Laning against Veigar
I am not asking for a nerf, nor am I ranting from losing to him (haven't even played in a few days).
Basically, when laning against Veigar there are a few unique things you need to keep in mind.
- He gets free AP from csing with his Q, so you have to get ahead in cs to effectively stay even. 2: He gets free AP from hitting you with any of his spells (even the stun ring), so if you don't gain something from the trade, he effectively won it. 3: He gets extra free AP from killing you, so trading kills works to his favor as well.
Now, I'm not saying the lane cannot be won. Generally, I just push it in quickly and try to build up leads in other lanes, but assassins can definitely build up a lead within the mid lane.
My real issue is that unless you are an assassin who can destroy Veigar without getting killed in the process, you will nearly always lose to him in any interaction or even lack of interaction you have. The AP he gains isn't precisely the problem with it, but rather the fact that he does gain permanent AP for that that I dislike. It makes it feel like there's no "right" way to deal with him.
I didn't come into this asking for a change to him, but I suppose in a way, I do want some changes for him. I'd like him to get maybe a little more AP from cannon minions and large monsters, but to get rid of the AP gains on hitting an enemy with any spell. This way, he would still be well rewarded for csing and killing, but not for mindless harass.
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are all good vs him
is also good because you can spellshield
im sure there are others.