I'm all for taking power out of Taliyah wall, but worked ground MS is non-negotiable

Bern··1 votes·901 views

I know you're probably trying to make it harder for her to teamfight safely, escape ganks, and dodge skillshots in exchange for giving her back some waveclear and adding some harass, but that MS is a large part of why she can even put out dps or hit targets with multiple hits of q in the first place, so it's probably going to be a net negative change. = /

Beyond that, aiming q without that MS is just going to feel really goddamn bad. Like stupidly bad. It's been there this entire time for a reason. Please don't remove it. It's a huge satisfaction point for how the champion plays.

Re: the other changes: W CD looks nice on paper, but I can't imagine it having enough impact to merit taking power away from other parts of the kit for it. E change seems crappy, especially when it seems like you're focusing on making her able to waveclear more sustainably and maybe more interactively?

Just gut wall CD instead or something please, jesus. As cool as full mana refund on q is, losing worked ground MS to get it is not going to be worth it.

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KZ Engel2 votes

who cares, get her out of lcs

Bogdan19451 votes

You can't contest the strength of a wall like hers unless you literally give her the azir treatment and make her virtually unplayable , the potential of isolating 1-2 immobile targets simply can't be weakened

BobaFlautist1 votes

You could make it more telegraphed (more dramatic indicator of wall trajectory, longer channel before shooting the wall out, slower speed of wall building) giving more leeway for the targets to reposition.

There are plenty of ways to reduce specifically the Wall's reliability.

Bogdan19451 votes

All the changes you said simply lower the range taliyah can cast the wall from and be reliable , based on how harsh your proposed changes are applied it could lead to taliyah losing a lot of incentive from leveling up ult( since the only benefit would be cd) creating another set of problems

BobaFlautist1 votes

It would be simple enough to change it to start slower and pick up speed as it goes.

But I'm not invested in any of this, I just disagree that there's no way to target power in her wall.

Bogdan19451 votes

the speed change again just modifies the range at which it is effective , it's a bit more math , but still not too much since it's basically 6th grade physics . There is simply no way to target the power of her wall since either she traps opponents with it or she doesn't there's no in between, the only way i can even possibly think of targeting the ult is by pulling something like what they did to ryze on pbe and give her lvl 3 ult range +some more and massive downtime(cooldowns) and this still doesn't harm the power of her wall . Something that's more interesting to try is to not make it a wall but rework it into a massive hill (which like slows if you go up on it and faster when down on it , and not affected when in the middle of it) , then you can start toying with numbers that do something

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