Why 'Low Priority' Queue is a horrible idea.

Sordani·3/12/2017, 8:34:32 AM·16 votes·12,457 views
  1. You block people from chatting with friends while in this queue, or performing any action in the client.
  2. You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game(see also point 5,6).
  3. You Incentivize a mentality in game that detracts from the fun aspects of the game(by enforcing an arbitrary penalty on people, you create a mentality forcing those people to remain in game, despite having things vastly more important than a match of league (See 3,5,6)).
  4. You apply this penalty during blind pick games, a location I think we can all agree is the casual section of play.
  5. You force people to wait half of the time it would take to play an average match(20 fucking minutes), and there are thousands of people who don't have 1.5 Hours for a single game.
  6. This has prevented me personally from being able to play, as a working professional, I do not have the ability to always sit down and play for 60-90 minutes, and I have a job that I am on call for 24/7, I know I'm not alone here(And no, saying 'then don't play' isn't a valid counterpoint).
  7. This type of penalty also is incurred when your game crashes, or will not connect to your servers. Browse the support forums, and tell me that BSODs caused by your game are our problem, when you now penalize leavers, regardless of reason. P.S.: WE all know this doesn't work. Trolls will alt-tab and wait, legitimate players will leave and play DOTA2 or other MOBAs, rather than wait 20 minutes to play your game. You aren't going to 'cure' leavers until your game doesn't cause crashes on computers and America's many realms of shitty broadband go away(And I wouldn't hold my breath for that).

59 Comments

Deep Terror Nami3/12/2017, 8:46:46 AM17 votes

You block people from chatting with friends while in this queue, or performing any action in the client.

Sure, that's an issue that should (and likely will) be fixed at some point.

You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game

Your problems shouldn't be a problem for the other players in the game. If you have a "life outside the video game" then go live it instead of queuing up for a match you can't commit to. Dealing with a 4v5 is a really horrible experience, regardless of the reason/excuse for the absence.

You Incentivize a mentality in game that detracts from the fun aspects of the game

Your fun does not take priority over the fun of everyone else.

You apply this penalty during blind pick games, a location I think we can all agree is the casual section of play

Don't think too hard if you're coming up with that kind of conclusion; people don't want to 4v5 in there either.

You force people to wait half of the time it would take to play an average match

Yeah, and let's say you left a 20 minute match which caused your penalty. That is a whopping 3 hours of total time (not including queue and champ select) you affected other players. And no, just because the other team won due to your absence doesn't make it fun for them. This isn't about you, this is about how your absence is affecting other people.

This has prevented me personally from being able to play, as a working professional, I do not have the ability to always sit down and play for 60-90 minutes, and I have a job that I am on call for 24/7, I know I'm not alone here(And no, saying 'then don't play' isn't a valid counterpoint).

Yes, saying "don't play" is a valid counterpoint, whether you want it to be or not. The entire premise of your argument is that it's a problem for you, with no consideration to the other players. There are plenty of things you can do that won't impact other people if you are unable to commit a certain amount of time or may leave without notice.

This type of penalty also is incurred when your game crashes, or will not connect to your servers.

There are Riot Support staff dedicated to assisting you with these kinds of issues, which are on your end 99% of the time, not Riot's. If you have recurring connection or client issues, please post over on the Help & Support board and they will assist you.

You don't want to or can't commit to a full match, or are having stability/connection issues frequently? That's something for you to deal with, not for everyone else to suffer through because you don't care. That is what the penalty is for; to get you to fix your problems or mitigate the damage you can cause if you refuse/fail to.

Ninox3/12/2017, 11:57:21 AM7 votes

literally your only response to my criticism is 'don't play'. how about this: fuck you.

Not the best way to generate discussion or garner sympathy. If you feel you have valid feedback about something, being an asshole will see your feedback dismissed rather than considered. Whether your opinions differ or not, I think you can appreciate that Deep Terror Nami took the time to give you an extensive explanation of why things are the way they are.

no rebuttal, so you discount the point. kk.

How about this then, not everyone is ranked or nothing, or normals is for casuals only. For the longest time I ONLY played normals, and while I was perfectly happy with the casual part, there is a difference between being casual and picking a dumb support like Liss and screwing over your whole team because you couldn't fulfill a commitment.

Nobody likes a leaver, even in ARAMs which are about as casual as it gets. About the only place people don't care much is in bots, but even there it's a bad experience for any new players involved.

Why should you be allowed to negatively impact 9 other players (from the sounds of it in a lot games you play) while you get off scott free for that?

If you joined a [insert sport here] team and either failed to show up, were late to or had to leave early from most of your practice games in the season, there's no way they'd let you play competitively, and depending on how serious the team was they may kick you out entirely.

tl;dr When it comes to ruining experiences, normals matter just as much as ranked.

the irreparable issues with internet and rito's broken dx11 implementation, its your fault because we got inconvenienced; our digital game was ruined, and to hell with things that matter.. like, say..: work, life, family?

I live in goddamn Australia, I still struggle along with unreliable ADSL2+ internet, and yet I've never been Leaver Bustered. If your internet is bad enough that you are influencing large numbers of players then you either don't play or accept that you are going to be damn near permanently Leaver Bustered. We live with the consequences of our circumstances as much as those of our actions, and we make do. You know, without fucking with other people along the way if at all possible. That's the decent thing to do anyway.

If back in the day there was a game that required higher PC specs than you had, would you blame the company that made the game for not making it low spec enough? Or would you simply accept that it is beyond your reach until something changes like upgrading your pc or such. Sometimes those changes aren't possible, but it doesn't change the reality.

Of course there are things more important than video games, but the vast majority of players seem to balance that just fine, so maybe you should look to your own problems instead of bitching about your inconvenience when you have inconvenienced countless others.

League will shrink if they keep this up

You're welcome to think that, but people have been saying that for years and it hasn't happened yet. If League dies it will be a good while away because of changes to the market (or something more unforeseen like loss of creative control etc), not because of punishing players who are hurting others.

These boards are just like the fanboy reddit threads. down-vote anything you disagree with, ignore the points made and tell them to leave, when that fails, make character attacks, when that fails, revert back to step one, rinse, repeat, until the person who dared speak up gives up or goes away.

...I think maybe you should take a look at your content. You know that saying "you need to take a good, hard look in the mirror"?

"down-vote anything you disagree with, ignore the points made and tell them to leave" " how about this: fuck you."

'you dc a couple times after our game crashes your computer? here, sit in a queue that does nothing for 20 minutes, and don't bother trying to browse the store or chat with your friends

Vast majority of people I talk to have never had a problem with the client, and those that have, are usually fixed in an hour if they bother to try. Maybe accept that it isn't the game/client that is the problem, but rather the game/client + your PC + possibly your internet.

Personally, I disagree with locking players out of client functions while in LPQ, especially those that are queued with the LPQ rather than on it themselves, but ultimately, it is the consequence of your action. Take some responsibility. This is a MULTIPLAYER game, and if you cannot respect the needs and wishes of others even a little bit, then multiplayer really isn't the place for you.

tell them to 'get better interwebz'. see how that goes for ya.

Again, rural Australia here. If my internet is being dodgy, I just don't play. It's really not that hard. Pick up some single player games to play when your net is on the fritz. Really, also not that hard.

99% of the time I don't choose to leave?

Does it matter? Whether you chose to or not, you've had the same impact on those 9 other players. Riot knows that stuff comes up, and if you dc every now and again, you'll never be punished. You have to be leaving quite a few games to be punished for it, especially so if you've made it to 20 min LPQs.

your comment again gives the middle finger to millions of people, because DCs inconvenience you

In a game with millions of people, if frequent leaves were not punished in some way then they would be inconveniencing millions of people. This isn't something specifically targeted at you, rather it is targeted at ALL of those people who frequently ruin the experience of others.

Some people have lives, and maybe only get to play one game a day (funny sounds kinda like you), and the last thing they want for that game is to have it ruined by some asshat who KNOWS he is very likely to DC or have to leave and played anyway, then proceeded to leave.

adding a time penalty to time-restricted people only guarantees they won't play your game

While most games only go for 40~ mins, some can go much longer, and if you are struggling to commit an hour and a bit to a game, then you can't realistically expect to fulfill that commitment anyway, so frankly, you shouldn't be playing, because EVERY.SINGLE.GAME you leave, is a game ruined for NINE other people. One persons inconvenience (yours) does not outweigh the enjoyment of NINE others. Especially if it is happening all the time. 1 is not greater than 9, and 1 is certainly not greater than the x number of people you have screwed over.

its why fast food restaurants have policies like 'the customer is always right', because no matter who was wrong, the worst thing you can do is lose their business permanently.

Except, the worst thing they can do is allow that person to be 'right' and permanently lose the business of every other person they mess with. If it's losing one customer or 20, then from 'a business standpoint' I think we all know who is going to get banned from the store.

Without the players, what does Riot have?

Without the players who negatively affect others, they have 100% positive players who will improve the community and draw more people to the game. Nothing turns people off a game faster than having every match they play ruined in some way or the other.

This logic has been around forever. If you get rot in your grain you can't just leave it, you have to separate it out or it will contaminate ALL of your grain.

Moooose33/12/2017, 8:52:57 AM5 votes

Somebody got put in a low priority queue and is bitching. If you're gonna play an online game, you should probably get better internet lol. That's like showing up to a football game without fucking pads, you won't be able to play, deal with it. Maybe don't commit to games you can't finish and stop wasting your time bitching about it on the boards.

dudesdfu8/2/2017, 7:45:14 PM3 votes

Agree with the OP... Regardless of it solving "issues" with 4v5s. DC, Crash, Client Issues that have been documented from the beginning of this game. How does 20 min EXTRA que time justify as a penalty. It makes this game unplayable for most found in this situation. It is a HUGE turn off. There is a reason this game has lost so many players and continuing to do so. You may not see it but as eSports and the gaming market in general continues to expand and grow. League is only going to keep shrinking. I don't care about the opinions of those who are still blind in seeing that this game has SO many flaws and how this punishment system just kills any player's chance at returning to this game. Why League will eventually fall -Age. Why League is reducing total player count -This shitty system. Although it may be completely irrelevant to this entire post but how do people even find MOBA or the MOBA genre fun? For me it used to be "every game is different" but I am certain that after playing for years... This game is the same thing over and over. Just in a different package. People stop being sheep.

Sletzer9/17/2017, 9:22:33 PM3 votes

Here is where you find out who takes video games way to serious and who really enjoys them for fun. This has to be the worst system i have ever seen on any game i have ever played. 30 minutes matches? and you end up waiting nearly 10 to even start a match at best..lol so now you make people wait even longer to play ..fun game too bad it has a major flaw here

bobyjhon13210/27/2017, 4:23:06 AM3 votes

I really don't understand why this is sitting at -24 tho. It's one of the most relatable posts on the boards I've ever seen. Why not make leaver buster 5 minutes? I know it used to be 5, then 10, then 20, now it's only 20

deathgod53/12/2017, 1:32:26 PM3 votes

I never got low priority queue. I left games before because of important occasions or things I forgot. You need to consistently leave games to get low priority queue. I also got bad internet for quite a while now, I disconnect once or twice during some matches, I still don't get low priority queue. I also have a life, I do not start a game if other life related stuff comes up.

The only thing I agree on is that getting low priority queue because of a crash is pretty shit.

Nanami Rai7/28/2017, 9:21:33 PM2 votes

Really though. I didn't even have the ability to load into a game last month because my client crashed right after champ select. I hadn't played for a month or two but I got hit with 20 min queue. Which is absolute bullshit for it being one match. I knew leavebuster had gotten bad but the added salt is because the fucking FAQ says it should start as a 5 min queue and then raise up to 20 over time. I don't even play enough to constantly leave due to only playing on off days every now and then and I got LPQ after one match where my comp and the League session had a fight (No I dont blame this on LoL, but rather random chance, but I never even got to the load in screen so I don't get why it claimed I got in game and then went afk)

LordGeovanni3/12/2017, 10:57:26 PM2 votes

if things are more important than league you shouldnt mind the penalty of leaving early

AlienPrimate3/12/2017, 11:01:35 PM2 votes

I just hate that you can't even tell your friends who are inviting you to their games that you have to wait to start games. If you cancel queue to message them telling them your situation, you have to start over on the timer.

CrimsonDayz5/24/2017, 12:53:44 AM2 votes

I agree, the low priority queue is a really bad idea and it should be removed.

KingSahz10/27/2017, 4:30:29 AM2 votes

I would much rather have a 3-4 day ban than low priority. I have had low priority for 2 weeks now unable to get rid of it due to not enough time to play. A 3-4 day ban would be a lot better and effective I think.

PotatoStalker10/27/2017, 7:53:53 PM2 votes

15 minutes into a game I AFK for less then 5 minutes, come back and I've been kicked, understandable. I join back and end up winning the game, I get placed in a LPQ for 10 minutes....

Fruity Dyslexia11/1/2017, 11:27:07 AM2 votes

Lmao at all the downvotes on this side of the argument. I am so against this aids thought police mentality of riot these days, as are many people (hence the constantly declining player base). I was in a premade 5 man group of friends, it took forever to load into a NORMAL, CASUAL game and i was having constant connection issues. I said sorry guys i don't know if I can play this one can we just remake. So i restarted my router, they early surrendered and we went to play again. None of my friends reported me because they knew the situation, it took a vote from the enemy fucking team to put me in a low priority queue that of which i have now been in for WEEKS, because it is literally impossible to find any game. I've had to clear my schedule for full days to attempt to wait sometimes for up to a fucking hour to find a god damn game. This doesn't punish toxic people, this punishes normal everyday people with everyday issues and is so god damn easy to abuse. Tl;Dr, Fix your fucking game Riot and fuck everyone who has the ideology of "huhu dont like it dont play XDDDDD"

capengu11/18/2017, 10:51:14 PM2 votes

Ya know, even though I don't leave games I completely agree with this. League is just a game :/

StrategicTaco1/24/2018, 7:50:09 PM2 votes

I agree with some points. I just got placed in a low priority que for the error: " Unable to connect to game, check your internet connection". My connection is fine !! I was on Discord with my team and during the loading screen after champ selection the game never loaded and I got that error. This is BS !! now I can no longer play with them due to this Low priority que !! I have not had any previous issues with LoL or my internet. I tried reloading the client and it didn't fix anything. Even did the full repair option and nothing. After the game I had leaver status and qued up again... This time I played the entire game just fine. Same for the next 3 games. Now today same thing happened on my 3rd game without any warning . Boom Low priority que with 20 min wait times before matchmaking. This is extremely frustrating and completely unfair !!!

Drugoth9/5/2017, 4:52:04 PM1 votes

Always nice to enter a thread where >60% of the comments are the OP replying to himself...

Sordani3/12/2017, 9:34:02 AM1 votes

These boards are just like the fanboy reddit threads. down-vote anything you disagree with, ignore the points made and tell them to leave, when that fails, make character attacks, when that fails, revert back to step one, rinse, repeat, until the person who dared speak up gives up or goes away. Sooner or later, Riot will find out that arbitrarily punishing people only leads to less people playing their game. Deny that all you want, it won't change the reality. In any case, it's clear people are more interested in excluding people from the game than fixing the legitimate issues that exist.

Sordani3/12/2017, 9:02:28 AM1 votes

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MBYOB5/12/2018, 2:31:06 AM1 votes

Yeah, I have to wait ten minutes more to play now, just for leaving two games and it was because my parents forced me to quit. This penalty system is complete bullshit. But I love the game too much so I still play it.

ModPeriscope8/21/2018, 3:20:58 AM1 votes

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MXXXXXL3/14/2017, 4:36:03 PM1 votes

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  1. You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game(see also point 5,6).

What do you mean "lives"? It's your responsibility to make sure you have the time to play a game of league.

  1. You Incentivize a mentality in game that detracts from the fun aspects of the game(by enforcing an arbitrary penalty on people, you create a mentality forcing those people to remain in game, despite having things vastly more important than a match of league (See 3,5,6)).

Again, wouldn't be an issue if you made sure you had to time to play league.

  1. You apply this penalty during blind pick games, a location I think we can all agree is the casual section of play.

It still sucks to have a leaver in blind pick.

  1. You force people to wait half of the time it would take to play an average match(20 fucking minutes), and there are thousands of people who don't have 1.5 Hours for a single game.

You only wait 20 minutes if you keep leaving games over and over again in a short period of time, in the nearly 2 years i've been playing League, i have never gotten a 20 minute leaver buster from leaving.

  1. This has prevented me personally from being able to play, as a working professional, I do not have the ability to always sit down and play for 60-90 minutes, and I have a job that I am on call for 24/7, I know I'm not alone here(And no, saying 'then don't play' isn't a valid counterpoint).

I don't have enough context to understand your situation, i'm not sure if you could, again, just schedule the time of your day to play league of legends, or if you really are in the situation where EVERY 30-90 minute period of your day is taken up by your job.

  1. This type of penalty also is incurred when your game crashes, or will not connect to your servers. Browse the support forums, and tell me that BSODs caused by your game are our problem, when you now penalize leavers, regardless of reason.

That's part of the goal of the new client, so it helps with crashing in load screen.

ModPrandine3/14/2017, 5:00:20 PM1 votes

From the Leaverbuster FAQ:

HOW LONG WILL I REMAIN IN THE LOW PRIORITY QUEUE? You will be placed in the low priority queue for 5 games. If you continuously leave, the low priority queue timers increase from 5 minutes per game to 20 minutes per game.

I CRASHED AND GOT A LEAVE/MMR LOSS. CAN I GET THOSE REMOVED FROM MY ACCOUNT? Our system does not allow the removal of leaves or the modification of MMR. It was designed in this manner in order to prevent corruption.

I'M A PAYING USER. SHOULDN'T I GET A BIT OF LENIENCY ON THIS? No. Every Summoner contributes to their team's victory or defeat on the Fields of Justice. Those who repeatedly leave games or idle during gameplay hurt their team and the overall experience of all Summoners on the field. In order to discourage this behavior, we must take action against those who make it a habit.

IT'S NOT MY FAULT. MY INTERNET/YOUR SERVERS DISCONNECTED ME. I HAD A REAL-LIFE EMERGENCY. I HAD TO GET OFF THE COMPUTER. THE GAME CRASHED. UNBAN ME! We understand that players may be forced to leave from time to time so the system has been designed to keep these situations in mind. After leaving a few games, you will be placed into a low priority queue; as long as you can complete 5 matchmade games without leaving, you will be returned to the normal queue. However, if you continue to leave games, you will remain in the low priority queue.

If you know that you can't commit the time to play a full match then either play in Customs (the best place to test out connection statuses by the way) or just don't play at all whatsoever. If you know that you're having connection problems then it's on you to fix those. If you don't or won't then that's on you not Riot.

Sordani3/13/2018, 2:59:25 AM1 votes

Thank you to those who actually made the effort to respond in kind with my original post. i think the evidence is pretty clear just from the comments up to now, there is an issue to be resolved with LB, and the LP Que is harming normal players. I don't feel the need to tear off any scabs here, but I will remind you all: I told you the game would shrink, and it has. Maybe NOW we can have the honest discussion that so many of you refused?

Astrovert3/12/2017, 9:34:20 PM1 votes

If you have "bad internet" you will find no sympathy here.

Your ability to play is not worth it to the community so they can get a guaranteed loss.

You threaten to go play "Dota" but the last time I did I had to download a ban manager program to not play with leavers because it was infested with horrible connection people like yourself.

Your not making anyone sorry by leaving.

Martensitic3/12/2017, 4:33:18 PM1 votes

You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game

And why should 9 other people have a bad game because you play via carrier pidgeons, or cannot be bothered to plan ahead for the next 45 minutes?

AlphaRose9/5/2017, 9:02:27 AM1 votes

Its true but there is alot of people sitting in lobbies grinding IP and getting removed.Thats a good thing.