What the "?" (Enemy mia) Ping has become

Votable Jester··46 votes·6,816 views

I'm sure many here are familiar with what has happened to this wonderful ping, but for those who do not, it has become a ping that is often spammed on players who are being blamed for one thing or another. An example would be a 2/3 health Vayne player tumbling in 1v3, dying, and spamming the ping 5-30 times over their 1/3 health 80 mana Janna for not helping in the fight beyond setting up a Q to help her possibly escape.

Now regardless of how you feel over whether the Janna should have followed a different course of action or not, there is a greater issue here.

The "?" ping is now being used as a method of complaining about allied players. While it is still being used for its intended purpose of calling "enemy mia"s, this new use dilutes that purpose.

While I have never done this personally, I have had people mistake me for doing this when I was simply calling mia. In one such instance, my top laner pinged "?" over her lane to signal that her laner was missing, but I was too tunneled in on my opponent in mid lane to notice. One easy gank later, I was color blind, and finally noticed her ping in the chat, causing me to understand that it was 100% my fault that I died. About 30 seconds into my wait to revive, I noticed that the enemy top laner had not returned to their lane despite still being near full health. Thus I pinged "?" over top lane, and was starting to type a more detailed warning to bot lane when I saw our top laner respond to my ping in chat. She said (slightly rudely, but understandably) that she had called mia and that it was my own fault that I was caught in the gank.

Only then did I realize that my "?" ping was being misinterpreted as a complaint towards her.

While this was sorted out fine a few lines later in the chat, it made me realize the harm that this change in use has brought. The "?" ping has switched from a quick, friendly warning of possible danger to a potential attack from your own teammate. This not only makes it function worse as the the easy communication tool it was designed to be (people now feel the need to check themselves if it's just a complaint), but it can also cause hostility when there was none before. In that game, the top laner and I had been getting along fine (little communication outside of pings, but no raging or anything either), but that little misunderstanding caused some friction for a little bit.

While this post probably won't reach many of those people who spam the "?" ping over their allies, I urge those of you who do read this to consciously avoid doing it in the future and stop other people from doing it as well.

78 Comments

Maximum Morde4 votes

Tldr

Immortal spax3 votes

??? Ping used on allies to harras them.

Maximum Morde1 votes

And? There are tons of way I can harass people

Immortal spax2 votes

You should ask that to the OP, not me :)

Pantheon Forever15 votes

TL:DR "Pings are annoying and used as weapons" vs "Pings are a more effective and efficient way to communicate" (who is held responsible for the annoyance that some players feel riot or the player)

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I'm taking the side of "Pings are a more effective and efficient way to communicate".

"Some committee of fancy assholes disagree, I disagree back" -Jerry (Rick and Morty)

Votable Jester5 votes

I have always been saying that pings are an efficient method of communicating with your team. My issue is that with the "?" ping taking on multiple meanings, it takes slightly longer for people to understand your message as they need to check if you may have intended something else. It can also cause misunderstandings and friction over misunderstandings.

I will almost certainly always consider pings to be an overall good for this game. I simply want people to use them to communicate helpfully with their team. Spamming "?" over a teammates corpse can easily tilt a player, which is bad for the whole team. It's the same as saying "wtf were you thinking there you idiot?" Even if you're correct and they did make a stupid play, calling them an idiot does nothing to help.

Owyn2 votes

so now pings offend players? what's next? /taunt offends players and become reportable? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Odinakos1 votes

No, but its silly that i ping ? accross the river to indicate possible gang from there, and the team8 just sees is as someone pinging irritated for something.

Pantheon Forever2 votes
Auroramancer2 votes

so now pings offend players?

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so now text offends players?

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so now mastery flairs offend players?

It's about harassment, and the toxic ways that good things are used, not the fundamental idea of just pings.

Owyn1 votes

Ok, how about showing us how to fundamentally and non-toxicly use /taunt and mastery flairs? I mean, if there ARE NO rules - there is no way to break those... but still people say rules get broken.

Auroramancer2 votes

Do you actually need me to explain to you how missing ping harassment is a thing?

TheMinez4 votes

Personally, I would like it if instead of the question mark (?) it used an eye with a red line, for "No eyes on mid/top/bot" meaning I can't see them for a change if (?) is too frequently being used in a passive aggressive way. It could be pretty simple in design, such as a top arc, a bottom arc, and a dot in the middle.

MonkeyMadness4 votes

I propose a simple fix: make the "?" ping REALLY LOUD, that way it's impossible for your teammates not to notice it when you ping that an enemy is mia.

CooL Ice Tea3 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/RQsEWPN4-players-abusing-pings-to-harass-other-players

Guess this topic is already enough to see that people hate the miss ping without a reason.

I mean, of course topics get picked up often but this was yesterday ..

Votable Jester2 votes

Oh I didn't see that. Still, I think my own point still stand separately from that. I don't want to have a "mute pings" option as that would cut off a reliable, universal mode of communication. I'd rather try to get the community to slowly move against this usage, so it can lose the negative secondary meaning.

CooL Ice Tea1 votes

The thing is people which are on boards are less toxic then people which are not. I can't prove that but it is my experience.

Most threads here about fk riot and perms bans should be lifted get downvotet.

And people which have a bad behavior don't show up on boards till they get banned and want to appeal a lift here.

I mean about 5 % of the boards community are trolls or toxic. The major part will agree with you so you can't try to get the community on your side since they are already.

Votable Jester2 votes

It's not simply about bringing them to my side, but getting them to encourage this view in other players who may not be on the boards.

I agree with you that the boards seem to generally consist of well-meaning, positive players (though as you said, we don't really have proof), but that doesn't mean that their friends are as well.

I also already pointed out that I didn't expect the post to reach many people who do this.

Besides, there's really no point in your comments about this subject being broached or not reaching numerous people who could greatly benefit from it. It's cliché, but if this post reaches and improves even one player, it is helpful.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

I understand (do not agree with) the censorship/punishment of players using homophobic/racist/threats in chat. I do not understand how a "?" can be offensive. Really people need to grow up people are allowed to not like what you do and they are equally allowed to express their dislike of you as you are their actions, while censoring/punishing players using certain trigger words/phrases is common practice, using a ? to vent frustration should never be punishable, that's absurd.

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? (ping) @ you! [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

I'm offended if you are offended, the very notion fills me with disgust! If you are just trolling, well done you got me.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Benjamin Franklin

Votable Jester5 votes

It's called harassment.

It obstructs your view and makes a loud noise, both of which can overcrowd your screen/audio, preventing you from noticing important details or just causing a headache. This obstruction of information in particular is in direct opposition to the intention of pings in general.

Pantheon Forever2 votes

Then adjust your sound if its too loud or take up with riot your concerns with the programing of the ping to make it more functional, but do not try and censor people disagreeing with you.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Move conversation to report a bug? (would remove my concern)

Pings are getting better "functionally" suggest how to improve the feature in a more appropriate section.

Votable Jester6 votes

It isn't Riot's fault that people are using their tool for communication to annoy their teammates, just as it isn't their fault when someone says homophobic, racist, etc things in chat. The fault is on the player who does such things. It's the same thing as a kitchen knife. Do you blame the one who produced then knife when it is used in a murder or the person who wielded it? Just because one person used it as a weapon against others doesn't mean the tool needs to be adjusted.

Pantheon Forever2 votes

If you wanna reclassify a "?" mark as something not to be said then why use one in your post to explain it to me? It isn't my fault if you are annoyed by something that you misinterpret. If we redefine the "?" to be offensive I will stop using it, until then your being absurd.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

If I see a questionable play not only is it my right to "?" (question) it, it's my duty as a productive member of the community to express my concern, which ironically is exactly the same action your doing by making this post. Just because I can do it more efficiently doesn't make me wrong, I have neither the time nor the patience to type all this out every game, for every play I see when such a handy tool designed by the game creators is at my disposal and is so much more efficient and effective (especially with the how did you word what you were thinking police scanning the logs every game and the bar for whats acceptable being adjusted to how it is).

Votable Jester7 votes

Ahh I see, you're a troll (judging by the popcorn). Still, I'll properly respond to your points.

I already used an example of the rude use with the Vayne -> Janna point at the top of my main post. While it was merely an example situation, it was a fairly accurate (slightly exaggerated for effect) representation of how it is improperly (and annoyingly) used.

I also pointed out that using the "?" ping is totally fine, but that it should be used for the intended purpose of informing your team that enemies are missing from here (generally when pinging a lane) or enemies are likely around here (generally when pinging some place in the jungle, especially dragon or baron pit).

Pantheon Forever2 votes

Ping's are intended to be a way to communicate quicker, its up to the players to decide how and when to use them. Simply being annoyed by something does not make everyone else wrong (because if that were the case you would be wrong since I find this annoying). Saying you are annoyed by a ping is no different than the player who pinged you communicating they were annoyed with what you did. It's hypocritical to think that you should be able to explain how others annoy you without being able to hear how you annoyed others. In a game without a pause button speed is everything and a few quick pings can say more than typing out this whole thread when milliseconds can decide who wins and losses.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Votable Jester5 votes

Pointing out that something someone did is not going to help you in the middle of a fight.

Also, the game has already stated the intended meaning for said ping. When you ping "?", the chat says that an enemy is missing. You could construe this misuse of the ping (conflicting messages) as intentional miscommunication with your team.

CooL Ice Tea3 votes

If you are on a soccer field and the player next to you makes a "what the f" gesture every time you didn't do something he wants this would piss you off, no?

It's the meaning behind it. And since we are no retards you and I can both say that a spamming ? Is nothing else like "what the fuck are you doing idiot".

Pantheon Forever1 votes

If you were dribbling a soccer ball with your hands (or making another equally absurd play), yes everyone would be thinking exactly that and in America countless hero's have died to protect our voice. The idea should not be censored even if we force people to class up how they say it. If you find a "?" offensive you should take a nice long look in the mirrior and reevaluate your life. [slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivWY9wn5ps

I got a chat ban 4 years ago for quoting Charlie Sheen, I looked at myself and made a change, now i quote Pantheon directly.

CooL Ice Tea5 votes

If you really want to come up with freedom of speech then you should take a little research about that. Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to piss of people because "you have the freedom".

Btw I could also tell you to look in the mirror if you think it's acceptable to use any way to get people triggerd.

Pantheon Forever3 votes

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If you really want to come up with freedom of speech then you should take a little research about that. Freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to piss of people because "you have the freedom".

Btw I could also tell you to look in the mirror if you think it's acceptable to use any way to get people triggerd.

People not wanting to be disagreed with doesn't entitle them to silence the world (but riot does have a mute function and your machine has an off switch if that's what you want).

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

You not liking something does not make it harassment, otherwise no one could ever have a conversation. I don't like what you said but I don't see it as harassment I simply disagree feel free to disagree back.

CooL Ice Tea5 votes

I guess we have a conversation right here and we don't agree with each other. Do I look like that this makes me angry in any way because I would see it as a harassment??

It's about the rift and that people there are trying to piss their mates off in anyway. The ? Spam is just a way how they can do it (till now, I hope the system improves) without a punishment and we both know that, don't you agree?

Pantheon Forever2 votes

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I guess we have a conversation right here and we don't agree with each other. Do I look like that this makes me angry in any way because I would see it as a harassment??

It's about the rift and that people there are trying to piss their mates off in anyway. The ? Spam is just a way how they can do it (till now, I hope the system improves) without a punishment and we both know that, don't you agree?

How do you suppose we take players from all different cultures, speaking different languages, and keep them as individuals and allow free will without anyone being annoyed. I believe a certain amount of tolerance is required to take part, not everyone will see it like you do (or me). If a "?" is enough to be punished it's enough to make someone lose access to the rift. How much freedom are you willing to sacrifice to make sure no one is ever annoyed. Unsportsmanlike conduct is a separate issue from what annoys you or me personally. Teemo annoys me, should I be allowed to report players that use him for that (of course not)? Trying to justify a player being punished for using a feature of the game as intended should never be against the rules, and if it becomes a problem it should be adjusted or removed not the player. A player using a ping to communicate that they disagree with your action is using the ping to communicate what they are thinking faster. The poster saying he understood that proves that its working. Maybe a new ping (to distinguish the separate uses) should be implemented. However saying a player can't communicate when they see something happening they think will decide the outcome of the game with team mates completely violates the teamwork/strategy portion of the game.

Summary: I disagree, the ping system should be adjusted instead of punishments handed out so players can convey what they are thinking in a quick and efficient manner (bonus points if it can be done in a way that annoys fewer players). Thinking we can have millions of players interacting in a competitive game without anyone ever being annoyed is absurd.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

CooL Ice Tea4 votes

I see your whole statement builded up on the fact that I would get annoyed if someone gives me a ? After I didn't save him or I died or stuff like that.

In every post I made I said ping spamming. This means someone feels the deep need of giving me as much ? Pinging as he can.

And I guess even if this person isn't in the same country with me, doesn't believe in the same god and doesn't speak my language he knows that it is possible that this will annoy me. Why would you do it 10 times instead of 1 time if you are not annoying me? If you do it constantly you have the goal to piss someone off. It's like the movie where the Chinese women at the restaurant is asking "and theeeeen?"

I saw that you always talk about one ? And that this shouldn't trigger someone. I agree. I disagree that it shouldn't be punishable if you overextend it.

Are we fine now?

Pantheon Forever2 votes

As a Pantheon main my ult triggers an "on the way" ping, after thousands of games (in a row) I can tell you 1 ping is not usually enough to grab someones attention. I myself find repeated pings as the best way to make sure they know I'm coming and I want them to run into where I am using my ultimate. This is a very fast paced game and players can often be distracted or not understand the intensity of how important something is quickly enough (especially in normal matches or low ranked matches). More pings means a higher chance of successful communication. The ping limit is already set kinda low @ 5-6 pings per minute. Try and think of the volume of pings as an indication of how important it is rather than a personal slight against you. If I ping once I got the kill in the bag, you are welcome to come grab an assist, but if i ping till my pings time out, I need you to help me and I need it now or I will die for what would otherwise be an amazing play. The same measure can be applied to them using the "?" ping to disagree with a decision you made, 1 ping might be for placing a ward in a poor spot, 5 pings might be that you didn't use your ultimate as Amumu in a clutch team fight when it was clearly visible it was available in the HUD and everyone died for it (making plays that relied on it).

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Holybambeirut3 votes

Yo! I personally find the "?" ping quite fun and i ping myself when i realize I've done something stupid. Yeah, I do that to allies, too sometimes and get "?" pinged myself, but if it's not spammed too much and/or followed by salt in chat I think it's ok! Sometimes we all do stupid things and "?" is like "wtf are you doing?"; if you can accept you can make mistakes you can accept the "?" ping, too!

GerAvos3 votes

I don't use them to flame, I use them to ask "why?". Because its a questionmark.

thacrazytaco3 votes

IDK man it's hilarious having everyone pinging ? Over the corpse of the cocky guy that 1v3d and died

Zelorxon2 votes

Say thank you to riot for having socially engineered retards into this game for their money making scheme, i just lost a game where the opponent had 1 afk and EVERYBODY in my team trolled by "threatening" me of report, spamming spells aimlessly, building senseless items and just afk walking until we slowly lost, they also banned the pick i hovered in champ select.

This game wasn't amazing before but now it has become UNPLAYABLE and it really fucking sucks. And there are only 2 people to blame: YOU FUCKING RETARDS that managed to turn this game into a fucking unfunny and sad clownfiesta, and riot, since they had only in mind one focus from the very beginning, to milk as much money as possible making this game viral using any sneaky means necessary just so that trunduhurr and that other fucker could fulfill their power fantasies of bathing in champagne and smoking dollar bills while sucking their overlord's chinese pee-pee.

Pantheon Forever1 votes

Not one mention of a ping, thus off topic.

A Liberal1 votes

Another rousing game of "12 year old or trump supporter?"

Also, your statement that this game is unplayable is wrong. A ton of people still play the game, you're just bitchy.

it be lìke that2 votes

why even associate trump with any of that.

liberals, smfh.

Zelorxon1 votes

Do they pay you in burgerland to be this stupid or you just do it for free?

Nilok2 votes

I tend to "walk" my MIA ping from the lane of origin to where they are going so players know which lane is potentially ganking them. So far I haven't gotten any miscommunication this way.

A Liberal2 votes

Whenever someone does this I literally ping on all the enemies and than say that nobody is missing.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Taking your example, here is what I would have done:

I would have pinged MIA at Scuttle near botside 2-3 times. People usually understand it.

In general I never ping MIA for another lane. I only focus on my own lane and if my lane is MIA I Ping the Scuttle on W/e side the enemy went to.

Votable Jester4 votes

Oh yeah, I could have definitely communicated that better myself; I'm fully aware of my own faults in the matter.

If there wasn't this second meaning to the ping though, my ping still would have been totally appropriate, especially when paired with the message I was typing in chat. I think I pinged caution to bot lane too, but I can't perfectly recall it. Either way, I could have handled it better, but there shouldn't really be risk of insulting your teammates when you just want to give some useful information.

Also, I ping over a teammate's lane if I want to point out specifically which enemy is missing, remind people that that lane is still missing, or do it for them if I think they didn't notice (maybe shopping in fountain).

A Liberal2 votes

Why is this getting downvoted

Morality Coach1 votes

In norms I throw for one ? Ping, so don't do it to me.

Cpt Jack Bird1 votes

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