I do it. We all do it when we play Garen. We wreck face and lead the "damage to champs" stat no matter if there are any damage items in the build or not. It's just overpowered, and we all agree. Something must be done to nerf Garen.
Critmaster Garen4 votesthey said they might buff him after the change to his villain mechanic.
kills against garen will not generate villain stacks anymore, meaning he wont get a safety net against people snowballing against him in lane. if that nerf hits his laning too hard, they said theyre going to put some power back into his early game by buffing other parts of his kit.
so keep waiting. because statistics says hes not even op right now. his winrate is almost where it was pre rework.
{quoted} Being able to deal the damage Garen does with only
is something I would call unbalanced personally.
when will you people understand, that he deals less damage and is significantly weaker until midgame?
he only deals a lot of damage against the villain. against everyone else he has to build damage and defense to be actually effective.
LatetotheRace1 votesWell see there's this little concept of husbando's and wifuu's. Riot has many wifuus which they refuse to nerf, because when wifuu's unhappy ain't nobody happy. Same thing applies to husbando's. (Hey the female staff needs some loving too)
But in all seriousness, he's the weakest of the juggernauts. If you can, play morde and stomp him. If not, try taric or fiora.
KitsuneKrash1 votesHonestly, I wish Riot would take a good look at their 2 balanced yet overlooked juggernauts 
in particular & take notes on what they did right.
I'm not by any means saying Nasus isn't a well balanced example, he certainly is & I'm glad to see the stacking mechanic on Garen's W. However I feel Mundo's overall mechanics are a closer to Garen.
Mundo is tanky yet deals decent damage, lacks a gap closer & still manages to force you to focus most of your cc on him in teamfights, most importantly he has counterplay throughout the match. He's definitely annoying to face, but less oppressive than most of the other juggernauts.
Mundo's passive & ult gives him plenty of health regen, a trait we see in Garen as well. Likewise Mundo's W reduces the duration of disables & does AoE to those near him & add in Mundo's ult giving a move speed boost. So similarities to Garen's Q & E, just arranged differently.
With so many similar traits to Garen, what makes him less oppressive & how to apply some of that to Garen is something I hope Riot will look at.
NemeBro1 votesHonestly, I wish Riot would take a good look at their 2 balanced yet overlooked juggernauts
I'm not by any means saying Nasus isn't a well balanced example, he certainly is & I'm glad to see the stacking mechanic on Garen's W. However I feel Mundo's overall mechanics are a closer to Garen.
Mundo is tanky yet deals decent damage, lacks a gap closer & still manages to force you to focus most of your cc on him in teamfights, most importantly he has counterplay throughout the match. He's definitely annoying to face, but less oppressive than most of the other juggernauts.
Mundo's passive & ult gives him plenty of health regen, a trait we see in Garen as well. Likewise Mundo's W reduces the duration of disables & does AoE to those near him & add in Mundo's ult giving a move speed boost. So similarities to Garen's Q & E, just arranged differently.
With so many similar traits to Garen, what makes him less oppressive & how to apply some of that to Garen is something I hope Riot will look at.
Mundo isn't balanced.
He's bad.
KitsuneKrash2 votesMundo isn't balanced.
He's bad.
At the moment he's weak, even more so when compared to the other juggernauts. I wouldn't say that makes him unbalanced, just that there's now plenty of ways to counter him. Which overall is something Garen needs.
Being able to deal the damage Garen does with only is something I would call unbalanced personally.
NemeBro1 votesAt the moment he's weak, even more so when compared to the other juggernauts. I wouldn't say that makes him unbalanced, just that there's now plenty of ways to counter him. Which overall is something Garen needs.
Being able to deal the damage Garen does with only
He isn't weak because of the new Juggernauts outshining him.
He's been weak for far longer than that. He has had one of the worst win rates in both top and jungle for a while now.
Matezoide1 votesGaren already got nerfed and is getting more next patch.
RyzeRework1 votesI mean garen isn't all the strong In lane anymore id say hes the weakest of the 3 juggernauts and I can honestly say I destroyed a garen in lane as vlad fiora gangplank there's so much counter play to garen that I dont feel like hes weak darius at level 2 can get full passive stacks on a champion
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesProbably until at least used once at Worlds. Also goes to Vayne & Thresh since Meddler happens to be so quiet about them.
