@Meddler About the Nidalee buff on PBE.

RlP K0BE·Dec 2, 2016·4 votes·9,612 views

Can you guys give some clarity on what this buff will accomplish? I know that it will assist her jungle clear but I can't help but feel that lane Nidalee might make a comeback. I really enjoyed using Nidalee in the Jungle but it is proven that her kit is way too difficult to balance around the jg. If she is strong she is too strong and now she is extremely weak. I'm sure many other players would agree on lane Nidalee being best. I would love to hear how the balance team feels about this.

24 Comments

RiotMeddlerDec 2, 20169 votes

We'd originally been planning on buffing Nid in patch 7.1. We came to the conclusion a couple of days ago though that it wasn't appropriate to wait that long after watching her performance in 6.23. Since we were right at the end of the patch development cycle we didn't have time to do anything but a very simple buff. A base AD increase seemed like a good approach as a result, given it's fairly predictable and adds power to Nid regardless of build or position (something we do want to do).

I think it's pretty likely we also look at Nid in 7.1 anyway. We do think it's likely her performance will improve a bit as players optimize her more for the new jungle (she's got more jungling nuances than most). She might still be too weak even with this base stat buff though.

khorneyDec 2, 20162 votes

i dunno increasing the hitbox on her q

DêcoyDec 2, 20166 votes

Yeah, make it global, because why not. It's already hard to land that shit...

WindLord7070Dec 2, 20167 votes

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We'd originally been planning on buffing Nid in patch 7.1. We came to the conclusion a couple of days ago though that it wasn't appropriate to wait that long after watching her performance in 6.23. Since we were right at the end of the patch development cycle we didn't have time to do anything but a very simple buff. A base AD increase seemed like a good approach as a result, given it's fairly predictable and adds power to Nid regardless of build or position (something we do want to do).

I think it's pretty likely we also look at Nid in 7.1 anyway. We do think it's likely her performance will improve a bit as players optimize her more for the new jungle (she's got more jungling nuances than most). She might still be too weak even with this base stat buff though.

I know this probably wont be enough to get her back in lane but atleast its a start. I would love to see you guys atleast try reverting alot of the nerfs she has received since putting her in the jungle. I think she could jungle fine without the original passive on monsters change. And would love to see you nerf her jungle by reducing damage done to monsters instead of always making it a gameplay/playstlye nerf.

would REALLY love the W auto reset to comeback ;-; a boy can dream

SILVER ELO GODDec 2, 20163 votes

I don't know how many times it needs to be suggested before it happens. People who actually play nidalee have been saying this pretty much since it was introduced.

Nice buff though.

WindLord7070Dec 2, 20163 votes

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I don't know how many times it needs to be suggested before it happens. People who actually play nidalee have been saying this pretty much since it was introduced.

Nice buff though.

yup everyone seems to forget a certain catsexual destroying people with jungle nid before she even got the changes

SwiftKitten88Dec 2, 20162 votes

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We'd originally been planning on buffing Nid in patch 7.1. We came to the conclusion a couple of days ago though that it wasn't appropriate to wait that long after watching her performance in 6.23. Since we were right at the end of the patch development cycle we didn't have time to do anything but a very simple buff. A base AD increase seemed like a good approach as a result, given it's fairly predictable and adds power to Nid regardless of build or position (something we do want to do).

I think it's pretty likely we also look at Nid in 7.1 anyway. We do think it's likely her performance will improve a bit as players optimize her more for the new jungle (she's got more jungling nuances than most). She might still be too weak even with this base stat buff though.

...out of all the buffs to give her.... this is NOT what i would have picked... i mean its a bandaid fix, and with her winrate in the thirties ill take it, it MIGHT make her playable. but it isn't the right way to do it

i mean yes it will help her first clear, but the REASON the AD was removed in 4.17 was because she was oppressive in top lane between 4.10 and 4.17.

i mean yes i know its a bandaid fix. but its a bandaid fix that will need to be undone if you bring her back into lane, which is what you SHOULD be trying to do.

can u at least TRY a 4.17 revert on PBE? i mean idk maybe run it for a few pbe cycles. i don't care.. but at least TRY IT. granted the 4.17 nid didn't have the season 5/6 masteries so i don't know how that will affect it, but what pbe is for..

if you are goign to stay dead set on keeping her in the jungle, her biggest issue right now is the lack of HP from the strength of ages removal, and the needless increased cool-downs u added in 6.21. start by buffing her hp back to her previous 541 with 90 growth and undoing the 6.21 change

SiG DxDDec 2, 20161 votes

graves was also and exclusive user for the hp bonus mastery ,stacking with lifesteal from items and resistances from E

E nerfed stacks and SoTa removed hurts 44% winrate vs many of his counters 51% most vs the champions he usedd to counter

anything for him?

i know you hate graves .but w/e

RexSaurDec 2, 20161 votes

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We'd originally been planning on buffing Nid in patch 7.1. We came to the conclusion a couple of days ago though that it wasn't appropriate to wait that long after watching her performance in 6.23. Since we were right at the end of the patch development cycle we didn't have time to do anything but a very simple buff. A base AD increase seemed like a good approach as a result, given it's fairly predictable and adds power to Nid regardless of build or position (something we do want to do).

I think it's pretty likely we also look at Nid in 7.1 anyway. We do think it's likely her performance will improve a bit as players optimize her more for the new jungle (she's got more jungling nuances than most). She might still be too weak even with this base stat buff though.

Or you could, you know let nidalee out of S/1 tier for a couple patches you know?

She has been a pick/ban for the whole year, i thnk its alright if she isnt the best pick for her role for a month or two.

Queen ZoryaDec 5, 20161 votes

I have a little suggestion relating to lane nid (if it's ever going to happen):

Maybe rework her a bit? Her second role is fighter, so....maybe concentrate a bit more on the cougar instead of her spear? Shorten, but widen her spear, make the cougar stronger. Give her some epic outplay potential back, let the traps last longer (man, 2 minutes is nothing compared to teemos shrooms AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THEM). And, i don't know, change the passive a bit or make a whole new passive. She should be that epic assassinfighter she deserves!

Just an idea.

LBmyBBDec 2, 20162 votes

I woke up and nidalee jg sucks now.

BlackexDec 2, 20162 votes

Or you could just revert all the pointless nerfs that make her clunky and get her out of the jungle. Her being a jungler is the main problem

Cougar AbuserDec 3, 20161 votes

She is such a good jungler, so it will suck if they reworked her into a lane.

Queen ZoryaDec 5, 20162 votes

Maaaaaan, go away.

Lane was her main and best role and every Nidalee Main knows that. They destroyed her whole playstyle because of the Jungle. I see that you obv don't know how to kick asses in lane. Trust me, that's the best feeling in the world.

I mean, she can still be viable in jungle, that's not the point, but she was it even before the 'mark on monster'-change. Everything fell apart afterwards. I always played her in lane tho, with every patch, but she got weaker and weaker, especially because of the cooldown-nerfes. The trades and outplays (one of her greatest strengths) got harder. It's difficult enough to land the toothstick.

I hope Rito will think about a return of lane Nid. Someday.

WindLord7070Dec 6, 20162 votes

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She is such a good jungler, so it will suck if they reworked her into a lane.

just like it sucked when they reworked her into a jungler from a laner. Time for the pendulum to swing back the other direction.

I actually prefer her spear being thin much easier to hit in lane when you can throw it between minions and don't have to position yourself in a way thats easy to read.

Klaus IohanisDec 2, 20162 votes

I love playing LOL because Nidalee and i would love to see her back on lane. In my oppinion what she need to be a laner again is a little bit more base hp, to revert the nerf from 6.21 or just buff the heal (cost to much mana for so less heal) and the most importand think REVERT THE Q CAST TIME NERF FROM 5.15 from 0.25 to 0.125, its to easy to dodge her spear now when u throw it if they have vision on u. And for jungle just remove passive active on jungle monsters and will be exactly what u want guys, a lot slow in early but still good after 6, plus she will be more easy to balance around this. Do your best Riot, i trust u and really appreciate your work, GJ! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

xravenixDec 3, 20162 votes

I really dont get why you guys changed her into a jgler. It doesnt fit her theme since she protects the jg not destroy it and lane nidalee was for most of the time pretty balanced

Cougar AbuserDec 3, 20161 votes

Describe "balance" to me...

Her Q got nerfed so it wasnt so easy to hit anymore. if she is gonna go back to lane (mid) that nerf needs to get reverted. and its not gonna get reverted. only lane she can be played in is top and then her ad ratios need to be buffed hard. and that would affect more people than it did when she first was reworked into a jungler.

Queen ZoryaDec 5, 20161 votes

Do you even know what you're talking about? ;-( It's right that the spear's not that easy to hit in lane and in general, but it's not impossible. It's not even THAT necessary. It may be one of her main skills, but that cat has way more power than you are able to imagine. And you just have to know HOW to play that champ in midlane...It's just the situation.

SwiftKitten88Dec 5, 20162 votes

just thought i show throw this out there before 6.24 goes live.

even with the "buff" to her attack damage... i still think we are going to see her get another large winrate drop because of the changes to blue and item 3116 .

attack damage buff only is going to matter before her first back... and the reason her attack was nerfed in 4.17 was becuase it made her OP in the top lane.

out of all the nerfs to UNDO that she NEEDS to have undone, the attack damage nerf is the only one would need to be RE- ADDED if she was going to lane again.

so.. yes.. nidalee does need a buff, and you're giving her one...

but you choose the ONE buff she DOESN'T need. and at the same time have giving her TWO more nerfs.

i am genuinely curious if ANYONE on the balanced team has EVER played nidalee before... have you even TALKED to a person who has played nidalee before?

RlP K0BEDec 6, 20161 votes

Dude look at what Riot Meddler said down below. The auto damage buff is serving as a band aid while she gets looked at for real during patch 7.1

Cougar AbuserDec 3, 20161 votes

Please dint say that she is unplayable. Cause she is not. she can be played. she is not that broken anymore and she is quite underpowered. but still. she is a viable champion at least in plat elo. you cant solo carry hardcore anymore though. so im really excited to get my cougar back<3