PSA: Courage of the Colossus was not specifically intended for engage tanks

Votable Jester·Nov 28, 2016·25 votes·1,430 views

I keep on hearing this from people on the boards, and I've gotten tired of it.

Rioters have already said that it's intended for anyone who feels like they need the windows of tankiness that it provides. They have even specifically mentioned it being fine by them if Riven players are using it.

Stop asking for nerfs that make it unusable for anyone who doesn't build 3+ tank items. Riot doesn't want it to be stuck to one class of champions (btw that would potentially make it super snowbally and impossible to stop a tower dive). They originally hoped that each champion would have several keystones that they could use to help them in various matchups. This is a step in the right direction, a tanky keystone that can be used by squishies.

Edit: Gotta love random downvotes :D

21 Comments

RalanrNov 28, 201611 votes

You're right that it wasn't specifically designed for engage tanks. But it's also the best keystone for them and it's either you nerf the keystone or you nerf a bunch of tanks.

Votable JesterNov 28, 20167 votes

The keystone can be nerfed. Nowhere did I say it can't be nerfed. Just nerf it in a way that it stays relevant to other champions (assuming nerfs are necessary). If tanks are the problem with it, nerf the hp scaling. If squishies are the problem nerf the base.

RalanrNov 28, 20162 votes

Just making sure.

PennsNov 28, 20161 votes

Or both ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

PermabannedGarenNov 29, 20161 votes

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You're right that it wasn't specifically designed for engage tanks. But it's also the best keystone for them and it's either you nerf the keystone or you nerf a bunch of tanks.

What is your point here, exactly?

SweedishGunnerNov 29, 20163 votes

It's mainly used on tanks but even this thing Riven is using it and being successful with it. It should be based more on bonus health and have lower base stats on the shield.

Votable JesterNov 29, 20161 votes

Why shouldn't Riven be allowed to use it? If it's OP on her, then I can see nerfing it, but her just using it doesn't mean it must be nerfed. They want her to be able to use it and be successful. I don't think they want it to be her dominant keystone, but an option.

ApexInTheCircleNov 29, 20161 votes

Yeah I'm not a fan of it on Vi, completely breaks her imo. Going in on an enemy and getting roughly around a 1k shield is fucking retarded.

GhostOfShrimpmasNov 29, 20161 votes

Rioters have already said that it's intended for anyone who feels like they need the windows of tankiness that it provides.

And yet there are a sizeable number of champions who can't even trigger it.

SweedishGunnerNov 29, 20161 votes

What would you get on someone like Olaf in the jungle now?

RalanrNov 29, 20161 votes

Warlords, fervor, or stormraiders.

BorblandNov 29, 20161 votes

Buff the base shield it gives and reduce the shield per maximum hp. Should reduce the power of full tanks while making it better for squichier CC champs.

RalanrNov 29, 20161 votes

Why would that be a good idea? First off it's a resolve tree mastery, a tree meant to be good for tanky champions. Secondly it's supposed to scale with teamfights and these squishy CC champions are better for 1v1 duels.

Your suggestion makes it stronger for 1v1 when it should be better focused for teamfights.

BorblandNov 29, 20161 votes

Well OP is complaining about engage tanks being too strong. That is a nerf to full tanks. So now explain me where my logic flaws.

RalanrNov 29, 20161 votes

Because the main issues isn't really the engage tanks but the high damage divers and bruisers that use it.

What you're suggesting helps Riven have a much stronger laning phase for example.

BorblandNov 29, 20161 votes

Yes, but it was originaly a responce to OP, how said he doesnt want CoC to only be effective with 3 tank items.

RalanrNov 29, 20161 votes

I never said I agreed with the OP. I personally think that it should be balanced more around engage tanks and not around duelists with hard CC.

Because Riven is already stupid with the mastery as is.

Votable JesterNov 29, 20161 votes

My point is not that it needs to be the top keystone for duelists and such. It just should remain an option to help deal with games where you know you're going to need a bit more tankiness. If it's oppressive on anyone, go ahead and nerf it; just make the nerf focused on those who are abusing it.

If tanks are busted with it, nerf the HP scaling, and slightly buff the flat probably to keep it roughly the same for those who aren't tanks. If squishies are busted with it, nerf the base (I think buffing the %HP would likely be too strong though as a shift of even .5% can be a huge difference).

Votable JesterNov 29, 20161 votes

I'm not complaining about engage tanks being too strong... Never do I say that the keystone is too strong or too weak. I'm simply saying it should be balanced in such a way that anyone who wants to use it can, whether they're squishy or tanky. This doesn't mean the shield should be the same for squishies and tanks, simply that it should be similarly useful to both.