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As a toplane tank main, this is a list of champions I find unfun.

kasfas··3 votes·1,440 views
  1. Vayne Has too many things in her kit. Self peel, invisibility and instant re-positioner, and on top of all that, gets %max hp true damage. Intolerable.
  2. Yasuo Uninteractive lane phase that scales in to late game with massive damage. You can never afford to fight him because he'll just e out and fight you whenever he wants. Intolerable, I ban him every game he isn't already.
  3. Graves Also uninteractive laning. The difference is what he doesn't have in stupid amounts of mobility, he makes up for EVERYWHERE ELSE. Sustained damage, burst, burst mitigation sustain, range, etc. Intolerable.
  4. Malzahar Just his ult. His ult is really frustrating and ridiculously game-warping to the point where if he keeps ulting you, you buy a qss no matter what position you are in. Tolerable, but uninteractive.
  5. Kindred more so when they are popular, but the constant jumps and % damage make them a big annoyance. Tolerable in most cases.
  6. Fiora Her passive is neat, but I really hate being blown up at level 6 just because she got her ult up. Very frustrating ult to deal with, but otherwise tolerable.
  7. Gnar Much like Yasuo and graves before him, he has too much going on in his kit. Ranked harass as well as ridiculously good engage makes all but the best of other characters irrelevant when he's good. Tolerable when not FOTM.
  8. CaitlynTraps, traps traps. Traps everywhere! Gets really annoying to fight her and becomes LITERALLY impossible to siege against. Tolerable, but unfun.
  9. Brand His damage output is just ridiculous, and tack a item 3116 onto him and his utility shoots up through the roof. It's just not fair playing against brand because he annihilates everyone just for being near each other. If his aoe was smaller, i think he would be alright. Tolerable but unfun.
  10. Gangplank Lane phase is just farm farm farm. No interaction, then he just turns around and destroyed everyone from range. Very hard to punish, very easy to get ahead as. The same argument could apply for Nasus, but at least he's melee and doesn't have fantastic ranged aoe wave lclear on his stacks, AND is melee. Intolerable when in meta.

These are my most hated champions to fight as a tank playing top laner. Please leave below who your most hated champions are.

Quick note: This is my opinion, and i DON'T want these champs nerfed. I just hate playing against them for varying reasons. I know that people hate playing against poppy and sion and I know people hate playing against darius and Illaoi (these are champs i play btw); i respect that, but once again these are just champs I (ME!) hate playing against.

_ *Also, i didn't intend for this to become a hate on these champions thread, i just wanted to start discussion about what champions we hate and why. Please don't take it the wrong way._

58 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

shit 6 of those can all be solved with Malphite

Astôlfo1 votes

Eh, Vayne and Fiora would shit on Malphite. Yasuo could just avoid him altogether post-laning. Graves can perma-kite. Malz can perma-kite and remote farm. Kindred can just get MR+Lifesteal to counteract a Thornmail and kite otherwise. Gnar can kite for days. Same for Caitlyn and any other ADC. Brand is AP and Malphite generally likes armor more. GP's Barrels/Q are essentially remote kiting and the barrels shred armor.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol really?

http://imgur.com/wKq9Eaj http://imgur.com/pKrHMdm http://imgur.com/SkbhSja

Astôlfo1 votes

To be fair, you could just be a good Malph and/or they're bad at their champs?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

he has a slow, targeted that speeds him up to close in or to escape from an enemy, used on minions too... an attack speed debuff, passive armor and a shield , aoe damage and a great ult that can blow up and pick off a single target... start a team fight, peel for allies , or in alot of times used as a escape (when flash is on cd ) and you need to live you can use ult to create distance

his build path is pretty easy and forgiving... he is useful from behind due to kit. he gets great gold efficiency from items

worst part is his slow early game pre 6 and high cooldowns and mana cost early...

good thing there are tons of cdr to get now and you can get 45% and not sacrifice much for it so at max rank ult with 45% cdr he has 55 second cooldown

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

Malphite beats Fiora. Her %HP true damage doesn't mean much when you have ridiculous armour, a 10% shield that regenerates, and a ridiculous attack speed slow.

Astôlfo1 votes

Couldn't Fiora just get Cleaver and then parry the AS slow if needed, and that would probably guarantee her win if his ult was down?

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

Malph's E has a much lower CD than Fiora's W. If she uses it on one trade, he can just wait a couple of seconds and trade again, and come out on top. His shield also provides much better 'sustain' than the occasional vital proc.

Late game, she can beat him in a duel, but he wins the lane.

Astôlfo1 votes

Oh okay, my bad then.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its ok man... its all about learning the game

no worries mate [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Ralanr2 votes

Downside is that Malphite can be really boring.

kasfas2 votes

Counterpick is not counterplay. Also I dont like playing malphite all that much.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

no that is counter play.. by picking champs that have abilities that negate or counter the other champs kits

that is the definition of counter play

Mecha MaIphite3 votes

That's actually the definition of counterpick.

But I guess you could argue counterpicking is just a form of counterplay.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

it is... how else do u counter play something if you A) build items for the champ negate what they do B)pick a champ that negates what the champ does

but people just are too dumb to look beyond the surface and see the game has balance and counter play... and everything you pick/build/ rotation / decision you make in a game has a counter to it.. you wanna group and take drag but your lanes are pushed? guess what the enemy team can push your lane and take mid/top or counter with rift herald.. you wanna pick an all ap comp and have bad wave clear i build zzrot and banner and make it harder to you stop waves

you wanna go all ad i pick malphite or rammus and taric

but people dont want to learn all the aspects of the game and want their champ to 1 vs 1 any champ and if they cant they cry and bitch that they are op and broken and has no counter play

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

how else do u counter play something if you A) build items for the champ negate what they do B)pick a champ that negates what the champ does

Dodging a telegraphed ability is counterplay. So is dodging a skillshot, having good vision control, and refusing to clump up.

Against a Malphite, you stay further apart in teamfights so he can't get a 5 man ult. Against Draven, you can watch where his axes will land to try and predict his movement. Against Sion, you dodge his ult and Q, and pop his W shield.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

so there are layers upon layers of counter play ?

including builds, champs kits, etc

how would you counter play Annie another champ people cry about ?

say her passive is broken

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Some champions have more counterplay than others.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

they do... and knowing that and how to take advantage of that is part of learning the game and improving as a player .. yes?

Eedat2 votes

Counterpicking is not counterplay because you don't get to pick after your lane opponent all the time. Counterplay involves a repeatable course of action or window of opportunity that can be used to deal with certain champs and situations

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its part of it. and its not lane counter, its counter picking team comps etc

there is multilevel of counter play

Eedat2 votes

its part of it. and its not lane counter, its counter picking team comps etc

Again, counterpicking is not counterplay because you dont get the luxury of picking after your opponents all the time. How are you going to counterpick an enemy that you don't know what they are yet? How are you going to counterpick an entire team when you're first or second or even third pick? You can't.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol if you are 1st pick then you pick a safe champ... that can be ok if countered.. and then when they pick and its your teams turn to pick after words they can pick counters to what the enemy picked and so on...

counter picking isnt just about lane match ups

Eedat2 votes

Dude....

How are you going to counterpick an entire team when you're first or second or even third pick?

And then you just go on to agree with me that counterpicking is impossible if you're 1st pick. Hence its not counterplay. Play revolves around gameplay mechanics and meaningful windows of oppurtunity that you can use to take advantage of certain situations. For example, if Swain just used his Ult to clear a wave, you now have a window of opportunity to force a favorable fight. Counterpick, on the other hand, is literally RNG. RNG in the aspect of pick order and RNG in the manner of do you actually play the champ that counters them.

Let me give you an example

Counterplay:

  • Engaging on Nasus the very second after he uses his Q on a minion will result in a favorable trade.

This is reproducible and applies to whatever champ you decide to pick into Nasus.

Counterpick:

  • Pick Pantheon into Nasus and abuse him early and zone him off all his stacks

That is not reproducible because it depends on pick order, knowledge of playing "insert counter here", and is champion specific

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

each team has a chance to counter pick the other team that is why picks go back n forth

counter picking is more LANE COUNTERS

how cant you not realize that

Eedat2 votes

How are you going to counterpick an entire team when you're first or second or even third pick?

an entire team

#TEAM

How can you not read?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i didnt say you as in singular player picking blind... i said counter picking is a more then lane counters its about team comps and as a team who ever picks after the enemy picks gets to counter what the enemy picks...

and hence why organized team play is how the game is meant to be played...

and you can get an idea of what your team wants to play and pick based on the intended pick selection... if you are mid or top and 1st pick ask if support or jungle would trade picks... there is communication ... its part of strategy too ...

man you are smarter then this come on...

Eedat2 votes

Not sure how many times I'm going to need to say this, but it is not reproducible. Your team counterpicking when you get first pick are variables completely outside of your control. And variables that aren't guaranteed to happen either. Which does not make it counterPLAY

dunder kill1 votes

When you lose the argument but you just can't give up

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

who ?

GULAG 4 U2 votes

Vayne only does shit in top and if someone picks her camp her fucking ass and make her useless and ride your free 20 minutes win.

Yasuo isn't uninteractive, what the fck? Most top laners shit on him past level 3-4

Graves doesn't have dps. Stop saying this shit. He's played a jungler.

Malzahar is cancer, approved. BUT, he isn't even played top.

Kindred isn't even played top. what the actual fuck are you saying.

Fiora is a duelist, don't try to fight her 1v1 and roam your team because bitch can't teamfight?

Gnar is cancer, but perfectly winnable. This is valid.

Cait top is asking for a shitty ass teamcomp and having no lategame tank

Brand isn't played top?

Gankplank got his ass nerfed so hard that he's a half ranged nasus with less dps and squiushier.

kasfas1 votes

I didn't say that they were played top, these are just champs i don't like to play against in general.

Zach Sandwhich1 votes

Coming from Tank Support main

Zyra: Every melee bot laners worst nightmare. Trying to harass? Get snared. Engage? Fuck you I got plants. Jungler ganking? Fuck you more plants. Glad shes shit everywhere but lane.

Soraka: Do I need to explain?

Sona: Probably the easiest one of these to deal with, considering if you glance in her general direction shes already at half health. But the poke, insane dmg + utility, and a good Sona ulti, makes her very frustrating.

Morgana/Sivir: Both of these champions completely fuck me. Most of my preferred champions are cc heavy, Good sivirs and morgs can essentially negate a fraction of my kit.

Are any of these OP? Probably not. Are they fucking annoying to me? Yes.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

oh i main support as well...

i play

Alistar Annie Bard Blitzcrank Braum Galio Janna Leona Lulu Malphite Maokai Morgana Nami Nautilus Nunu Shen Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Trundle

and have played with success Ashe DrMundo Garen JarvanIV Nasus Renekton Sion Teemo Yorick Ziggs support

and im trying to figure out how to make Urgot support work

Zach Sandwhich1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cwE55HqG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-30T22:33:26.660+0000)

oh i main support as well...

i play

Alistar Annie Bard Blitzcrank Braum Galio Janna Leona Lulu Malphite Maokai Morgana Nami Nautilus Nunu Shen Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Trundle

and have played with success Ashe DrMundo Garen JarvanIV Nasus Renekton Sion Teemo Yorick Ziggs support

and im trying to figure out how to make Urgot support work

That Shen support makes me all giddy, as I got to mastery 7 by playing only Shen support (I earned all my tokens with Shen support, my games before that, while mostly being support, had some top/jungle in there.)

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

so i am usually good for most match ups/ team comps

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

R181 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cwE55HqG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-30T22:33:26.660+0000)

oh i main support as well...

i play

Alistar Annie Bard Blitzcrank Braum Galio Janna Leona Lulu Malphite Maokai Morgana Nami Nautilus Nunu Shen Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Trundle

and have played with success Ashe DrMundo Garen JarvanIV Nasus Renekton Sion Teemo Yorick Ziggs support

and im trying to figure out how to make Urgot support work

Have you tried Ahri support? Shits pretty good.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i trolled ahri adc before

R181 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cwE55HqG,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2016-10-30T22:42:28.682+0000)

i trolled ahri adc before

It ain't troll

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well if you dont pick "insert op champ here" and try something off meta you arent trying to win ,trolling ,intentionally trying to lose

or that is the why the sheep of league think

NastyMcOutplay1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cwE55HqG,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-10-30T22:33:26.660+0000)

oh i main support as well...

i play

Alistar Annie Bard Blitzcrank Braum Galio Janna Leona Lulu Malphite Maokai Morgana Nami Nautilus Nunu Shen Sona Soraka TahmKench Taric Thresh Trundle

and have played with success Ashe DrMundo Garen JarvanIV Nasus Renekton Sion Teemo Yorick Ziggs support

and im trying to figure out how to make Urgot support work

urgot support goes adc with no adc he can support himself, he farms and then lands e q q q on adc

Blàdedancer1 votes

Most of these have true damage or tank shred, so I deduce you don't like these bc they beat you ingame

kasfas1 votes

{quoted}

Exactly! I just wanted to start a discussion about who we hate to play against and why, but it seems most of the community took it the wrong way.

Blàdedancer1 votes

Ah mb. Here I'll pitch in, I main AP murderers aka Ekko Azir Cassio, and I basically just hate Vladimir and Yasuo xD

hsumis1ove1 votes

note to self: play vlad and yas against ekko, azir, and cassio.

hsumis1ove1 votes

Hmm as a vayne main, I hate Draven, Draven, probably Draven, and no one but Draven.

kasfas1 votes

Not mf or Lucian?

hsumis1ove1 votes

To beat lucian, all you have to do is not engage until you get your first or second item. After that, he loses scaling and he has very little range, so you can beat him every time in a 1v1.

Mf is a bit more annoying, but shes not super mobile, you can also run out of her ult most of the time and you outdamage her late.

R181 votes

Playing something off meta and having fun be your goal is not trolling

FioraWillCarry1 votes

{quoted}

  1. Vayne Has too many things in her kit. Self peel, invisibility and instant re-positioner, and on top of all that, gets %max hp true damage. Intolerable.
  2. Yasuo Uninteractive lane phase that scales in to late game with massive damage. You can never afford to fight him because he'll just e out and fight you whenever he wants. Intolerable, I ban him every game he isn't already.
  3. Graves Also uninteractive laning. The difference is what he doesn't have in stupid amounts of mobility, he makes up for EVERYWHERE ELSE. Sustained damage, burst, burst mitigation sustain, range, etc. Intolerable.
  4. Malzahar Just his ult. His ult is really frustrating and ridiculously game-warping to the point where if he keeps ulting you, you buy a qss no matter what position you are in. Tolerable, but uninteractive.
  5. Kindred more so when they are popular, but the constant jumps and % damage make them a big annoyance. Tolerable in most cases.
  6. Fiora Her passive is neat, but I really hate being blown up at level 6 just because she got her ult up. Very frustrating ult to deal with, but otherwise tolerable.
  7. Gnar Much like Yasuo and graves before him, he has too much going on in his kit. Ranked harass as well as ridiculously good engage makes all but the best of other characters irrelevant when he's good. Tolerable when not FOTM.
  8. CaitlynTraps, traps traps. Traps everywhere! Gets really annoying to fight her and becomes LITERALLY impossible to siege against. Tolerable, but unfun.
  9. Brand His damage output is just ridiculous, and tack a item 3116 onto him and his utility shoots up through the roof. It's just not fair playing against brand because he annihilates everyone just for being near each other. If his aoe was smaller, i think he would be alright. Tolerable but unfun.
  10. Gangplank Lane phase is just farm farm farm. No interaction, then he just turns around and destroyed everyone from range. Very hard to punish, very easy to get ahead as. The same argument could apply for Nasus, but at least he's melee and doesn't have fantastic ranged aoe wave lclear on his stacks, AND is melee. Intolerable when in meta.

These are my most hated champions to fight as a tank playing top laner. Please leave below who your most hated champions are.

Quick note: This is my opinion, and i DON'T want these champs nerfed. I just hate playing against them for varying reasons. I know that people hate playing against poppy and sion and I know people hate playing against darius and Illaoi (these are champs i play btw); i respect that, but once again these are just champs I (ME!) hate playing against.

_ *Also, i didn't intend for this to become a hate on these champions thread, i just wanted to start discussion about what champions we hate and why. Please don't take it the wrong way._

Where's Kayle ?

As a Kayle main I'm sad you forgot about us :( We need some recognition too bro!!

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