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This has been going on for a while now and it needs to stop :/

MrNuclearPumpkin··107 votes·5,252 views

Ranked, fine. You ban who you want, because you're playing to win. That's absolutely fine and dandy.

My question is this though.... when a new champion comes out, why on earth do people ban them.... in normals?

The normal excuse I hear is. "I don't want to play with a bad (champ name here)"

.....this is absolutely the dumbest thing I can ever imagine. So, tell me. If everyone bans the new champion in normals, because they don't want to have a bad player of that champion.... then how the hell are they supposed to be not bad anymore?

Seriously. It makes 0 sense. Like I said, In a ranked match that makes a lot more sense. You want to play to win, and you probably won't win if you're playing with a dude who's deciding to play Taliyah jungle and just first played Taliyah. But in a normals? The mode where you go to specifically play against real players in a PVP environment, so you can practice a new champion?

So if we're playing a normals and you see I highlighted Zed and I say, "First time Zed, I want to practice him." Would you ban that? Cause if you do, you're a douche.

And for the people that say, "Play against bots." That's the worst possible way to learn a new champion. And 'playing against bots' may be the reason why so many think that going Rageblade on Garen is super OP. Bots are not an accurate way to judge someone's skill, nor are they a way to practice. They have no runes, no masteries. So you can't even judge the proper damage that it'll do to players with runes and masteries on them.

Basically what I'm saying is, there's this trend that's been going on for a long time and I really really wish it would stop.

Now I totally get it. I get when it's a champion that's new and completely and utterly broken. But normally unless it's a situation like Zyra who was literally hotfixed THE DAY of the release, most of the time people don't realize just how stupidly OP the new champion is, until maybe 3-5 days after release.

But banning a champion, that has literally come out, barely five hours ago, in a normal game simply because you don't want a 'bad' player, that just.... it's silly. Really silly..

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La Barbotte20 votes

you dont seem to get dont you, there is no normals anymore, everygame is played like a god damn ranked, must win or no fun is found, wonder why special game modes and even aram is turning to shit, its because people play only to win, so they ban the new champ because theres no difference between ranked and normals.....

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

Well yeah, wasting at least 20 minutes getting destroyed isn't fun no matter how hard you try to make it sound good. Normals and ranked is still literally the exact same game, why would defeat be any less frustrating in one or the other?

Weiner the Pooh4 votes

I completely agree, everyone is such a god damn try hard. So sick of seeing full tank builds every Aram game

ModAcademy Kayn7 votes

Thats a bit unfair. Just because someone is doing what they're comfortable with doesn't mean they're a tryhard. Maybe they haven't played that Tank before so they're going the safe "be a meatwall" route. Just because someone doesn't throw in a Ludens or something doesn't mean they're tryharding.

Elikain3 votes

I think OP meant that his opinion on the state of Normals or any other game mode outside or Ranked is his domain so he's calling everyone who plays in the meta a tryhard. It's a fact, winning is more fun than losing. For me personally, i don't care whether i win or lose as long as i feel that everyone from my team and the enemy team gave it their best shot at winning the game so i can legit call it a good game and be satisfied with it, regardless of the outcome.

Oh, i can't use bans how i want in Normals? Oh i can't play champions how i want in Normals? I can't play meta champions in Normals? Oh, i can't build tanky in Normals?

Why? Because OP wants to have fun and not play his role how it's supposed to be played - countering the enemy picks and itemizations with his own.

LankPants4 votes

So sick of seeing full tank builds every Aram game

If I get a tank I'm going to play tank for a couple of reasons.

Firstly I actually find tanks more fun than a gimped burstbased caster.

I also don't see a point in randomly hurting my teams chances at winning. I'm always going to attempt to win to the best of my ability in any game, I really don't give a fuck if it's an ARAM, a Ranked or a normal as AP Sona, I'll try to win the game if at all possible.

Elikain3 votes

And who are you to tell people that they are not allowed to play seriously in Normals?

La Barbotte1 votes

im batman

Rivini2 votes

{quoted}

you dont seem to get dont you, there is no normals anymore, everygame is played like a god damn ranked, must win or no fun is found, wonder why special game modes and even aram is turning to shit, its because people play only to win,

I've been saying this for a few years now and it's absolutely true.

Want to know how to spot tryhards? It's pretty funny.

Next time you're playing a balanced champion or are otherwise not bending over backwards to win in a normal and you start losing the lane/match, and the enemy Zed/Fizz/Annie/etc. proceeds to trash talk or spam emotes to gloat, mention in /all chat how you're just playing for fun. If anyone responds with "winning is fun," you've found your tryhard.

Knoyle1 votes

I see better players in Normals than I do Ranked.

MunchCrunchLunch13 votes

tbh its not that i dont want bad taliyahs on my team. i couldn't care less. its just that. its gets mundane when you play with and against a taliyah every game. goes for every champion. after few i usually go to draft and ban her. but shes not as annoying as illaoi or aurelion sol so i haven't banned her yet.

also i played 2 normals and in both of them people autolocked her after not getting their role. so thats an another reason

WinBoat10 votes

About 80% of the people ban the new champs that release to make people angry and dodge. Honestly that's why......'

Nazzadan5 votes

Can you get me a source on that 80% you just whipped out?

ModAcademy Kayn3 votes

83% of statistics are made up.

BigSquirrell2 votes

I can confirm that this is true 94% of the time.

Maximum Morde4 votes

That's pretty much why I do it. I'm a very cynical bitter person and misery loves company. It's my ban, I'll do what I want with it.

RocketRelm8 votes

I'll still up vote because the thread's sentiment is correct, I'm just here to say this.

So if we're playing a normals and you see I highlighted Zed and I say, "First time Zed, I want to practice him." Would you ban that? Cause if you do, you're a douche.

Fuck Zed. I know he can be balanced, I just don't like playing against it and can't fault anybody for banning it.

Ayame Isaki1 votes

Zed and Blitzcrank. Not OP, just annoying as hell. Also, I hate how Blitz can be 0/50/0 and land that one lucky hook that wins a team fight. I wish I could go 0/50/0 on any support and still be a game changer.

MrNuclearPumpkin5 votes

You know I really find it funny how people often forget that they were once a bad player, trying desperately to learn a new champion.

Everyone that's been playing for 5-6 season straight, often forget.... that NOT everyone is good. They become good. They play practice games and learn matchups from their mistakes and constantly learn so as not to play the same way as they did when they started out.

I took up learning Azir because I wanted to learn and master a good mid laner. When i first played him in normals, I was terrible. Going 0/5 and even worse on occasion. You know how I got better? I kept at it. I kept locking him midlane in every matchup, bad ones too, and I kept learning. I paid for a coach, I watched videos, I practiced moves, I did everything possible until I was ready to play him in ranked. And I played Azir out of silver and back into gold.

But what about those earlier games where I was losing hard? Because people like you, who "don't want bad players on their team" you expect me to just drop Azir and play a character I'm good with? Well let me ask you this. How did I get good with those champions? The same way everyone else does. The same way you learned when you first picked up a champion. You played in normals and you literally spammed them until you got better with them.

Seriously some of you guys need to get off of your elitist high horses and understand that there ARE people that want to learn something new and NEED TO PRACTICE IT. And you know where they practice it? IN NORMALS. Not in ranked. Not against bots. Not in Twisted Treeline. Not in ARAM. Normal, summoner's rift.

EDIT: And before anyone makes mention to it, yes I know you can actually practice them in those modes, however being super good at twisted treeline and being super good in ARAM does NOT mean that you're super good on summoner's rift.~

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as aggressive or angry.... it's because I am. I'm angry at these people who have +400 games on Vayne and act like they're top dog, who completely forgot the earlier games when they went 0/6 on her. And don't BS around and say that you didn't. Everyone has had a horrible game starting out. Everyone.

Until you elitist tryhards (and when I mean tryhards, I don't mean people that are trying to win, I mean the people who rage at players trying to learn a new champion, the players that flame because someone on the team didn't pick a 'god tier' champion for their lane and the flaming toxic dorks that go "gg" when a teammate gives first blood and proceeds to rage harder than a Plat 1 losing a promos to diamond 5.) understand that players HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, this community as a whole is going to get worse. And worse and worse and worse. Until the only ones that play League of Legends are the toxic moronic demons that marinate in their cesspool of toxicity. JUST LIKE TEAM FORTRESS 2.

........

Rant over.

Steel Blossom4 votes

Or....play blink pick?

Jeddy0174 votes

Then people instalock the new champ as soon as the champ select start not even calling their position. And if that doesn't happen, you still got to call the position you want. If you want to play Tali mid, then you have to hope no one else call mid. Though, some players just pick champs without letting others know where they are going.

This is one of the reasons why I miss Teambuilder.

Dabluechimp2 votes

This is one of the reasons why I miss Teambuilder.

the removal of Teambuilder made no sense to me, they could of had the current draft pick, blind pick, and Teambuilder all at the same time, this way everyone got what they wanted.

But but we all know how Rito is

Steel Blossom1 votes

Just be quick and grab her before other people do. Currently I'm not having much trouble in blind, since I treat it like a bot game and go wherever with my champion. You just gotta be good enough to make it work.

Jeddy0172 votes

So, just become another instalocker? Yeah, nope.

RIP Resonance4 votes

In normals I play to win. If you're not trying because "it'z normzzz bruahhh", then I simply don't want you on my team. If you want to play like a monkey, go to blind pick, not draft.

MrNuclearPumpkin13 votes

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In normals I play to win. If you're not trying because "it'z normzzz bruahhh", then I simply don't want you on my team. If you want to play like a monkey, go to blind pick, not draft.

Then you my friend need to stay in ranked.

RIP Resonance4 votes

No, I don't.

If you're not trying to win the game, you're trolling. It doesn't matter what game mode you're in.

MrNuclearPumpkin5 votes

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No, I don't.

If you're not trying to win the game, you're trolling. It doesn't matter what game mode you're in.

Yeah you do. That mindset of always playing with everything turned up to 11, pulling all the fun out of the game, deserves to be in a mode that requires it. Being ranked. Normals is literally for practicing, playing for fun, learning a new champion in a PvP atmosphere.

Your mindset is what's ruining normals for the players that don't take it as seriously as you.

So like I said. Stay in ranked.

RIP Resonance2 votes

1.) You know nothing about me, nor my gameplay.

2.) Just because I want to win games doesn't mean I'm not trying to have fun.

League of Legends is a competitive game, and I play to win. I suffer from ranked anxiety, so I play normals. It doesn't matter what the result is, but it feels better when you accomplish something.

AngryBlackWing7 votes

Its normals and when people say that they just want to play the game. its not like its normal's so ill feed. its like hey its normals let just play the game. You know. The assholes will feed but not everyone who says its just normals will feed.

DEN15 5121 votes

So just because someone picks a champion they haven't played before, they're automatically not trying to win the game?

RIP Resonance2 votes

Did not say that. Please don't imply that I did. Reading comprehension in America must be at an all time low. I ban Taliyah because of potentially game throwing ultimates. The same reason I banned Bard for the first month of release. Simply because I don't want someone on my team playing something that is easy to screw up on.

If you're not trying to win the game, you're trolling.

Meaning that the "ITZZZ NORMS BRAHHAHHHHAH" attitude that people take to normals and intentionally feed after giving up 2 kills in lane is trolling. If you're intentionally feeding or intentionally making bad plays (such as Lee Sin insecing the amumu into our team) regardless of a game mode, then you're a troll.

GaleWinUnleashed4 votes

Nothing wrong with playing to win. But there's no need to tie "fun" and "winning" together so tightly. Just bring a more lighthearted mindset to non-ranked games and have fun, win or lose.

RIP Resonance4 votes

For me, winning is fun and losing is not. I don't mind losing normal or ranked games, but I do try my best in everything and expect my teammates to treat me with the same respect. I don't mind if the entire team is sandbagging, as long as they're trying.

Br4ndon4 votes

That makes me so frustrated to see that. I don't even want to play the new champion and I get annoyed when i see people ban her.

Scary Door3 votes

  • OP Calls people elitist because they want to ban the new champion in Normals.

  • OP proceeds to tell us who we can and cannot ban in Normalss.

Who is the elitist?

MrNuclearPumpkin2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scary Door,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=d8jKdTF9,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2016-05-19T21:32:05.848+0000)

  • OP Calls people elitist because they want to ban the new champion in Normals.

  • OP proceeds to tell us who we can and cannot ban in Normalss.

Who is the elitist?

Man you really don't read do you?

Scary Door2 votes

{quoted}

Man you really don't read do you?

I read it very clearly.

You: "It doesn't make sense to ban the new champ in Normals, get off your elitist high horse blah blah"

Me: "You're calling people elitist for doing something you think is senseless"

I mean, why write a giant diatribe when I summarized what you said in two lines. People will ban who they like, if you want to play the new champ, just do it in custom games and learn there, eventually people will go back to banning Zed, Malz, et al and you can have your Taliyah all to yourself.

Beldair2 votes

I agree.

I am one of those ppl that tries a champ for the first time in Norms...

Why? Because a live opponent helps you learn exactly how to improve and where you screwed up. Bots can't do that.

Weasel Kensei2 votes

I didnt read your whole post but I knew where it was going...

I got to "it makes 0 sense" or some such.

Let me tell you why it makes some sense. Hear me out.

There is nowhere to practice for ranked in this game. "Wait you can do that in normals" NO YOU CANT. Because people want to play stupid shit in normals. I keep getting supports who dont build sight stones, wont take exhaust, play stuff like Talon support, or some other dumb crap. This is a zero vision, zero peel, kill stealing, CS taking "support" that isnt like it will be in ranked. Im not allowed to complain because "Hey its normals chill."

No one will report anyone for even the most excessive bullshit because "Hey its normals." So people just act an ass, feed, and act like theyre the carry trying to solo 3 enemies at once. Suffice to say that "Normals" is a shitty place to "practice" for ranked because its a real crap shoot if your team is even remotely serious or not.

What does that have to do with banning new champs? Because they just assume theyre going to feed. Feeders ruin the length of a game and make it nearly impossible to get experience ON YOUR CHAMP youre trying to get better on if youre one of those people TRYING to practice in normals.

So I hear you man. How do you get better to not feed if you never get to try? Well now you know why people play new champs in ranked with no clue how to play... cause they get banned or picked in normals so often, ranked is the only place to even try to play a new champ.

We have no place to "practice" for ranked with the mindset of "trying to win" but in a nonranked environment. Certainly many people are not "trying to win" in normals. Im told qite often that "its just for fun" and when my team is doing total derpy mega-tard shittastic nonsense... "Hey its normals chill."

The person that bans the new champ A: doesnt want to play against a probably overpwoered champ they dont know how to lane against, or B: doesnt want their team to feed turning it into a FF@20 match.

So it does make some sense if you think about it, but the problem is youre not thinking about it the right way.

If we had a mode where it was unranked but people were expected to try to win, and troll stuff like AD LeBlanc wasnt "Hey its normals" protected, then you could play the new champ so long as you got a higher pick order.

So yeah, there you go.

Phairdy2 votes

Bots is for getting a feel for mechanics, after you got that down in 1 or 2 gamea you can go ahead and jump into normals.

rescued2 votes

Yup, I hate it. And if you pick them, your team just complains. How am I suppose to improve/learn a champion if I don't play them? Oh and I love when you do bad in lane and your team is toxic towards you; that helps sooo much.

I've been the support of many people learning a new ADC, like Jhin. They fed cause they don't understand the champion fully, but did I get mad? No. I just tried to give them advice/ peel for them/ help them anyway that I could. Just tell me, Oh I'm new on -soandso-. That's fine. We've all been there with a champion. I remember when I first picked up Orianna, I did TERRIBLE! Did I mean to do bad? No. I was learning the champion. Now I can play her no problem.

Owatatsumi Kami1 votes

The reason most new champions are "OP" on release is because no one has a freakin' clue on what they do. They just don't know how to play against it. That's usual all. And for that reason I think Riot should not allow new champs to be banned in the first week or two after release. First it'll actually allow players to learn to play it, with it, and against it. Second it'll allow them lots of data to properly fix bugs and determine if that champ is actually "OP," under powered, or just right.

I think this thinking and the early ban hammer can lead to champs getting overnerfed. It's just perception really not actual power. And it wares off. Take for example Ahri's speed buff on her Q after slight rework due to the removal of DfG. People claimed it was OP because they weren't used to her new kyting ability pre-6 and it got overnerfed. The same goes for Riot consecutively nerfing some champs into the ground and not giving enough time to evaluate the changes. Players are also guilty of this too and still ban nerfed "OP Champs."

It's ok guys. It's just a new champ. You can breathe. Seriously it's not the end of the world.

Dengeden1 votes

It's next level tryharding: if people can't get off practice in normals, they'll never be able to play that champion in ranked ... or so I've heard.

Numb3rs1 votes

funny. Taliyah is the first champion i;vee seen in a LONG time that's not banned/picked 100% of the time. i've probably seen 2 taliyah's in the past 20 games

FZ9R6eqXjp1 votes

You could always do blind pick normals.... they won't be able to ban it just have to call your role fast and pick her!

WolfBV1 votes

My only experience with Taliyah so far is that she is pretty squishy when I fight her.

Shanî1 votes

In my case, i banned aurelion for weeks because he shat on the champs i played. And well, i was of the opinion he was too strong. He got nerfed and now i'm fine with him. I'd say it's uncertainty of how strong new champs are and the lack of knowledge on how to play against them.

PbJMpP4xzk1 votes

got in bot games you will be able to pick the champ you want or go in custom games they exist for a reason you can even try a normal blind pick and might be able if you are quick enough to play the champ you want

why on earth would you complain about this ???????? like there is nothing else more urgent to fix about league lollllll.

Left Hook Larry1 votes

Because i dont want to deal with the new cancer champ

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