I'd rather warden's mail reduce attack damage by 15% than attack speed by 15%

Critkeeper··1 votes·736 views

even if it would strictly be more powerful (because means ad scaling abilities would do less damage)

I don't see people building randuins omen except vs Trynd and Yasuo. The item is a bit too niche tbh, most marksmen don't even stack enough crit to make randuins worth it. If the item were more directed towards reducing ad, it would be really great vs assassins like zed and talon.

besides, having your attack speed gimped feels more frustrating to play against than having your attack damage reduced because it mucks with the timing of animation cancelling if you are trying to orb-walk.

#Warden's mail item 3082

Components: item 1029 item 1029

Combine cost: 400 gold

Total cost 1000 gold

+40 armor Unique -- Deflection: If you take physical damage from an enemy champion, their attack damage is reduced by 10% for 1 second.

#Randuins Omen item 3143

Components: item 3082 item 1011

Combine cost: 900 gold

Total cost: 2900 gold

+500 health +60 armor Unique -- Deflection: If you take physical damage from an enemy champion, their attack damage is reduced by 15% for 4 seconds. Unique Active: Slows all nearby units within 500 range by 35% for 4 seconds (60 second cooldown)

#Frozen Heart item 3110

Components: item 3082 item 3024

Combine cost: 800 gold

Total cost: 2800 gold

+90 armor +400 mana +20% cooldown reduction Unique Aura: Reduces the attack damage of all nearby enemies by 10% (700 range)

11 Comments

Doctor Jarvis2 votes

Yeah, I wish items I enjoyed building were way better too. EDIT I realize that wasn't very productive, so maybe this will be. Armor ALREADY reduces AD.

Critkeeper3 votes

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Yeah, I wish items I enjoyed building were way better too. EDIT I realize that wasn't very productive, so maybe this will be. Armor ALREADY reduces AD.

No it doesn't, it reduces the physical damage you take.

Here is a difference, for example:

If Zed uses his ult on your marksman and you are trying to support her and you have bought randuins omen, you can make sure to stand near enough to your ally so that some of zed's aoe damage will hit you. If you do that, zed's attack damage would be reduced so he would deal less damage to your marksman.

Doctor Jarvis1 votes

Yeah, I wish items I enjoyed building were way better too. Damn, I did it again. Why not a new item that has an armor aura?

Critkeeper1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d9r2IEgA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-10T04:09:24.884+0000)

Yeah, I wish items I enjoyed building were way better too. Damn, I did it again. Why not a new item that has an armor aura?

That wouldn't be the same either. Armor can be penetrated, reduced attack damage does exactly what it says it does, by the amount stated, without exception.

Armor makes your allies tankier vs turrets and objectives like baron and dragon, and thats the last thing we need more of. Reduced attack damage as described in the original post doesn't affect towers or critters at all.

Dominick Destine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d9r2IEgA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-10T04:09:24.884+0000)

Yeah, I wish items I enjoyed building were way better too. Damn, I did it again. Why not a new item that has an armor aura?

Taric

TTK Dreadnought1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Doctor Jarvis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d9r2IEgA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-10T04:09:24.884+0000)

Yeah, I wish items I enjoyed building were way better too. Damn, I did it again. Why not a new item that has an armor aura?

Because this is what we're stuck with. item 3110 item 3190

and i use Randuin's Omen pretty often because it gives a little more armor and most adc's build crit. the slow isnt bad either sometimes but i wish it was a larger radius or a longer duration.

if the adc isnt building crit though, sunfire no hands down.

The Deckowner2 votes

items directly reducing combat stats of the enemy(ad/ap) will either have super low number so basically useless or too strong it can't exist.

Critkeeper1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d9r2IEgA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-06-10T04:11:35.419+0000)

items directly reducing combat stats of the enemy(ad/ap) will either have super low number so basically useless or too strong it can't exist.

attack speed is a combat stat and it is directly reduced by the live version of frozen heart and randuins omen.

all I'm saying is that we should expand it from attack speed reduction to attack damage reduction in order to provide more options vs assassins and ad stacking juggernauts.

if anything it would make you think twice before you put a juggernaut, assassin and marksman all on the same team. And thats fine. Substitute one with a mage, tank, or controller instead.

The Deckowner2 votes

attackspeed is nowhere as important as real ad/ap.

PlasmaRaven1 votes

add that with a trundle q and thats balanced. good info dude!

Dominick Destine1 votes

Boost the crit reduction to -15% and it might see play.

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