Riot, why does every good decision you make have to be coupled with a questionable one?

AhmCha·Nov 8, 2016·254 votes·5,163 views

Riot: "Here's a new champ select that we feel addresses a lot of concerns people have with the current pick/ban system" General Playerbase: "Yaaaaaaay" Riot: "Alsohere'sDQlolfukubye" General Playerbase: "Nuuuuuuu"

Riot: "We're bringing back Solo Queue" General Playerbase: "Yaaaay" Riot: "We're phasing out Normal Draft" General Playerbase: "Nuuuuuuuuu"

Riot: "We got a slick new client!" General Playerbase: "Yaaaaaay" Riot: "No more Item Sets" General Playerbase: "Nuuuuu"

Riot: "Assassin Updates!" General Playerbase: "Hey! That's pretty goo-" Riot: "Plants" General Playerbase: "....nu" Riot: "Also the new Assassin items" Me: ".....FUCK"

90 Comments

Dominick DestineNov 9, 20167 votes

I miss the Morello era.

Golden Tager XNov 9, 20161 votes

You mean the "mages rape everyone" era with dfg, lich bane dealing 100% ap as PHYSICAL damage, and all that?

Dominick DestineNov 9, 20169 votes

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You mean the "mages rape everyone" era

Tryndamere XinZhao Riven Olaf Jax JarvanIV ?

VisthaNov 9, 20162 votes

lich bane dealing 100% ap as PHYSICAL damage

That was 2012. Season 2.

There was a couple more since then, you know.

ScrinnidNov 9, 20161 votes

Then I had my trusty irelia and eve mid who were considered troll picks xd

VisthaNov 9, 20161 votes

I actually played Eve mid a few times back when her E was doing magic damage.

It was entertaining, but not my cup of tea. Too niche, you could say.

ScrinnidJul 5, 20171 votes

It''s now actully stronger, as people expect her to level up her q, not e. And e does physical damage so most people forget to itemize against it

Votable JesterNov 9, 201614 votes

I miss Athene's so much more.

I miss mana regen as a whole. I still feel like the guy in charge of the MYMU just personally disliked poke mages.

MimyNov 9, 20165 votes

Is it bad that I'm thinking of a way to build

item 3147 Teemo ...

They're kinda killing his shrooms so Let's make all his damage more Up-front.

Let's take masteries that go from... Deathfire Touch, and for second tree. lets get GREEN FATHERS GIFT.. Yea.. Alot of Q damage, and 3% health after coming out of bushes..

Now lets build.. perhaps something similar too...

item 3146 item 3147 item 3006 item 3100 item 3285 item 3153

ChaddyFantomeNov 9, 201611 votes

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Is it bad that I'm thinking of a way to build

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They're kinda killing his shrooms so Let's make all his damage more Up-front.

Let's take masteries that go from... Deathfire Touch, and for second tree. lets get GREEN FATHERS GIFT.. Yea.. Alot of Q damage, and 3% health after coming out of bushes..

Now lets build.. perhaps something similar too...

Duskblade wont really be all that worth unless you have more lethality since it scales with your lethality.

AirKingNeoNov 9, 20167 votes

and lich scales with AP..

TwinkieProNov 9, 20162 votes

90 true damage is 90 free damage.

ChaddyFantomeNov 9, 20163 votes

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90 true damage is 90 free damage.

a 3k+ item for 90 damage is a retarded investment unless you have a way to apply it regularly, im sorry.

True damage is true damage, but 90 True damage might as well be 1/4th of an auto attack.

TwinkieProNov 9, 20161 votes

Duck in bushes. It's also a 70 AD item, so you are not buying it strictly for the passive. It also goes along with her ult well if you time it right.

Am I saying it should be a recommended item? no, ofc not. But am I saying it can work? yup.

ChaddyFantomeNov 9, 20161 votes

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Duck in bushes. It's also a 70 AD item, so you are not buying it strictly for the passive. It also goes along with her ult well if you time it right.

Am I saying it should be a recommended item? no, ofc not. But am I saying it can work? yup.

Ducking in bushes doesn't really benefit u all that much. the on hit True damage is obtained the minute you are unseen by the enemy, so any champion that builds it inherent;ly has the first hit of it when before they start the fight. What makes it useful is the champs that can reliably reapply it. Teemo ducking in bushes doesn't really give him any benefit from the item at all. He'd get the proc even if he didn't stealth.

TwinkieProNov 9, 20161 votes

Of all the ADCs, i would say she can apply it repeatedly the most reliably. Not many have that many instances to "hide" in combat.

ChaddyFantomeNov 9, 20161 votes

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Of all the ADCs, i would say she can apply it repeatedly the most reliably. Not many have that many instances to "hide" in combat.

Teemo is a girl now? Teemo is an ADC now? Also, lolno that doesn't apply to Teem-

Oh, i think you mean Vayne? You are confusing what we are discussing here, good sir/mam. ;o

Vayne is a very different story, lol.

Tho it will only be good if she builds all the Lethality items. I can see her building item 3814 but item 3142 is pretty useless on her now that the Attack speed is gone.

TwinkieProNov 10, 20161 votes

I swear vayne was mentioned before, I might have just confused two different discussions lol

KoKobotoNov 9, 20164 votes

Unless you have an Ivern on your team or are fighting in bushes constantly you won't make good use of duskblade's passive true damage

MontethePythonNov 16, 20161 votes

Mostly true, but *Vayne, *Kha-zix, *Rengar, *Shaco, even maybe my main monkey Wukong could abuse it. But i do agree it isn't a huge amount of true damage usually, save those 4ish

Bladerunner7777Nov 9, 20164 votes

Or maybe you're being overly critical and scrutinize them too much

Riot could do 100 things right but if they do 1 thing wrong then everyone will give them a hard time, this applies to much more than just Riot.

MontethePythonNov 9, 20167 votes

Not really relevant mate, he's touching on the fact that riot isn't listening to the Overwhelming amount of feedback against both removing normal draft and against the addition of plants, it's less of a scrutinization and much more of a "hey what's going on rito? i thought you were starting to listen to your player base, what's the problem guys?" type of post

AMYS GRAVENov 9, 20161 votes

Not really relevant mate, he's touching on the fact that riot isn't listening to the Overwhelming amount of feedback against ...

God i wish i could stop seeing posts about this, but with riots track record it's obvious they aren't listening. I just want to see them learn and improve, but they refuse to learn from their mistakes of the past.

DecritNov 10, 20161 votes

Because it is not the relevant playerbase! All people posting here comes from NA, that is unaffecte dby the change!

It is the players of said regions that should speak up, and tot hem Riot should listen. it has nothing to do with reddit or these baords either.

Not even like the change is going to affect NA or EUW either, since this kind of management is separated from each region.

basically it would be like me, italian, complaining how pizza is served is NY. I mean i can relate and be not happy about that, but hardly deals with me and even harder i can criticize them.

( pineapple pizza is gross tho )

MontethePythonNov 16, 20161 votes

Agreed pineapple pizza is gross, but i have to disagree on the other parts. It's still relevant to us in NA and EUW because Riot is removing features we love, granted to other regions, but they have expressed their intent and even say that in a perfect world they'd remove draft altogether from all regions. It's more like you complaining about how pizza is served in New York because your local italian restaurants are all saying they would like to switch to those methods. Plus why wouldn't we fight for our fellow players when something goes wrong for their regions? If the house across the street catches fire do you ignore it? After all the fire could easily spread if you just ignore the neighbors' plight. Nothing wrong with helping your neighbors.

Timethief49Nov 9, 20163 votes

It's like heisenbergs uncertainty. If you have the one thing right you can get the other thing and the other Way round

NastyMcOutplayNov 10, 20161 votes

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It's like heisenbergs uncertainty. If you have the one thing right you can get the other thing and the other Way round

i was thinking of breaking bad

DealthNov 9, 20163 votes

Better question, why does everyone feel so entitled considering they are playing a free game?

P0IS0N IVYNov 9, 201655 votes

I mean, it's fine if Riot doesn't want to listen to player concerns. Since this is a free game, it's actually easier to lose customers. We have nothing to lose by complaining and quitting the game. Riot has everything to lose.

It would be in Riot's interests to consider our opinions. A single player is not entitled, but the playerbase is. Riot is nothing without us.

midnight oil24Nov 9, 20161 votes

But they gave us things like the sandbox mode and returned solo/duo queue. How is that not listening to people's opinions?

P0IS0N IVYNov 9, 20162 votes

Where did I say Riot did not listen to people?

midnight oil24Nov 9, 20161 votes

You said "It's fine if Riot doesn't want to listen to players concerns" and "it would be in riot's best interest to consider our opinions." That's literally saying that riot doesn't listen to people.

P0IS0N IVYNov 10, 20161 votes

No it's not actually.

You should read everything pertaining to the comment.

M0NSTER3NERGY420Nov 10, 20161 votes

Riot, why does every good decision you make have to be coupled with a questionable one?

That's the point: they come with something good, something that people have actually ASKED FOR and then they come with something NO ONE ASKED FOR LIKE...EVER. They keep ruining things that are fine/good and things almost no one is complaining about.

It's always one or the other with them: they either come with something that players have been suggesting for ages OR they come with things no one asked for.

If they stop with the latter they will actually create a very nice game that everyone enjoys.

hhaavviikkNov 9, 20161 votes

not neccesarily true, if you spent money then you most certainly have something to lose

P0IS0N IVYNov 9, 20161 votes

You said it. The money is already spent.

Also the guy was referring to the free part of the game.

floppy1000Nov 9, 201618 votes

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Better question, why does everyone feel so entitled considering they are playing a free game?

Because if we didn't play their game, there wouldn't be a free game anymore. Just a dead one.

DealthNov 9, 20162 votes

Nah you are playing and complaining at the same time. If people actually quit the game because of certain changes of course they will rethink their changes. But if people complain but still play anyway then Riot won't take you seriously.

And if Riot didn't put out changes when the community backlashes, then we would still be in the first patch of season 1.

P0IS0N IVYNov 9, 20167 votes

How do you know ppl aren't quitting?

DealthNov 9, 20161 votes

Cause they are too busy complaining on the boards. And trust me people who care this much about the game aren't quitting any time soon. The people who quit the game are people who aren't going to make a bunch of posts on the boards. Because they aren't invested in the game enough to do that.

It's like complaining about your favourite cigarette brand on a smoking-enthusiast forum. Do you really think those guys are going to quit any time soon? (not endorsing smoking)

P0IS0N IVYNov 9, 20165 votes

Posting on the boards has nothing to do with quitting?

I'm gonna say it again:

It's fine if Riot doesn't want to listen to player concerns. Since this is a free game, it's actually easier to lose customers. We have nothing to lose by complaining and quitting the game. Riot has everything to lose.

It would be in Riot's interests to consider our opinions. A single player is not entitled, but the playerbase is. Riot is nothing without us.

NilokNov 9, 20166 votes

As a member from my group, none of us play League anymore (~20 strong) due to the changes from Season 6. However we all still talk about it. Just because we want to play League again and had fun playing it in the past doesn't mean we enjoy the current state of it. We want it to be fun again and try and present ideas that could help improve it. The real question is if Riot will implement any of them.

DeadlyChas3rXNov 10, 20162 votes

ikr

TheSingularityNov 9, 201614 votes

This is purely in response to the first part

People did quit the game. A fair amount of people quit this game and that is why we are getting solo/duo queue. Proof? Riot abolishing dynamic queue as the perfect solution.

As a business, riot won't do anything unless there's something, even if it's tiny, that they will gain from it. Dynamic queue was an entire year of what was likely a crap tonne of money and time investments. No sane business would flush it down the shitter just because people don't like it (I being one of them).

As pointed out earlier this year, DQ couldn't possibly function without solo players, the very players that DQ screws. Thus, for riot to be willing to reinstate solo/duo queue.... a fairly large chunk of solo players must have either ceased ranked or quit completely. Proof: the insane challenger level queue times in low elo DQ (the top 2% of players had better queue times than the bottom what? 80%?)

So... by reinstating solo/duo. Riot hopes to reclaim the players they have losed. More players= a larger recruitment team= more rp purchases= riot profit.

There's no way in hell riot's doing this out of the goodness of their heart ( hence why dq will still be here next season).

DealthNov 9, 20161 votes

Riot still net-profited hard off Dynamic Queue because of people inviting their friends to play with them. It's also a good cash-grab because when people play with friends they are more likely to buy each other gifts.

Sure, people complained, most of them stayed though. Now they are expanding on the system to appeal to an even wider audience. They aren't removing Dynamic Queue, they are just reinstating the old queueing system which they couldn't do before. They couldn't do it because they thought they would lose a large player base (the people who played dynamic queue).

NilokNov 9, 20165 votes

That was the idea. It obviously didn't pan out that way. League has been losing players slowly due to being an older game, and dynamic queue and hextech crafting was meant to fix that. Instead dynamic queue shifted it into high gear for ranked.

ScantýNov 9, 20164 votes

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Better question, why does everyone feel so entitled considering they are playing a free game?

I fucking hate every single dumbass that says this on every single game. It's not a ''free'' game for Riot, they're making millions out of it. And the players are the reason they make money, you have EVERY SINGLE RIGHT to tell them to stop whatever they're doing. A musician doesn't go out on a stage and tell their fans to fuck themselves just because he's throwing a free concert, if the concert is shit everyone is gonna leave, it's simple as that. Does it go through your head? Also, I spent more money on this game than I spent on pay to play games, so I helped this game more than other games, because I used to be dumb. Oh wait, no one forced me to do it right? I'm not supposed to be entitled not like I'm helping Riot make their game better. Like, you'd see kickstarter developers thanking with their everything to their consumers instead of seeing things like ''no one forced you to back me, fuck off''. But MORONS would like to think League of Legends is a ''free'' game that doesn't need our money, our time, our patience for these megalomaniac developers. I've been soo dissatisfied with Riot in the past months, I stopped purchasing RP for a year. And now I'm not gonna touch blind pick 'till they bring Normal Draft back. They can shove their business up their asses. There are way better alternatives to this shit that actually have developers that doesn't want to screw everyone over. Every developer is trying to innovate and Riot is doing the OPPOSITE! We're going back to times when people HAD to play Blind Pick, this is beyond stupidity. Long queue times my ass, Overwatch adds new modes and different queues all at once even though they have way less active playerbase -_-

DeadlyChas3rXNov 10, 20161 votes

there is this ******* thing called plants GG

LovelleNov 10, 20161 votes

First off, define what you mean by "good" decision. Because I rarely ever see Riot make good decisions in terms of gameplay. In particular, they don't care about their older playerbase at all, and it seems like they're even starting to neglect the casual playerbase.

ArcanysNov 11, 20162 votes

Agreed, they screw with champions so much, many of my favourite champions are ruined and all the money I spent on skins for them is wasted, I want my money back.