we have come to know and love/hate). So im curious why they buffed him.

foinhasFeb 13, 20161 votes

they buffed him because a xin that doesn't go devourer+rageblade sucks in the lategame. With these buffs riot was expecting some more diversity in his builds. But rageblade is so broken that other builds are just insignificant in comparation

GenghisEmoFeb 13, 20162 votes

Then Ez is getting buffs since Blue Ez sucks late game?!

That would be so freaking weird of Riot to do, just got a weird thought in my head.

But yes, Rageblade not great late, but non the less, a competent Xin would win it before late game, like competent Blue Ez would too.

What they need to do, is possibly stop OPing items. Seems like the best way to offer diversity. Rageblade is the issue i think. So busted other champs are to an extent out shinning Xin since others synergize more OP with it. So the buffs don't do much to solve the actual issue, it is just a band aid on a bubu XD

xxxDogmanxxxFeb 13, 20162 votes

Pretty sure the problem is item 3931 + item 3124 , not XinZhao .

SkiasFeb 13, 20162 votes

This is the problem we have. Repetitious effects. Youve got burst on top of burst on top of burst. Thunderlords, echoes. Fervor, devourer, rageblade. Its all the same stuff and it ramps up so fast you just instagib people. So now that we have all this damage, steraks is all you can build to not instantly explode. Its not even particularly good, it just is all you have. Damage needs to be trimmed and then defense reevaluated.

DealthFeb 13, 20162 votes

He's completely overpowered. The last game I played with him I solo carried our team. And we were 4v5 the entire game because garen never connected.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2096349942/42529823?tab=overview

The DeckownerFeb 14, 20162 votes

and they failed to realize zz'rot is a better item against rageblade champions than thornmail.

i stopped playing xin zhao because of the dumb buff, and i knew too well how to counter him.

DeathcapShacoFeb 13, 20161 votes

Mundo has always been weak to duelest with a lot of healing.

Sahn UzalFeb 13, 20162 votes

He has THE strongest ad steroid in the game. Unless you go full item 3072 on Riven or something He also does not need to AA for his W, but the damage is dealt. not QQ ing about mundo, just sayin he is not a bad duelist. summoner 31