A comprehensive guide on how to beat Shen top.

Melledoneus··7 votes·14,364 views

Playing Shen top is pretty fun, especially after the rework. Catching opponents by surprise and maneuvering around them to trap them into trades is the most fun thing to do in the top lane right now. However, in one such game against a Lee Sin top (he was literally just ASKING to lose this one) the following scenario happened: Shen has drawn first blood! LeeSin "Did you know that Shen is broken?"

Now, usually I just think about this as a typical salty post-mortem statement. Anything is broken in the eyes of a person who can't admit that they were outplayed. However, it made me think... the community doesn't really know HOW to beat Shen top, and I've already gotten my S+ ranking this season on him, so what do I have to lose?

Also, I don't want Riot to nerf him for being "oppressive," so here we go.


#1. Avoid the Level 1 Cheese. What? But Mell-senpai, isn't that the strategy for beating Riven? How can Shen, a guy who can only level up two abilities at level 1, cheese me into winning lane? Well, here's how...

http://i.imgur.com/wr8Lhp6.png

These are the directional paths Shen players (well, at least me) take to execute the cheese strat. Early on they sneak into the far bush, place their sword inside, and wait by their turret. During the laning phase, they will attempt to pull the sword through you and chunk your HP, rendering you at a severe disadvantage. Is it honorable? Hell if I know. Does it work? Surprisingly, yes. It works VERY well. And this is all based on the ignorance or unawareness of Shen's opponent.

How to Avoid It It's simpler to execute than you think. When you arrive in lane, check that bush FIRST. Then, cautiously go up the lane until you see Shen. If you don't see his blade, assume it is either behind him or in the middle bush. Just simply farm and remember which angle Shen's blade was at in the bush. If you avoid playing into his hands, he's going to lose pushing power and you can poke him down until you force him to give up the cheese strat and essentially much needed farm. Additionally, you can bait out his Q so you can punish him hard when it's down, giving you ample poke and forcing Shen to play defensive. And playing defensive is how you outscale Shen.

#2. Watch Shen's behavior... closely. If your minion wave is large, don't feel safe. Shen at level three can still dive you in the middle of your wave, harass you heavily, and block all minion aggro with his W before backing away. Remember to also watch his minion wave as this is a clear indication of when he will try to get minion harass on you. Don't let him get that opportunity. Dodging Shen's E is always expecting it and sidestepping it, and that in itself can give you a good window to potentially kill him if he misses. He will most likely try to walk through or away from you, attempting to land a swift Q on you in order to make the trade more favorable. Maneuver around his Q and apply damage accordingly.

...and for goodness' sake, make sure you're not getting ganked.

If Shen is level 6 and backing away, or acting aloof, don't ease up on him. He's most likely checking the map for potential ganks. When you see him do that, all-in him heavily if you can, do anything to draw his attention. If you can, completely prevent him from backing away to base or under his turret in order to delay any potential ultimates. If not, at least try to interrupt his ultimate cast so he doesn't get to teleport. This can prove to be effective as allies of Shen will act more aggressive knowing Shen is coming, and having them play into your allies' hands when Shen doesn't arrive to save the day can give your team a distinct advantage.

If Shen is farming with his Q and moving around minions, watch which ones are low. His auto attack animation is relatively long, and you can quickly harass him and back out when you see him over-commit to a cannon minion or he's farming under his turret in general.

As for laners with summoner 14... don't blow your first blood underestimating Shen's ability to take damage. If you get him low and ignite him, don't let up. Keep hitting him as long as possible. Good Shen players keep a health potion available to heal through ignite's damage while they shield themselves with their passive. Not only does Shen deny you first blood, but he gains a distinct advantage in your next all-in, which is most likely when he gets more durability.

#3. Respect the damages. Shen can deal some pretty heavy damage if you don't position correctly. His E has scaling physical damage (scales with HP, nonetheless), and his Q deals a % of your HP in magic damage, which can prove to be an issue since generally base MR is lower than armor. Don't let him combo you. Even if he misses his taunt, don't all-in him immediately unless you know for a fact that his W is down. Unless you're a spellcaster, Shen's W will block significant harass. Just treat it like a Jax E: back away until it's over.

For squishier, light fighters: avoid extended trades with Shen unless you know for a fact that you have the damage and sustain to keep up with him. Shen has decent damage with his Q (need I say that again?) and his E will render you helpless to it. Try to build some sustain, then rush some MR to keep Shen off your back. DO NOT rush HP, you're literally just giving him bigger numbers to hit you with.

For burlier bruisers, this is a matchup you want to be careful in. Unless you can hold your own, Shen can surprise you with chunks of damage. Try to bring some sustain or MR to the playing field to match his dueling potential. Otherwise, stay back and watch him. A good Shen player is always watching his opponent for the tiniest mistake.

For tanks, you don't need to worry much. Just avoid Shen's CC and rush a Banshee's or Spirit Visage. If Shen has the upper hand in a fight, CC him and walk away. Even the tiniest slow can stop a Shen in his tracks.

#4. Counterpicks. Olaf This guy is probably one of THE hardest matchups for Shen. He can easily shred through Shen's shield, can use the uptime of Shen's W to stop auto attacking and use his abilities, and his built-in lifesteal lets him outlast Shen by a long shot. Not to mention his poke and slow with his Q is the perfect counter to Shen, who needs to all-in to mitigate damage. His ultimate also absolutely destroys Shen's chances, as you can laugh at him while Shen tries to taunt you.

Garen Fitted with a silence, a slow removal, and a damage mitigation move, all paired up with true damage and a large execute, it's like Garen was made to counter Shen. By pressing Q in the middle of Shen's E cast, you can deny him his perfect all-in, then proceed to shred him as his W proves to be utterly useless. If he manages to get a kill on you, he becomes the villain, and you can blow him up in the next fight. Oh, and he can't cheese out your damage at low HP. Demacia has a bigger sword.

Malphite He's literally the bane of all melee auto attack champions. Shen's Q takes at least two hits to go through Malphite's passive shield early on, and slowing Shen's attack speed will make the trade more favorable. Malphite can also press Q to steal movement speed from Shen and walk away as Shen's E goes on an 18 second cooldown. This matchup is rock solid, by all accounts.

Maokai Sporting the poke of a mage and the durability and sustain of a bruiser, Maokai is a force to be reckoned with. His auto attacks are nothing to worry about, so Shen's W doesn't do much in his favor. Not to mention that Maokai's heal still goes off if his attack is blocked, and he can avoid Shen's E by using his W to dodge it and counter-engage at the same time. His Q can turn away a pursuing Shen and his ultimate gives him the ability to deny Shen's team an effective follow-up on a multi-man taunt without hundreds of damage being mitigated.

Pantheon Probably the hardest matchup besides Olaf or Rumble, Shen simply cannot lane against Pantheon. While formerly a counter to Pantheon, Shen now finds himself at a disadvantage given the nature of his new kit: auto attacks. Without the sustain or reliability of an instant-cast shield to live past Pantheon's endless poke, Shen will find himself in need of a gank and a recall soon. Pantheon also can punish all ins hard, and can stop a fleeing Shen mid-taunt. Pantheon can also, to a degree, follow Shen across the map with his own ultimate, and has the tools to punish a Shen who tried to ult in his sight.

Trundle This one should be self-explanatory.

Graves Ever since Graves lost his cigar, he has become a god. Top lane is dominated by this guy who can virtually win any matchup against melee opponents with his immense early damage. Not to mention that Shen cannot deal as much damage early on given the nature of Graves' E, with the stacking armor and MR.

Irelia Irelia isn't the hardest counter to Shen, but when played right she can make his lane hell. When Shen all-ins, he will naturally activate his W to mitigate Irelia's auto attacks. Which gives her a perfect opportunity to stun Shen and counter attack. Her mixture of true damage and self-heals give her an edge over Shen, and her mobile nature lets her quickly jump and stop an ulting Shen.

Rammus Ok.

Volibear This isn't a lane Shen can bear to deal with. Heh. Volibear naturally does a lot of damage, and his E is the perfect anti-Shen tool. It slows Shen AND fears minions, giving Shen literally no back-up for second or two. Not to mention that Volibear can flip Shen mid-taunt when done right, and his W can execute Shen even within his Spirit's Refuge (W). Not to mention you can flip tables when Shen tries to ult, and assert your manliness.

Teemo Every melee top laner HATES Teemo. And for good reason. Branded by the community as "Satan," Teemo has the poke, speed, and tools to keep Shen at bay and prevent him from even considering an all-in. As long as Teemo keeps his distance and watches the river, he can win this matchup with no problem.

Rumble This is literally the stupidest top lane matchup Shen players can go up against. Rumble is the bane of Shen's existence, melting him and his minion wave and denying him all-ins with his slows and shields. Shen will almost never win this matchup without help, and will be absolutely demoralized by the time he hits 6.

Lissandra Yeah. I don't even want to talk about this one.

Lulu I hate you and you don't belong in top lane.

Darius This is a skill matchup above all, but Darius has it easier. In extended trades, Shen usually wins. But Darius is the KING of extended trades. Sporting tools to zone Shen away and cripple him during his windows of strength, Darius was made to crush tanks. And, come 6, Shen gets a global teleport with a shield. Darius gets to DUNK.


Thanks for reading my comprehensive guide on how to beat Shen top lane. If you guys have any thoughts, questions, or suggestions (this includes you little bumpkins out there who don't agree with me), feel free to comment below. And please, don't just downvote because you don't agree. Unless I was personally mean to you in my comment replaying to yours, there's no need to try to undermine all the time and effort I spent to make this post. Thank you, and may Shenpai notice you.

28 Comments

Dªy3 votes

SHHHHHHH Shen

Melledoneus1 votes

I'm charging my teleport.

Dªy1 votes

Shadow dashes over you

Thund3r Ang3l1 votes

{quoted}

SHHHHHHH Shen

Without a sound my friend....

Thund3r Ang3l1 votes

noooo Why you had to give tips ;-, I love Chunking my opponant Hp to 50% at lvl 1 item 3070 Shen item 3070

Melledoneus4 votes

Shh... this is for our own good. Riot will nerf Shen if too many people complain.

Thund3r Ang3l1 votes

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Shh... this is for our own good. Riot will nerf Shen if too many people complain.

LOL This comment made me laugh.

haem OH YEAH. SHEN IS SO BAD OKEY !! IM THINKING ABOUT MAINING MAOKAI BECAUSE SHEN IS GARBAGE! LIKE WTF, HE DEAL 0 DAMAGE, They nerfed his base HP and scaling armor to a mini gnar level and his passive is WAY TOO DIFFICULT TO PROC COMON, You can proc it with all of you skills and the cooldown is reduce when it affect an ennemy or an allie but meh, too difficult to proc still !. Muh passive and muh W TOTALLY cant let me split push and solo 3 peoples for 2 minutes , no because its garbage... Haem And now you give tips.

I disgress... Forgive me melledoneus.

honestly, it is a nice guide. Congrates. I hope people stop whining about shen being OP cause he isnt. he is strong if you fell to his Q proc mini game.

Edit: Strong or not, nerfed or buffed, I dont care, Shen still the main.

I have a question, Do you think shen is overshadowered by meta champion at this moment ? Im scared that Riot buff him then nerfed him to the ground afterward

Melledoneus1 votes

That's the spirit! Shen sucks now, screw you, Riot!

Jokes aside, I agree. Shen will always be my Shenpai.

In terms of the current meta, Shen fits in like a jigsaw puzzle. His ability to duel, split push, AND peel make him an invaluable asset to your team. He can win most top lane melee matchups depending on the player's skill, and his early game damage is on par with Riven if he gets enough time to pull it off. However, most people wouldn't bother putting in the time and effort to learn Shen properly, so he's going to be overshadowed until he gets a new skin or some other hype train starts with him on board.

Overall, the Shen rework was a buff to his dueling, peeling, and shredding. It was, on the other hand, a nerf to his sustain, reliability of shields, and his ability to mitigate poke at will. But it was overall a buff.

SaltyKracka1 votes

Good work.

Might wanna make a note about watching for his W, and forcing trades in the time that it's on cooldown.

Melledoneus1 votes

Hm... I seemed to have left that out. I swear I thought I put that in...

Thanks for the heads up, I'll add that. And thanks for the kind words! :)

Valexfor1 votes

Really good guide. Disclaimer: I didn't try this since I didn't yet play morde after his rework nor I play top that much, so what I say might be just rambling, but in theory it's true.

I would also say that shen is weak to Mordekaiser though for the same reason he's weak to pantheon, darius, rumble and pretty much most of the champs you listed: Morde can damage him through his W and his passive, if you know how to manage it, is a strong shield that can negate most of shen's all in damage. Also morde can use your w to bait his 2rd q strike! If shen is in his w he will feel safe, thinking that morde can only use W and E (adn maybe ult) but since the first 2 hits of morde's q are just glorified AA, he can start to charge it while shen feels safe in his W and chunk him extremely hard with the 3rd strike since unless you build as eraly on, your 3 aa will be slower than shen's W so by the time you use the 3rd it will have probably already ended.

Tl;dr Even if morde can't stop shen's ult nor his all-ins he has enough sustain AND damage to both out-trade him AND kill him, or at least to chunk him so hard that shen won't be able to safely use his ult before going back to fountain.

Melledoneus1 votes

Hm... I can't say I've played the matchup, either. However, here are my thoughts.

A good Shen player will and always will take note of Mordekaiser's Q strikes. Also, Shen's taunt can be used to control Mordekaiser's Q autos and block them in succession. Supposing that Shen is able to build MR, his shield will be able to survive Mordekaiser's sustained damage for a while. However, Mordekaiser's ultimate gives him the edge with its periodic %HP damage that Shen is weak to. Shen's shield specializes in miigating burst.

Valexfor1 votes

Yup, I see it quite like darius, a match of skill in which morde has a bit of an upper hand though, since he can stil ldeal with shen even in his w and he doesn't really care about the damage thanks to the passive and his own damage (we've all been hit by that 3rd strike at least once xD)

Thund3r Ang3l1 votes

Oh and I approve for Garen (Specially When you are the vilain...), olaf, volibear. Their kit is strong vs shenpai. teemo And Pantheon are lane bully in general. Maokai and malphite is a farming lane, mostly, you can still kill both of them, the only problem is they have long range CC to cancel your ult --'

Melledoneus1 votes

Glad to see somebody agrees! As for Malphite and Maokai, yes you can kill them, but it's very difficult to do so against a competent player.

TruckFump20161 votes

thanks

lost to a shen recently

got my ass whooped

I was like wtf

I used to beat old shen easily

New shen is kind of a mystery to me

Melledoneus1 votes

Glad to see somebody was able to use my guide.

Also, how'd you find me? Google?

TruckFump20161 votes

I just got my ass beat by new Shen.

Something that never happened with old Shen.

And I googled how to beat new shen.

I still don't really understand how his damage works. Like there is some part of the puzzle I am missing.

Like it seems like we are in lane, sort of trading back and forth, and then he just randomly uses some skill that chunks me hard.

And my health just deceptively gets lower and lower.

Like he has no "big move" that i can see. With most champs there is some kind of warning or window about what yu dodge or avoid.

It just seems like you and shen are in lane farming, and all of a sudden he just hits you with some normal looking attacks that destroy you.

Melledoneus1 votes

It's his Q. Make sure the glowing sword doesn't pass through you, or he gets stronger attacks. Listen for the metal shing sound and the glowing sword behind him dashing to him. Sounds like the Shen you were facing was weaving autos while farming.

It's kind of difficult to determine how younwere supposed to play the lane without knowing who you were playing. I could help you more then.

Dominick Destine1 votes

I'm not sure why this was necessary, Shen is one of the worst characters in lane and gets hard-stomped by Irelia Jax Riven Fiora Darius Malphite MonkeyKing

Melledoneus1 votes

Irelia is an even matchup.

Jax loss to Shen early.

Riven cries against Shen.

Fiora curb stomps everyone...

Darius is a natural counter to tanks.

Malphite is a farm lane.

Wukong's all-in isn't mearly as strong as Shen's, and he cannot keep up his ult when Shen taunts him. Shen has the advantage.

Also, Shen is powerful in the right hands. He can be a lane bully, a wave freezer, a split pusher, and a team fighter all at once. Granted, he struggles against drain tanks and true damage, but other than that he's very, very capable and adaptable in the right hands. So I can't be too sure if we can say he's the worst.

l Helios l1 votes

I'm actually curious for your perspective on Shen post-rework. I don't think I ever saw your take on it as successful/non-successful. What do you think of the rework, how it plays compared to old Shen, and if it fits his fantasy?

Melledoneus1 votes

Overall successful. He did lose desirable stats and his W feels a bit too underwhelming at times. However his new damage source and health scalings make him the ideal dueling tank.

Old Shen was a weak drain tank with minor burst. New Shen is a combo-shield bruiser-tank with health-shredding damage that relies on good positioning.

As for his fantasy, 'giant glowing spirit sword' came off as a bit strange. However, the gameplay aspect of it makes up for it, besides the fact that it acts as an anchor for Shen rather than a tool 8 times out of 10.

l Helios l1 votes

I agree on most points except for the aspect of the Q. It feels a little awkward at best, just because it makes him heavily zone focused, especially since his W is based around it. To me, that feels too misplaced on a tank unless you want him to only peel and not engage. It also makes him feel too easily kited out of the zone. I agree that W is underwhelming at times and the anchor thing on the Q is annoying. I like the aspect of making him more combo focused; it makes gameplay more interactive. I just think the Q missed the mark. I'd say 7 out of 10, but still better than the Soraka rework.

Melledoneus1 votes

The Q actually creates a relatively large threat zone for Shen. Pair that up with its uptime and the ability to chain it and you get the most difficult window of power to get around in the game.

The Shen rework had a good direction... they just didn't need to gut his stats as a result.

Jesse Spades1 votes

As a shen "main", I appreciate this post and find it rewarding that you clarified all the confushen.

Tecness01 votes

I disagree with the teemo / darius comments. Teemo I find it pretty easy to beat if he doesn't take ignite, while darius. darius is a difficult lane to just survive, let alone win as shen, I find.

DeathBurst1 votes

EDIT: Ah dang, I just realized this thread is 3 years old, who necro'ed it?... Anyway, I think the info is still useful, so I'll leave my post.

Good idea, and good thread, +1

Commenting about the Garen match-up as a Garen OTP:

  • No, Shen doesn't become the Villain by killing Garen. Kills on Garen himself are not counted for the Villain passive. Shen should never become the Villain unless he took some kills with a R-gank. So the True damage can be mostly neglected from Shen's point of view.
  • That being said, Garen indeed has an easy time against Shen but for different reasons:
    • Even without being the Villain, it's not easy to itemize against Garen. His R is magic damage, as is Grasp and potentially Bami/Bramble, so you need both Armor and MR. And even without Black Cleaver, is E shreds Armor, so if you go defense, part of your gold will be negated.
    • I actually advise against Q when Shen taunts. Instead, W+E. It will mitigate most of the damage of the all-in, and you don't care about the taunt while you're spinning. THEN use your Q, AFTER the E armor shred for increased damage.
    • If Shen's tries to R away, Silence works against it. A good Garen will try to not farm with Q and keep it to counter Shen's R.
  • So what can Shen do? Mostly ignore Garen or best case scenario beat him hard pre-6.
    • Shen can win pre-6 if he gets perfect trades, Garen misses the proper timing for his W, etc. But post-6, Garen has a combat ultimate, and Shen doesn't, so it's pretty much toast.
    • So after 6, just ignore him and try to out-push the wave (which, granted, is not easy given Garen E). I don't know how good it is on Shen in general, but specifically against Garen, the best first buy is probably Tiamat and/or Bami. Keep the taunt to disengage, and don't try to trade with it. As I explained, Garen's counter-trade is easy as fuck, but on the other hand, if you keep that dash for mobility, what can he do to you? Not much.
    • Also, don't panic with your dodge zone. A good Garen will probably varies his patterns with Q, but most players always do the same pattern so don't just W at the beginning and make sure you parry that Q, it's a big part of Garen's damage, not just his spin.
  • ALL that being said, yeah, the match-up is pretty much in favor of Garen. If you both ignore each others (which you should, if both players know what they are doing, because the one acting first is the one losing) and just farm, that's pretty good for Garen. He will farm up, get items, and wait for an opportunity to push towers. Even if you manage an R gank (and that's not easy), you'll probably lose your tower in exchange, and that's often not worth.

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