what is the counterplay to bouncing blade
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Not standing next to minions.
Come on guy.
Ranged harass falls under the "stand behind minions" or "don't stand behind minions" variety. With things like Nid spears, Ashe volleys, or Rocket Grabs, you want to stand behind minions so they'll body - block an otherwise pretty powerful skill. With ranged harass like Lux's singularity, Brand's pillar of flame, and Katarina's Blades - you force your opponent to get a good CS score or harass you, you don't give them both.
Also - this notion that counter-play means dealing with something with reflexes alone bothers me. DotA was made from all the elements of an RTS game, Warcraft 3, thrown into a blender. It's a pretty solid mix of reflexive, tactical, and strategic play styles - and it's the predecessor of LoL. Not every problem has an immediate and instantaneous counter answer. A lot of things assume a certain level of planning and foresight in LoL.
Dude you can't look at everything that isn't a skillshot and say it doesn't have counterplay
Grow a brain already
you're a complete imbecile, ryze has mana, corki has mana, renekton is manaless but needs to go into melee range to harass you, katarina's blades do 300 damage at level 8 and bounce 5 times, is on a what, 6 second cooldown, and completely shuts down melee mids especially, not to mention ranged champs trying to farm.
you're simply a dumbass if you believe her q is balanced/healthy.
Okay first of all you all are being way too mean and toxic. Second of all kat's q really isn't that overpowered. You can take many other champions and their first level'd up ability is going to be doing similar damage. Along with the fact that she DOES need to get in melee ranged to actually use the mark beyond poke :/
if it had any repercussions towards spamming it, it wouldn't be overpowered, but she loses nothing by just throwing it out every time it's off cooldown.
If you are going to be so butt hurt about it just avoid being in range of it and play smart when you are in range. Problem solved.
She actually loses her safe way to cs by throwing bouncing blades overtime it is off of cooldown.
Better throw out the first insult that comes to your mind
grow a brain already, dumbass
Not going to argue with someone that is so focused on insulting rather actualy argumenting
"She is resourceless" Better nerf Shen's poke then
yeah let's do that, please nerf shen's Q, because that glass cannon shen build has been really popular lately, once he gets abyssal scepter it's all over.
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you're a complete imbecile, ryze has mana, corki has mana, renekton is manaless but needs to go into melee range to harass you, katarina's blades do 300 damage at level 8 and bounce 5 times, is on a what, 6 second cooldown, and completely shuts down melee mids especially, not to mention ranged champs trying to farm.
you're simply a dumbass if you believe her q is balanced/healthy.
except it only bounces so far. wait for her to use it and then go clear the minion wave. profit
YEAH! Mana obviously has counterplay. I mean, that is what counterplay IS.
What do you get when a dragon sneezes?
You, sir, deserve a box of cookies.
I don't get it.
Check her joke
During laning? Stand away from your minions.
Really, that thing has such a short bouncing range (at least per individual bounce). Staying a distance from your minions means the enemy Katarina is either going to have to get into melee range to farm if she pokes you, or she won't poke you at all as the blades can't reach you.
reread what you just said, "the counterplay to this single skill on a 6 second cooldown is to never stand near your minions"
so... stand near either side of the brush and open up your butthole to ganks?
Or...you could just ward.
I mean, (in mid) you're literally supposed to ward one of the bushes, then always stand near that bush. Actually speaking, you should already be in a good position to avoid it.
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what is that thing that gives you vision that you can place and will let you know if the jungler is coming... dam i wish i had one of those things but i cant remember what they are called and they are so dam expensive.
What the counterplay on Fiddlesticks' E or Teemo's Q? Or Karthus' R?
At least you can kite her when you see her running in to do it. She has to be pretty close unless she can bounce it onto you from a minion.
i can't help but notice you just listed three champions with mana. fiddlesticks especially having very big mana issues if he doesn't have blue. karthus' R IS HIS ULT, by the way, on one of the longest cooldowns in the game
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i can't help but notice you just listed three champions with mana. fiddlesticks especially having very big mana issues if he doesn't have blue. karthus' R IS HIS ULT, by the way, on one of the longest cooldowns in the game
So, what's the counterplay?
are you serious right now? fiddlesticks usually maxes his e last since the nerf, and uh, oh let's see... mana gating? wtf dude? fiddlesticks can't walk up to you every 6 seconds (especially since it's on a 13 seconds cooldown) and take away 200 health. fiddlesticks will also regret using it every time it's off cooldown because his main damage spells (R and W) cost like 100 mana each, and if fiddlesticks can't chain 2-3 drains together, you might as well be feeding intentionally.
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are you serious right now? fiddlesticks usually maxes his e last since the nerf, and uh, oh let's see... mana gating? wtf dude? fiddlesticks can't walk up to you every 6 seconds (especially since it's on a 13 seconds cooldown) and take away 200 health. fiddlesticks will also regret using it every time it's off cooldown because his main damage spells (R and W) cost like 100 mana each, and if fiddlesticks can't chain 2-3 drains together, you might as well be feeding intentionally.
That has everything to do with how someone plays Fiddlesticks and nothing to do with how someone else counters Fiddlesticks, though.
Counter play don't get hit by the first hit of the bounce, if she throws it it's down for 10s and the first hit hurts the most. Trade her if she tries to throw it on you. She will lose all trades until around level 6. Her base values are low and if she ever goes in pre-4 she will more than likely lose the trade because she can at most do 275 damage with a full rotation on you.
You hit her for 300-400 she hits you for 275 if she gets some AAs off. Then you AA while she runs and you just won the trade by 150+ damage. Just don't try to engage on her unless she is CC'd other wise she will shunpo away.
Most Kata's start Tome and a pot like me. Meaning she now has to burn a pot to get herself to 3/4 hp and now has to use her abysmal hp/5 to heal. Force her trades from there on and you win.
Not standing inside of your minion wave? Not letting Kat get the follow up damage from the mark? Punishing Kat for getting within range of your abilities if she tries to target you directly? Laughing off the honestly pitiful damage it deals?
wait until she is oo..- No
what is counterplay to ryze afk
MR if he gets void staff he is fucked by his range
Start flask and pots and try to zone her away from creeps with your abilities. If she can't farm up close she has two choices 1) farm with bouncing blades or 2) harass you with bouncing blades. If she does the latter, use the flask and pots, out cs her, and back once you're low with more gold than she has. If she does the former, then the bouncing blade harass is pretty negligible since the damage drops for each successive target it hits. Her bouncing blades cooldown is also pretty high at early levels and once she uses it she doesn't have much left in the way of damage. You should be able to reply with at least as much damage before it's back up. I think some people get trapped in the mentality of "oh no oh no that blade is going to hit me backupbackupbackup SHIT it hit me... and she's too far away for me to retaliate, waaahhhh op rito pls"
Really kat is a pain in the ass like zed because champs which used to be able to shove her around are now really restricted due to mana regen. Combine that with the fact that most kats run ms quints and start boots + 4 pots and it's really hard to force her out before your mana runs out. That and the old tactic of "shove her under tower because she can't farm well there" doesn't work with ganking in season 5 being stronger.
I am glad that we get constructive posts like this. No wonder Riot listens.