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Elo RESETs

Sordani··1 votes·2,130 views

When do you guys think league will realize they need a hard elo reset instead of a soft reset like they do every season? there are people stuck in certain elos due to trolls and ragers and feeders, and I am one of them. I'm not great at this game. But something is wrong when i play a game and win lane/roam/farm/and get kills and end up 13/5 with 395 farm, 4 towers to my name, but my team loses because they rage or feed or just wont communicate. I'm tired of this. I get the feeling everyone's response will be oh play this or that champion. but this game shouldn't be about playing champions like fiora or shyvana, sheerly for the 'carrying out of bronze' potential. Those of you who agree, lets make our voice heard. I'm sure there are others who have had this same thought, and I'll be the one to voice it. Bronze is the quicksand. the harder you try to escape, the harder it is to get out. No game should be so elitist that the elite players can sit in the same divisions for their entire career, and to hell with the rest of us. I would go as far as to say this ranking system is tilted toward ranking inertia, with bronze at least. Make no mistake, I don't have illusions of grandeur, I make misplays every game, and i miss cs, i die stupidly. Regardless of this, no one should be cursed to stay here. I've climbed from b5 to b3 or b2 three times and every time i get trolled back down to the dregs of league. Look at my summoner profile. Tell me, why is it i should be forced into the true elo hell?

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ValyrianBlade3 votes

Roam more (which requires warding a lot more). If you're truly getting ahead and winning Lane (and the poor KDAs people are pointing out is because you get killed a lot late due to bad teammates, understandable as it happens any game where 2+ teammates fail badly) then you need to initiate mid game sooner. Take that lead from Lane early game, and since it sounds like you're a solo laner you'll have an xp lead on the map in addition to your gold lead, and roam mid to get them ahead. Ward the enemy jungle and get picks in their jungler with your jungler. Teleport bot Lane and get them ahead with a good gank.

If you're ahead in Lane and your teammates aren't ahead, your focus should be getting them caught up or ahead. It's worth losing your t1 turret top if it stops mid from feeding 5 kills and losing t2 turret at 16 min. Even more worth if you secure a kill for mid and get him rolling so he can be relevant the whole game.

I've found the games where I feel I carried the hardest are when I start scoring more kills in other lanes than against my Lane. When at the end the other team says our while team was smurfs when really my teammates were all losing Lane until I gave them help and started to snowball them. 99% of players are really good with a lead, they just pay like they have a lead when behind and that's why they generally aren't good.

Commit Sudoku2 votes

Nah I'd rather not play against challenger level players in my provisional level games sending me to bronze making what you are are complaining about worse. hurr durr either way I have gotten my main and 2 smurfs out of bronze it isnt hard its on you. If you cant get out of bronze you probably belong their.

Your idea has 0 logic.

Elo hell is a make believe place bad players refer to when they aren't good enough to climb in ranked, it doesn't exist.

Venompaw2 votes

2 / 10 / 2 as quinn, I assume top. Your team comp is godawful.

1 / 15 / 10 as taric, no sightstone, and judging by the high number of deaths, you probably need the vision more than anything else.

7 / 15 / 13 as mordekaiser high number of deaths

6 / 11 / 1 As nocturne - no jungle item,

1 / 5 / 8 as nasus - wtf is that build? you want CDR, why do you have a ravenous hydra? why?

13 / 5 / 7 - as mord seems fine.

5 / 18 / 7 - as talon - why do you have a muramana?

12 / 16 / 6 as lissandra - Personally I think rod of ages is the biggest waste of gold in the game and no one should buy it.

6 / 13 / 19 as amumu - no jungler item, mejais? why?

Sordani1 votes

2 / 10 / 2 as quinn, I assume top. Your team comp is godawful.

1 / 15 / 10 as taric, no sightstone, and judging by the high number of deaths, you probably need the vision more than anything else.

7 / 15 / 13 as mordekaiser high number of deaths

6 / 11 / 1 As nocturne - no jungle item,

1 / 5 / 8 as nasus - wtf is that build? you want CDR, why do you have a ravenous hydra? why?

13 / 5 / 7 - as mord seems fine.

5 / 18 / 7 - as talon - why do you have a muramana?

12 / 16 / 6 as lissandra - Personally I think rod of ages is the biggest waste of gold in the game and no one should buy it.

6 / 13 / 19 as amumu - no jungler item, mejais? why?

taric was a mispick, i bought him a week ago. nocturne was a panic pick in ranked, was about too dodge and was jung. amumu was a game for the lols, a normal i believe. the nasus was a game that i was toplane vs darius and the ravenous gve me sustain. i was going for stacks, and i was trying to be a carry. talon's manacost, but i think weve established that manabuilds are suboptimal. lissandra was a midlane that i played horribly against, a zed if i remember correctly.

Venompaw2 votes
  • Have 130 creep in 29! minutes. You should strive to be in the hundreds of whatever time it is (i.e. 100 farm at at least 14 minutes, 200 at 23 minutes) Then you'll only get better with cs. I know you went top that game, but ranged champs have an easier time with cs.

I would say this is bad advice cause it's all relative. you can't cs well in every game, cause you need to react to what the other team does.

Just make sure when you CAN cs, you don't miss them. (some games I miss 4 cannon minions in a row while free farming).

On a note - most of my games by 40 mins, people have 200+ farm. 150 or so at 30 mins.

HalloweenDeath1 votes

The "No, I like my division" on the poll is stupid. Just No will work. Elo hell doesn't exist your elo fits you 99.99% of the time. Just because you play ranked a lot doesn't mean you deserve to be promoted. Having a troll or a shitty player on the map actually raises your elo because there is a bigger chance he will be on the enemy team and not yours because there is 5 possible slots for the enemy team and 4 for yours because your accounted for. I've looked at your match history and 99% of the games you went negative and your blaming trolls. If you're truely better then your elo says you are then even if there is a troll in every single game you should be going positive every time but you will lose but looking through your games that's not the case. You play ranked to improve and go up the latter and every loss game you learn more then when you won a game. If you are improving you will climb the latter even with trolls.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

The "No, I like my division" on the poll is stupid. Just No will work. Elo hell doesn't exist your elo fits you 99.99% of the time. Just because you play ranked a lot doesn't mean you deserve to be promoted. Having a troll or a shitty player on the map actually raises your elo because there is a bigger chance he will be on the enemy team and not yours because there is 5 possible slots for the enemy team and 4 for yours because your accounted for.

Agreed this guy is just a whiner he doesn't even see the fact that a hard elo reset will make his situation worse.

Sordani1 votes

The "No, I like my division" on the poll is stupid. Just No will work. Elo hell doesn't exist your elo fits you 99.99% of the time. Just because you play ranked a lot doesn't mean you deserve to be promoted. Having a troll or a shitty player on the map actually raises your elo because there is a bigger chance he will be on the enemy team and not yours because there is 5 possible slots for the enemy team and 4 for yours because your accounted for.

Agreed this guy is just a whiner he doesn't even see the fact that a hard elo reset will make his situation worse.

Yeah I'm a whiner, I'm a whiner that Isn't alone. fine my ELO matches me. WHY? Thats my real question here. what could I possibly do to deserve a troll in virtually every ranked game for the past 3 months? why should I be forced to hate this game by morons that refuse to communicate, intentionally feed or rage at the whole team and blame their deaths on others. please, because you think I'm a whiner, what makes me one? you don't have a clue, and you make these assertions out of ignorance towards me. Stop replying with your elitism, go get a few facts and come back.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

Yeah I'm a whiner, I'm a whiner that Isn't alone. fine my ELO matches me. WHY? Thats my real question here. what could I possibly do to deserve a troll in virtually every ranked game for the past 3 months? why should I be forced to hate this game by morons that refuse to communicate, intentionally feed or rage at the whole team and blame their deaths on others. please, because you think I'm a whiner, what makes me one? you don't have a clue, and you make these assertions out of ignorance towards me. Stop replying with your elitism, go get a few facts and come back.

You say that like no one has ever climbed out of bronze with trolls and feeders, well I am telling you it happens all the time the odds that you get the troll of feeder are lower than the other team if you yourself aren't a troll or feeder. I have been bronze I know how it feels and I am telling you when you get this ridiculous ideology about ELO Hell and just play the fucking game and improve yourself you will get to where you are SUPPOSED to go.

Sordani1 votes

Yeah I'm a whiner, I'm a whiner that Isn't alone. fine my ELO matches me. WHY? Thats my real question here. what could I possibly do to deserve a troll in virtually every ranked game for the past 3 months? why should I be forced to hate this game by morons that refuse to communicate, intentionally feed or rage at the whole team and blame their deaths on others. please, because you think I'm a whiner, what makes me one? you don't have a clue, and you make these assertions out of ignorance towards me. Stop replying with your elitism, go get a few facts and come back.

You say that like no one has ever climbed out of bronze with trolls and feeders, well I am telling you it happens all the time the odds that you get the troll of feeder are lower than the other team if you yourself aren't a troll or feeder. I have been bronze I know how it feels and I am telling you when you get this ridiculous ideology about ELO Hell and just play the fucking game and improve yourself you will get to where you are SUPPOSED to go.

you say that again, yet how do i improve what i don't know is wrong? thats the real point here, if im doing something wrong i dont know what it is. I play with a level head, i play for the team, get objectives, ward, teamfight, ping and follow mias, i dont know what im doing wrong.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

you say that again, yet how do i improve what i don't know is wrong? thats the real point here, if im doing something wrong i dont know what it is. I play with a level head, i play for the team, get objectives, ward, teamfight, ping and follow mias, i dont know what im doing wrong.

you actually hardly ward i can see your last 20 ranked solo games unless you were playing support you only bought wards 1 time

Sordani1 votes

you say that again, yet how do i improve what i don't know is wrong? thats the real point here, if im doing something wrong i dont know what it is. I play with a level head, i play for the team, get objectives, ward, teamfight, ping and follow mias, i dont know what im doing wrong.

you actually hardly ward i can see your last 20 ranked solo games unless you were playing support you only bought wards 1 time

fair enough. i do tend to not ward in carry lanes. aside from that, any other major problems?

Sordani1 votes

The "No, I like my division" on the poll is stupid. Just No will work. Elo hell doesn't exist your elo fits you 99.99% of the time. Just because you play ranked a lot doesn't mean you deserve to be promoted. Having a troll or a shitty player on the map actually raises your elo because there is a bigger chance he will be on the enemy team and not yours because there is 5 possible slots for the enemy team and 4 for yours because your accounted for.

Do you question that if the reset occurred some of the plat/diamond players would be returned to lower divisions? no one will debate that the playstyles, the way people play is almost completely different in high elo and than low elo.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

The "No, I like my division" on the poll is stupid. Just No will work. Elo hell doesn't exist your elo fits you 99.99% of the time. Just because you play ranked a lot doesn't mean you deserve to be promoted. Having a troll or a shitty player on the map actually raises your elo because there is a bigger chance he will be on the enemy team and not yours because there is 5 possible slots for the enemy team and 4 for yours because your accounted for.

Do you question that if the reset occurred some of the plat/diamond players would be returned to lower divisions? no one will debate that the playstyles, the way people play is almost completely different in high elo and than low elo.

But you are saying that it is ok that if you are lucky enough to get a couple Diamond level players in your provisionals you deserve to be high elo.

Sordani1 votes

The "No, I like my division" on the poll is stupid. Just No will work. Elo hell doesn't exist your elo fits you 99.99% of the time. Just because you play ranked a lot doesn't mean you deserve to be promoted. Having a troll or a shitty player on the map actually raises your elo because there is a bigger chance he will be on the enemy team and not yours because there is 5 possible slots for the enemy team and 4 for yours because your accounted for.

Do you question that if the reset occurred some of the plat/diamond players would be returned to lower divisions? no one will debate that the playstyles, the way people play is almost completely different in high elo and than low elo.

But you are saying that it is ok that if you are lucky enough to get a couple Diamond level players in your provisionals you deserve to be high elo.

No, im saying that playing the same level of player doesnt do anything for your skill level, you have no basis for improvement. in fact generally you end up playing like the bronze elo players. there is so little i can do to carry or play for a team that doesnt want to play for each other. they want kills or farm or gold, they dont care about the endgame. what cure is there for that?

Sordani1 votes

Show me then. What have i done wrong? please, since this is the ONLY response i ever hear, id love to see you back it up. http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/sordani http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35701605 http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=sordani Show me, please. Ive been waiting on a chance to be told my flaws, outside of my misplays that i mentioned above.

xDingwithsalad1 votes

Clearly you make no mistakes, buddy. You're the best player ever. Just trolls man, they ruin your game! Otherwise you'd be Diamond.

Sordani1 votes

Clearly you make no mistakes, buddy. You're the best player ever. Just trolls man, they ruin your game! Otherwise you'd be Diamond.

there is always this guy in every conversation. i never claimed to be good, much less the best. in fact my question was what could i do to improve my elo, and whether or not you think league needs an elo reset. so your comment is invalid and flaming.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

http://imgur.com/Qe9EiWX

If you compare our top 7 champions you can see I average an above 50% winrate on ALL of mine, higher cs per game average on my solo laners, and higher K/D/As.

Just in comparison I would say you don't fight with your team as much as you shoud and you need to farm more.

Sordani1 votes

http://imgur.com/Qe9EiWX

If you compare our top 7 champions you can see I average an above 50% winrate on ALL of mine, higher cs per game average on my solo laners, and higher K/D/As.

Ok, so you have higher cs. and better KDAs. how do i fix these things. this leads back to my other point, without a team to help you win you lose teamfights. they don't focus or they run in 1 by 1 and die. I'm sure whatever elo you are in, assuming it isn't bronze, your teammates at least somewhat follow the team and fight as a team, maybe even go for objectives as a team. in bronze you just don't. that is the problem.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

Ok, so you have higher cs. and better KDAs. how do i fix these things. this leads back to my other point, without a team to help you win you lose teamfights. they don't focus or they run in 1 by 1 and die. I'm sure whatever elo you are in, assuming it isn't bronze, your teammates at least somewhat follow the team and fight as a team, maybe even go for objectives as a team. in bronze you just don't. that is the problem.

you practice, play normals focus on hitting 5/6 minions per wave the more you do the more naturally it will occur because it becomes habit do that for everything you think you need to work on.

Featherztorm1 votes

you practice, play normals focus on hitting 5/6 minions per wave the more you do the more naturally it will occur because it becomes habit do that for everything you think you need to work on.

That, and if you see teammates going in for fights, or getting caught, try to be their saving grace. Or try to stick with your team more. Split push if you have to.

Sailor Mint1 votes
  • High number of deaths.
  • Fairly low cs average on most champions. Especially in losses.
  • Lack of wards. Complete lack of Pink Wards.
  • No Sightstone on Supports.
  • Suboptimal builds (i.e.: Essence Reaver)
  • Lack of Last Whisper/Void Staff purchases.
  • You never buy Zhonya's, rarely purchase defensive items.

You don't want two lifesteal or two attack speed items on ADCs. You want AD and a Last Whisper. Not convinced that Gunblade worth it over WotA/DFG, but I'm not a Morde player.

What's the reasoning behind Morde and Quinn? Do you play them because you're a hipster or because you genuinely like them? Playing lower tier champions is not a problem if you're very good at them. You might be better off perfecting your mechanics on more straightforward champions.

Commit Sudoku1 votes
  • High number of deaths.
  • Fairly low cs average on most champions. Especially in losses.
  • Lack of wards. Complete lack of Pink Wards.
  • No Sightstone on Supports.
  • Suboptimal builds (i.e.: Essence Reaver)
  • Lack of Last Whisper/Void Staff purchases.
  • You never buy Zhonya's, rarely purchase defensive items.

You don't want two lifesteal or two attack speed items on ADCs. You want AD and a Last Whisper. Not convinced that Gunblade worth it over WotA/DFG, but I'm not a Morde player.

this guy is right your builds are sub optimal

Sordani1 votes
  • High number of deaths.
  • Fairly low cs average on most champions. Especially in losses.
  • Lack of wards. Complete lack of Pink Wards.
  • No Sightstone on Supports.
  • Suboptimal builds (i.e.: Essence Reaver)
  • Lack of Last Whisper/Void Staff purchases.
  • You never buy Zhonya's, rarely purchase defensive items.

You don't want two lifesteal or two attack speed items on ADCs. You want AD and a Last Whisper. Not convinced that Gunblade worth it over WotA/DFG, but I'm not a Morde player.

Finally, a serious list of issues. The Gunblade is for Morde's q. his scaling on his q is AD/AP, so it boost his early game damage and basically give you more shield per cast. also it give you both lifesteal and spellvamp, which increases his sustain, he also gets the Gunblade slow for when he has to duel. Cs is understandable, it is a known flaw. i agree on the deaths and i dont really know what to say about that, generally those deaths are late game in teamfights, which brings me back to the bronze teamfighting issue. No way to say that without sounding like a cop-out, tbh. (I dont blame all my deaths on them, mind you, just that with my squishier champs (quinn,ziggs,talon) I tend to get focsed and killed while my team focuses a tank.)) all good points. so essence reaver on Quinn with low mana base and high expenditure is not a good choice? What would you suggest in its stead? I honestly dont play ADC a whole lot, and void staff is a main item on my midlane, Morde. Yeah i admittedly play a lot of glass cannon.

Sailor Mint1 votes

ADCs damage comes from auto-attacks, and mana issues will generally be solved from base stats alone well before you can complete an Essence Reaver. IE+Shiv is pretty standard on everything atm.

As for Morde, actually any champion, it's not about how good the item is, it's about timings. What does rushing this item give me? What can I do more from building this item that other options don't provide.

Gunblade just feels like a really delayed power spike that doesn't give you much relative killing power compared to other big ticket items.

Orbv1 votes

To be fair I have high number of deaths throughout (I over commit when I'm ahead...and as a support I over commit to other's) and I am still in gold with positive W/L. Though this number should stay down, it's okay if it balanced out with a kill or assist on your end (+1 for objectives).

Featherztorm1 votes

look at your KDA on carry champs and then ask yourself again why you're where you are. Going off of your last Quinn game you: ** -** Completed a statik shiv before any damage/sustain **- ** Have 130 creep in 29! minutes. You should strive to be in the hundreds of whatever time it is (i.e. 100 farm at at least 14 minutes, 200 at 23 minutes) Then you'll only get better with cs. I know you went top that game, but ranged champs have an easier time with cs. ** - ** Wards. It shows you only placed 4 total wards in 29 minutes that game. That's bot level. Actually, they probably place more wards.

I then looked at your Taric game and saw you haven't a single ()-stone to your name. Sightstone should be at least the SECOND item, shoot for first, that you complete. You can get your Medallion, some pots, or a ward and pot, but before your first back, you should start looking at the sight stone. Wards as well as towers win games. It shows you bought 5 wards that game. That = 375 gold you spent. Spend 400g early on and you have wards for the whole game! Then you can also get rid of your warding totem and start clearing wards.

All of these things factor into your losses man. I normally don't shout at KDA's, but it's hard for me to believe you were taking towers with that Quinn.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, either. I just did as you asked. Pointed out some flaws, and areas of improvement. If you want, you can add my alternate account and we can play a few. *

Sordani1 votes

look at your KDA on carry champs and then ask yourself again why you're where you are. Going off of your last Quinn game you: ** -** Completed a statik shiv before any damage/sustain **- ** Have 130 creep in 29! minutes. You should strive to be in the hundreds of whatever time it is (i.e. 100 farm at at least 14 minutes, 200 at 23 minutes) Then you'll only get better with cs. I know you went top that game, but ranged champs have an easier time with cs. ** - ** Wards. It shows you only placed 4 total wards in 29 minutes that game. That's bot level. Actually, they probably place more wards.

I then looked at your Taric game and saw you haven't a single ()-stone to your name. Sightstone should be at least the SECOND item, shoot for first, that you complete. You can get your Medallion, some pots, or a ward and pot, but before your first back, you should start looking at the sight stone. Wards as well as towers win games. It shows you bought 5 wards that game. That = 375 gold you spent. Spend 400g early on and you have wards for the whole game! Then you can also get rid of your warding totem and start clearing wards.

All of these things factor into your losses man. I normally don't shout at KDA's, but it's hard for me to believe you were taking towers with that Quinn.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, either. I just did as you asked. Pointed out some flaws, and areas of improvement. If you want, you can add my alternate account and we can play a few. *

actually sounds good, again my taric was kinda a misspick. but i accept that. my quinn that game was vs AP malphite (dafuq) whose q hit me for 1/4. needless i ended up doing terribly that game. you can add my account, same name on here as league.

Featherztorm1 votes

look at your KDA on carry champs and then ask yourself again why you're where you are. Going off of your last Quinn game you: ** -** Completed a statik shiv before any damage/sustain **- ** Have 130 creep in 29! minutes. You should strive to be in the hundreds of whatever time it is (i.e. 100 farm at at least 14 minutes, 200 at 23 minutes) Then you'll only get better with cs. I know you went top that game, but ranged champs have an easier time with cs. ** - ** Wards. It shows you only placed 4 total wards in 29 minutes that game. That's bot level. Actually, they probably place more wards.

I then looked at your Taric game and saw you haven't a single ()-stone to your name. Sightstone should be at least the SECOND item, shoot for first, that you complete. You can get your Medallion, some pots, or a ward and pot, but before your first back, you should start looking at the sight stone. Wards as well as towers win games. It shows you bought 5 wards that game. That = 375 gold you spent. Spend 400g early on and you have wards for the whole game! Then you can also get rid of your warding totem and start clearing wards.

All of these things factor into your losses man. I normally don't shout at KDA's, but it's hard for me to believe you were taking towers with that Quinn.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, either. I just did as you asked. Pointed out some flaws, and areas of improvement. If you want, you can add my alternate account and we can play a few. *

actually sounds good, again my taric was kinda a misspick. but i accept that. my quinn that game was vs AP malphite (dafuq) whose q hit me for 1/4. needless i ended up doing terribly that game. you can add my account, same name on here as league.

Cool beans. Got a class in about 20 minutes. It's 12:50 central here. I'll be on around 2:30 central. ~~ I'll add you on my alt account now, actually.~~ Getting pvp kernal error everytime I try to launch league. I'll try to resolve it when I get home.

Sordani1 votes

AS to my reasoning with quinn and morde, i have been playing morde since late s3, and I believe that i am genuinely good with him. not great, but good enough to win lane 90% of the time, to cs highly. Quinn on the other hand is admittedly a challenger copycat from zionspartan. I player her in probably a hundred normals and mastered her kit and took her to ranked. When you refer to straightforward champions, do you mean lee sin(ray charles), or some list im not aware of?

Commit Sudoku1 votes

AS to my reasoning with quinn and morde, i have been playing morde since late s3, and I believe that i am genuinely good with him. not great, but good enough to win lane 90% of the time, to cs highly. Quinn on the other hand is admittedly a challenger copycat from zionspartan. I player her in probably a hundred normals and mastered her kit and took her to ranked. When you refer to straightforward champions, do you mean lee sin(ray charles), or some list im not aware of?

Widely accepted strong champions.

Ahri Corki JarvanIVIrelia Jayce Jinx Khazix LeeSin Lucian MorganaMaokai OriannaRumble Ryze Syndra Thresh Tristana Vayne Vi ZedYasuo etc.

Sordani1 votes

gunblade gives you your primary resource, as does the item you get first back, hextech revolver. the spell vamp heals him for more than he takes using spells. when you build into hextech you stay in lane longer, and can recover from trades you take as morde. you also get 40 AP from the hextech for 1200 gold, along with the spell vamp. at level 5, which is generally when i back first in midlane, if not level 4, i have 1500 gold or more, so i can get hextech revolver, and even pots or wards if needed. his early game does not suffer from buying hextech revolver, it excels, as anyone whom has mastered his kit can tell you. i honestly see no greater benefit. morde is a health-coster, so early health regen and sustain is a must. his shield is how you win trades early, so your order is always eqwqer for abilities, you get a potential of damage level 2 from your q of about 600, on multiple targets. at a conversion rate of 35% that's about 220, or a full shield. when you add hextech revolver, you heal for the health cost when you hit a minion and have another ~80 damage tacked onto that total. morde is my main and i intimately know his scaling and capabilities.

Useless Ali gg1 votes

I used to be b4 now i'm s2 hoping for gold. The only way you can get out of bronze is to carry yourself out or have a pretty damn good duo. Bot lane isn't doing too well roam help camp their lane w/e it takes.On a losing streak? take a break n never play a champ just to counterpick! especially when you're not tht comfortable with them. If your team is counterpicking tell them not to.I remember I had a game where a guy picked jax n never used him b4 he went 1/16 gg wp games like this I couldn't carry because I was a support. Also try to get carrying roles like jg, adc,mid that's how I got out once I stopped playing sup so much.

Venompaw1 votes

better off getting armor on nasus instead of lifesteal (cause he already has via passive).

I'm a fan of ionian boots on nasus + frozen heart for max cdr.

Mahnigguh1 votes

man screw this Poll .... ELO HEL IS REAL...but why would you want to leave lol. I love being B5 for life. Its so easy to murder people. if i moved up in elo it would mean i would start getting owned again. I work 40 hours a week an am married and i understand enough about the game to carry a team and get fed but i have no aspiration to make it to the top of the LoL ranked ladders. A hard reset would mean i get all new smurf / hard people to play...let me beat up on baddies like myself please.

Sordani1 votes

Thanks for your comments all, I am clearly far outnumbered, but that's fine. as it is, I'm once again in b3 promos, thanks in large part to KingDcoy.

The Queen Viper1 votes

When do you guys think league will realize they need a hard elo reset instead of a soft reset like they do every season?

Never. Hard reset makes no sense whatsoever... it would also make games too random for the upcoming months that the ranked would literary be unplayable. I'm not sure you even know what you are talking about here, or at the very least, not thinking clearly about the ramifications a hard reset would cause.

there are people stuck in certain elos due to trolls and ragers and feeders, and I am one of them. I'm not great at this game.

You are there because you belong there and because like you said, you are not great at this game. You cannot get stuck in this game... you either go up or you go down. Simple as that.

But something is wrong when i play a game and win lane/roam/farm/and get kills and end up 13/5 with 395 farm, 4 towers to my name, but my team loses because they rage or feed or just wont communicate. I'm tired of this.

Happens in every elo bro.

but this game shouldn't be about playing champions like fiora or shyvana, sheerly for the 'carrying out of bronze' potential.

Unfortunately it is, more or less... for example, you could play Urgot all day if you wanted to, however with that champ it would be extremely difficult to climb the ladder.

No game should be so elitist that the elite players can sit in the same divisions for their entire career, and to hell with the rest of us.

Can you even name one single game, video or IRL where they put "noobs" and professional players to the same pool? I don't think there is such game... or if there were, it certainly wouldn't be a balanced one. For balance reasons, people who are bad and people who are good are kept separate to ensure balanced games, lulz.

Regardless of this, no one should be cursed to stay here.

And no one is. If you are good enough, you will climb out of Bronze eventually. You will not stay there unless you belong there. Period.

Tell me, why is it i should be forced into the true elo hell?

There is no such thing as "elo hell" ... it doesn't exist. Please, just get better at the game. Try to focus on staying alive for example and consider every game where you died more than 5 times a failure.

You could also watch some videos made by Gbay99 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4cTEpSzZcM

Kohlmeyer1 votes

Well, all the judging aside. I wish there was option at the beginning of a season to choose to hard or soft reset. Obviously anyone in higher tiers will opt to soft reset. If you hard reset make it so your placement matches are total of 20 games and the highest you can place is Silver I.

I personally jumped into ranked waaay too early in season 3 when I started playing which landed me in Bronze V. I thought the soft reset going into season 4 was a little bit 'harder' so I worked hard on those promotion matches, won 7 out of 10...and was placed in Bronze V. I know I could climb out of Bronze eventually, but the eventually is the part that really turns me off to it. I feel like majority of the time I have to pick support or one of the people picking after me will just troll support and not actually support. It just feels so tedious...

The Queen Viper1 votes

Well, all the judging aside. I wish there was option at the beginning of a season to choose to hard or soft reset. Obviously anyone in higher tiers will opt to soft reset. If you hard reset make it so your placement matches are total of 20 games and the highest you can place is Silver I.

I'm not exactly sure what this would accomplish really... every bronze player would do that, probably low tier silvers too. Nothing would really change, only the fact that people who are silver would QQ more about getting bronzies into their team and those teams would be comprised of bronze and silver players which could then again, make games more imbalanced.

Sordani1 votes

This is the very thing i have happen, only i won 8 of 10 games, placed bronze 5 season 4 after being in bronze 4 in season 3. at the very least, they should be more transparent with their 'MMR' system. it clearly differs from elo. i personally don't belive this game is skill based. not in low tiers. who seriously knows what MMR is? riot employees? If i knew what really affected my LP per game and how placement worked i would know what to focus on improving. i will digress and say ive climbed to b1, further proof of the quicksand-like nature of bronze. i had to tryhard every single game i won, and even then just two days ago when i got into b1, i had another game that i went 24/8/11 259 farm and 20k gold, and the whole reason we lost is the team had no map awareness and walked into fights 1 by 1. this is the sort of thing id like to see go away. i posted this when i was in bronze 4 after another troll game and since then ive promoted 5 times, and demoted twice. im sitting at bronze 1, about to hit silver. do you guys think that MMR should be more transparent?

The Queen Viper1 votes

i personally don't belive this game is skill based. not in low tiers.

Depends. If you would have skill, you wouldn't be in lower tiers. Every skilled player would literally just stomp bronze and silver players. Period. When it comes to lower tiers, it's more about the lack of skill, motivation and experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccU4y15XQ9Y

and even then just two days ago when i got into b1, i had another game that i went 24/8/11 259 farm and 20k gold, and the whole reason we lost is the team had no map awareness and walked into fights 1 by 1. this is the sort of thing id like to see go away.

Well people are in b1 for a reason, but if you want to make those things go away, you should start by NEVER getting more than 10 kills in a game. No matter what your role and champ is -> practice kill/gold distribution. It's more effective to have a balanced gold gain amongst the whole team than have that 1 player who has all the gold and items. That would be putting your eggs into one single basket.

Diljic1 votes

I make misplays every game, and i miss cs, i die stupidly.

As soon as you fix this you won't be stuck in bronze.

If i knew what really affected my LP per game and how placement worked i would know what to focus on improving.

There is no magic in game KDA, wards placed, champion picked bullet that has anything to do with LP gain. It is entire based on winning (or losing) and the average MMR of your team vs the opposing team. If you go against higher rated teams and win you will gain more LP/MMR and also lose less. If you go against a team that the system thinks you should beat (you are the higher rated team) you will gain less for a win and lose more for a loss. Repeat this over and over.

Sordani1 votes

thats post placement. how does the placement even affet your ranking? i won 80% of my placements and got bronze 5 after being in 4 in season 3. so not only did i lose mmr somehow, but i dropped a division regardless of a high winrate in my placements. how can that possibly be a fair system?

Sordani1 votes

Really the best course after a bit or research is to bring back to tribunal and impose real punishments to trolls. toxicity/raging/intentionally feeding should be more than just a slap on the wrist chat restriction or temp ban, i want to see a 3 strike policy on toxicity and intentionally feeding, as both ruin the game for others. that wouls reduce the main thing i see in bronze, which are the trolls that say 'hahahahahaah report me noob, they won't do anything'. and without a combined 4 person report they simply don't. its rather irritating that our community is plauged by this type of troll and we have no real way of getting their bad behaviour up the chain to riot. muting them works, but they don't need to be doing this either way. it damages the overall experience.

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