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Why 'Low Priority' Queue is a horrible idea.

Sordani··16 votes·12,457 views
  1. You block people from chatting with friends while in this queue, or performing any action in the client.
  2. You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game(see also point 5,6).
  3. You Incentivize a mentality in game that detracts from the fun aspects of the game(by enforcing an arbitrary penalty on people, you create a mentality forcing those people to remain in game, despite having things vastly more important than a match of league (See 3,5,6)).
  4. You apply this penalty during blind pick games, a location I think we can all agree is the casual section of play.
  5. You force people to wait half of the time it would take to play an average match(20 fucking minutes), and there are thousands of people who don't have 1.5 Hours for a single game.
  6. This has prevented me personally from being able to play, as a working professional, I do not have the ability to always sit down and play for 60-90 minutes, and I have a job that I am on call for 24/7, I know I'm not alone here(And no, saying 'then don't play' isn't a valid counterpoint).
  7. This type of penalty also is incurred when your game crashes, or will not connect to your servers. Browse the support forums, and tell me that BSODs caused by your game are our problem, when you now penalize leavers, regardless of reason. P.S.: WE all know this doesn't work. Trolls will alt-tab and wait, legitimate players will leave and play DOTA2 or other MOBAs, rather than wait 20 minutes to play your game. You aren't going to 'cure' leavers until your game doesn't cause crashes on computers and America's many realms of shitty broadband go away(And I wouldn't hold my breath for that).

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Deep Terror Nami17 votes

You block people from chatting with friends while in this queue, or performing any action in the client.

Sure, that's an issue that should (and likely will) be fixed at some point.

You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game

Your problems shouldn't be a problem for the other players in the game. If you have a "life outside the video game" then go live it instead of queuing up for a match you can't commit to. Dealing with a 4v5 is a really horrible experience, regardless of the reason/excuse for the absence.

You Incentivize a mentality in game that detracts from the fun aspects of the game

Your fun does not take priority over the fun of everyone else.

You apply this penalty during blind pick games, a location I think we can all agree is the casual section of play

Don't think too hard if you're coming up with that kind of conclusion; people don't want to 4v5 in there either.

You force people to wait half of the time it would take to play an average match

Yeah, and let's say you left a 20 minute match which caused your penalty. That is a whopping 3 hours of total time (not including queue and champ select) you affected other players. And no, just because the other team won due to your absence doesn't make it fun for them. This isn't about you, this is about how your absence is affecting other people.

This has prevented me personally from being able to play, as a working professional, I do not have the ability to always sit down and play for 60-90 minutes, and I have a job that I am on call for 24/7, I know I'm not alone here(And no, saying 'then don't play' isn't a valid counterpoint).

Yes, saying "don't play" is a valid counterpoint, whether you want it to be or not. The entire premise of your argument is that it's a problem for you, with no consideration to the other players. There are plenty of things you can do that won't impact other people if you are unable to commit a certain amount of time or may leave without notice.

This type of penalty also is incurred when your game crashes, or will not connect to your servers.

There are Riot Support staff dedicated to assisting you with these kinds of issues, which are on your end 99% of the time, not Riot's. If you have recurring connection or client issues, please post over on the Help & Support board and they will assist you.

You don't want to or can't commit to a full match, or are having stability/connection issues frequently? That's something for you to deal with, not for everyone else to suffer through because you don't care. That is what the penalty is for; to get you to fix your problems or mitigate the damage you can cause if you refuse/fail to.

Sordani4 votes

"Your problems shouldn't be a problem for the other players in the game. If you have a "life outside the video game" then go live it instead of queuing up for a match you can't commit to. Dealing with a 4v5 is a really horrible experience, regardless of the reason/excuse for the absence." so.. don't play. kk, ignoring this response.

Sordani2 votes

"Sure, that's an issue that should (and likely will) be fixed at some point." Why, then, if its a valid issue, has this not been fixed in the months, nearly years at this point, that LP queue has existed? Since they'd have to explicitly code in a block on mouse and keyboard input for the client to do this, This seems like adding insult to injury. 'you dc a couple times after our game crashes your computer? here, sit in a queue that does nothing for 20 minutes, and don't bother trying to browse the store or chat with your friends, you can't do that either. Why can't you do that or anything else? Reasons." Either:

  1. They don't care(wouldn't surprise me a bit). or: 2: Its such a low priority that in all of this time, they haven't gotten to it.

Frankly, neither of these options says much about the effort Riot puts into it's player experience.

FlamePhionex1 votes

Having the lpq imposed on unranked games is just unreasonable , these games are the casual environment and thus even a 4v5 is not likely to effect anyone if they can just leave without penalty , additionally , a team should be able to force surrender if a player leaves at any given time . Moreover the leaver shouldn't be penalized with a lpq ,(who's purpose is to reduce the amount of toxic/rage inducing /troll players in LoL)as as unjustly penalized players come out of the LPQ even more toxic and susceptible to rage when they've had to wait 20 fucking minutes to get a game Instead there are other alternatives that are likely to discourage leaving For eg ;- Blocking down progression on missions on the next game if they leave the previous -slowing down mastery progress -negative / diminishing experience gains -or just an indication that the player is a leaver through some sort of in game UI animation Im certain the LoL community has more ideas for replacemnts , as weve all spent 20 mins thinking about it

Lastly , if the tumor that is LPQ is to stay in this game, then at least , Riot must rename it to something more that more accurately describes its nature ,instead of giving me the false hope that i have a "lower chance " of finding a game within the 20 min period Whiel in reality while in the LPQ you are in no queue at all

Ninox7 votes

literally your only response to my criticism is 'don't play'. how about this: fuck you.

Not the best way to generate discussion or garner sympathy. If you feel you have valid feedback about something, being an asshole will see your feedback dismissed rather than considered. Whether your opinions differ or not, I think you can appreciate that Deep Terror Nami took the time to give you an extensive explanation of why things are the way they are.

no rebuttal, so you discount the point. kk.

How about this then, not everyone is ranked or nothing, or normals is for casuals only. For the longest time I ONLY played normals, and while I was perfectly happy with the casual part, there is a difference between being casual and picking a dumb support like Liss and screwing over your whole team because you couldn't fulfill a commitment.

Nobody likes a leaver, even in ARAMs which are about as casual as it gets. About the only place people don't care much is in bots, but even there it's a bad experience for any new players involved.

Why should you be allowed to negatively impact 9 other players (from the sounds of it in a lot games you play) while you get off scott free for that?

If you joined a [insert sport here] team and either failed to show up, were late to or had to leave early from most of your practice games in the season, there's no way they'd let you play competitively, and depending on how serious the team was they may kick you out entirely.

tl;dr When it comes to ruining experiences, normals matter just as much as ranked.

the irreparable issues with internet and rito's broken dx11 implementation, its your fault because we got inconvenienced; our digital game was ruined, and to hell with things that matter.. like, say..: work, life, family?

I live in goddamn Australia, I still struggle along with unreliable ADSL2+ internet, and yet I've never been Leaver Bustered. If your internet is bad enough that you are influencing large numbers of players then you either don't play or accept that you are going to be damn near permanently Leaver Bustered. We live with the consequences of our circumstances as much as those of our actions, and we make do. You know, without fucking with other people along the way if at all possible. That's the decent thing to do anyway.

If back in the day there was a game that required higher PC specs than you had, would you blame the company that made the game for not making it low spec enough? Or would you simply accept that it is beyond your reach until something changes like upgrading your pc or such. Sometimes those changes aren't possible, but it doesn't change the reality.

Of course there are things more important than video games, but the vast majority of players seem to balance that just fine, so maybe you should look to your own problems instead of bitching about your inconvenience when you have inconvenienced countless others.

League will shrink if they keep this up

You're welcome to think that, but people have been saying that for years and it hasn't happened yet. If League dies it will be a good while away because of changes to the market (or something more unforeseen like loss of creative control etc), not because of punishing players who are hurting others.

These boards are just like the fanboy reddit threads. down-vote anything you disagree with, ignore the points made and tell them to leave, when that fails, make character attacks, when that fails, revert back to step one, rinse, repeat, until the person who dared speak up gives up or goes away.

...I think maybe you should take a look at your content. You know that saying "you need to take a good, hard look in the mirror"?

"down-vote anything you disagree with, ignore the points made and tell them to leave" " how about this: fuck you."

'you dc a couple times after our game crashes your computer? here, sit in a queue that does nothing for 20 minutes, and don't bother trying to browse the store or chat with your friends

Vast majority of people I talk to have never had a problem with the client, and those that have, are usually fixed in an hour if they bother to try. Maybe accept that it isn't the game/client that is the problem, but rather the game/client + your PC + possibly your internet.

Personally, I disagree with locking players out of client functions while in LPQ, especially those that are queued with the LPQ rather than on it themselves, but ultimately, it is the consequence of your action. Take some responsibility. This is a MULTIPLAYER game, and if you cannot respect the needs and wishes of others even a little bit, then multiplayer really isn't the place for you.

tell them to 'get better interwebz'. see how that goes for ya.

Again, rural Australia here. If my internet is being dodgy, I just don't play. It's really not that hard. Pick up some single player games to play when your net is on the fritz. Really, also not that hard.

99% of the time I don't choose to leave?

Does it matter? Whether you chose to or not, you've had the same impact on those 9 other players. Riot knows that stuff comes up, and if you dc every now and again, you'll never be punished. You have to be leaving quite a few games to be punished for it, especially so if you've made it to 20 min LPQs.

your comment again gives the middle finger to millions of people, because DCs inconvenience you

In a game with millions of people, if frequent leaves were not punished in some way then they would be inconveniencing millions of people. This isn't something specifically targeted at you, rather it is targeted at ALL of those people who frequently ruin the experience of others.

Some people have lives, and maybe only get to play one game a day (funny sounds kinda like you), and the last thing they want for that game is to have it ruined by some asshat who KNOWS he is very likely to DC or have to leave and played anyway, then proceeded to leave.

adding a time penalty to time-restricted people only guarantees they won't play your game

While most games only go for 40~ mins, some can go much longer, and if you are struggling to commit an hour and a bit to a game, then you can't realistically expect to fulfill that commitment anyway, so frankly, you shouldn't be playing, because EVERY.SINGLE.GAME you leave, is a game ruined for NINE other people. One persons inconvenience (yours) does not outweigh the enjoyment of NINE others. Especially if it is happening all the time. 1 is not greater than 9, and 1 is certainly not greater than the x number of people you have screwed over.

its why fast food restaurants have policies like 'the customer is always right', because no matter who was wrong, the worst thing you can do is lose their business permanently.

Except, the worst thing they can do is allow that person to be 'right' and permanently lose the business of every other person they mess with. If it's losing one customer or 20, then from 'a business standpoint' I think we all know who is going to get banned from the store.

Without the players, what does Riot have?

Without the players who negatively affect others, they have 100% positive players who will improve the community and draw more people to the game. Nothing turns people off a game faster than having every match they play ruined in some way or the other.

This logic has been around forever. If you get rot in your grain you can't just leave it, you have to separate it out or it will contaminate ALL of your grain.

Moooose35 votes

Somebody got put in a low priority queue and is bitching. If you're gonna play an online game, you should probably get better internet lol. That's like showing up to a football game without fucking pads, you won't be able to play, deal with it. Maybe don't commit to games you can't finish and stop wasting your time bitching about it on the boards.

Sordani1 votes

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Somebody got put in a low priority queue and is bitching. If you're gonna play an online game, you should probably get better internet lol. That's like showing up to a football game without fucking pads, you won't be able to play, deal with it. Maybe don't commit to games you can't finish and stop wasting your time bitching about it on the boards.

"you should probably get better internet lol" thats the point: many people can't. there are no other choices in the market, and even when there are other choices, unless you live in a major city or in the general vicinity, you're basically fucked. Think I'm wrong? Find somebody that lives in... say.. Montana, and ask them about broadband internet. Hell, pick any rural area in America; Hell, anywhere in the world, and tell them to 'get better interwebz'. see how that goes for ya.

Bettnachleger1 votes

I don't know, but we have internet sticks so you have access to the internet from like everywhere (nice for traveling). You won't have a good ping, but the internet is stable. Isn't this a thing in America? Its like you pay 10 Euro for a gigabyte traffic. Enough for hundreds of lol games. (just interested, no offense or something)

HexaDecimel1 votes

Internet is fine, people just like to complain and shift blame. Although the people in Hawaii or Alaska probably suffer.

Astrovert1 votes

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"you should probably get better internet lol" thats the point: many people can't. there are no other choices in the market, and even when there are other choices, unless you live in a major city or in the general vicinity, you're basically fucked. Think I'm wrong? Find somebody that lives in... say.. Montana, and ask them about broadband internet. Hell, pick any rural area in America; Hell, anywhere in the world, and tell them to 'get better interwebz'. see how that goes for ya.

First off its called "wireless broadband" and its done with microwave not satellite.

Yes it is very possible to get broadband internet through wireless nowadays and even in the sticks, its very similar to 4G.

Granted it does not cover the entire country but it does now cover vast swaths of America that could not get wired cable before by simply operating on line of sight.

Finally it is not the responsibility of LoL or the community to make it so you can play, in fact I am pretty sure the internet connection was in the prerequirements, you not having one is no ones fault but your own, and not having one could be in direct violation of the rules you signed.

HexaDecimel1 votes

I get 50 Ping in Alberta, which is further north or Montana. The internet is fine. If you are consistently experiencing problems with league it's more then likely on your end or with the provider you are using.

deathgod53 votes

I never got low priority queue. I left games before because of important occasions or things I forgot. You need to consistently leave games to get low priority queue. I also got bad internet for quite a while now, I disconnect once or twice during some matches, I still don't get low priority queue. I also have a life, I do not start a game if other life related stuff comes up.

The only thing I agree on is that getting low priority queue because of a crash is pretty shit.

MXXXXXL1 votes

Which the new client is trying to help fix.

dudesdfu3 votes

Agree with the OP... Regardless of it solving "issues" with 4v5s. DC, Crash, Client Issues that have been documented from the beginning of this game. How does 20 min EXTRA que time justify as a penalty. It makes this game unplayable for most found in this situation. It is a HUGE turn off. There is a reason this game has lost so many players and continuing to do so. You may not see it but as eSports and the gaming market in general continues to expand and grow. League is only going to keep shrinking. I don't care about the opinions of those who are still blind in seeing that this game has SO many flaws and how this punishment system just kills any player's chance at returning to this game. Why League will eventually fall -Age. Why League is reducing total player count -This shitty system. Although it may be completely irrelevant to this entire post but how do people even find MOBA or the MOBA genre fun? For me it used to be "every game is different" but I am certain that after playing for years... This game is the same thing over and over. Just in a different package. People stop being sheep.

Sordani1 votes

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Agree with the OP... Regardless of it solving "issues" with 4v5s. DC, Crash, Client Issues that have been documented from the beginning of this game. How does 20 min EXTRA que time justify as a penalty. It makes this game unplayable for most found in this situation. It is a HUGE turn off. There is a reason this game has lost so many players and continuing to do so. You may not see it but as eSports and the gaming market in general continues to expand and grow. League is only going to keep shrinking. I don't care about the opinions of those who are still blind in seeing that this game has SO many flaws and how this punishment system just kills any player's chance at returning to this game. Why League will eventually fall -Age. Why League is reducing total player count -This shitty system. Although it may be completely irrelevant to this entire post but how do people even find MOBA or the MOBA genre fun? For me it used to be "every game is different" but I am certain that after playing for years... This game is the same thing over and over. Just in a different package. People stop being sheep.

Lols, I enjoy league because it puts a higher value on mechanical skill and coordination, in ways no other game has come close to. That's my own personal experience. and it's great to see that some here are willing to be objective and have the discussion i had intended originally. thanks for your opinion bud.

Sletzer3 votes

Here is where you find out who takes video games way to serious and who really enjoys them for fun. This has to be the worst system i have ever seen on any game i have ever played. 30 minutes matches? and you end up waiting nearly 10 to even start a match at best..lol so now you make people wait even longer to play ..fun game too bad it has a major flaw here

bobyjhon1323 votes

I really don't understand why this is sitting at -24 tho. It's one of the most relatable posts on the boards I've ever seen. Why not make leaver buster 5 minutes? I know it used to be 5, then 10, then 20, now it's only 20

LordGeovanni2 votes

if things are more important than league you shouldnt mind the penalty of leaving early

AlienPrimate2 votes

I just hate that you can't even tell your friends who are inviting you to their games that you have to wait to start games. If you cancel queue to message them telling them your situation, you have to start over on the timer.

CrimsonDayz2 votes

I agree, the low priority queue is a really bad idea and it should be removed.

Nanami Rai2 votes

Really though. I didn't even have the ability to load into a game last month because my client crashed right after champ select. I hadn't played for a month or two but I got hit with 20 min queue. Which is absolute bullshit for it being one match. I knew leavebuster had gotten bad but the added salt is because the fucking FAQ says it should start as a 5 min queue and then raise up to 20 over time. I don't even play enough to constantly leave due to only playing on off days every now and then and I got LPQ after one match where my comp and the League session had a fight (No I dont blame this on LoL, but rather random chance, but I never even got to the load in screen so I don't get why it claimed I got in game and then went afk)

KingSahz2 votes

I would much rather have a 3-4 day ban than low priority. I have had low priority for 2 weeks now unable to get rid of it due to not enough time to play. A 3-4 day ban would be a lot better and effective I think.

PotatoStalker2 votes

15 minutes into a game I AFK for less then 5 minutes, come back and I've been kicked, understandable. I join back and end up winning the game, I get placed in a LPQ for 10 minutes....

Fruity Dyslexia2 votes

Lmao at all the downvotes on this side of the argument. I am so against this aids thought police mentality of riot these days, as are many people (hence the constantly declining player base). I was in a premade 5 man group of friends, it took forever to load into a NORMAL, CASUAL game and i was having constant connection issues. I said sorry guys i don't know if I can play this one can we just remake. So i restarted my router, they early surrendered and we went to play again. None of my friends reported me because they knew the situation, it took a vote from the enemy fucking team to put me in a low priority queue that of which i have now been in for WEEKS, because it is literally impossible to find any game. I've had to clear my schedule for full days to attempt to wait sometimes for up to a fucking hour to find a god damn game. This doesn't punish toxic people, this punishes normal everyday people with everyday issues and is so god damn easy to abuse. Tl;Dr, Fix your fucking game Riot and fuck everyone who has the ideology of "huhu dont like it dont play XDDDDD"

capengu2 votes

Ya know, even though I don't leave games I completely agree with this. League is just a game :/

StrategicTaco2 votes

I agree with some points. I just got placed in a low priority que for the error: " Unable to connect to game, check your internet connection". My connection is fine !! I was on Discord with my team and during the loading screen after champ selection the game never loaded and I got that error. This is BS !! now I can no longer play with them due to this Low priority que !! I have not had any previous issues with LoL or my internet. I tried reloading the client and it didn't fix anything. Even did the full repair option and nothing. After the game I had leaver status and qued up again... This time I played the entire game just fine. Same for the next 3 games. Now today same thing happened on my 3rd game without any warning . Boom Low priority que with 20 min wait times before matchmaking. This is extremely frustrating and completely unfair !!!

Sordani1 votes

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Kitty Cat Tosha4 votes

That is pretty much reality for you. If you don't meet a games requirements, dont play it. One of its requirements is that you are able to fulfill the commitment you make when you enter a lobby - just as a decent internet connection is.

If you are playing an MMORPG and you want to raid, but you are often unable to make the raid times, a guild will kick you out too to replace you for someone who can. League doesnt have guilds like MMOs do, but the same basic rules apply - hence leaverbuster.

So either find something else, play custom games (where no rules apply), or accept that there are consequences and meet them. We can sugercoat it for you all you like, but these are basically your options here.

Sordani2 votes

Indeed, your only rebuttal is don't play. great. you act like people are choosing to not fix their issues. tell me, do you have a magical solution tot he estimated 30% of Americans that don't have stable broadband internet? no? then why punish them? Riot created a crime, then made a puinishment for it. classic snake oil salesman-style: here's a cure for a disease i made up. sooner or later, people will go elsewhere, and though you cavalierly act like thats fine, you'll quickly find out what happens when you irritate your player-base: you no longer have a player-base.

Kitty Cat Tosha2 votes

Its either punish the 30% people with bad internet, or punish the 70% who has them in their team. From a business point of view, what would you do?

And I do know very little about american politics, but basically where I come from, companies get money from the government if they put fiberglass internet in low populated areas. If you are upset because of the 30% unstable internet thingy, maybe start looking there instead of at Riot.

Sordani1 votes

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Its either punish the 30% people with bad internet, or punish the 70% who has them in their team. From a business point of view, what would you do?

And I do know very little about american politics, but basically where I come from, companies get money from the government if they put fiberglass internet in low populated areas. If you are upset because of the 30% unstable internet thingy, maybe start looking there instead of at Riot.

See, you seem to believe that things were so much worse before. I still see DCs nearly every time I play(when I can manage it), what about you? What have these restrictions actually done? Has there been a reduction in Disconnections since they implemented it?(saying "I'm sure there has been a reduction" doesn't make it true) as far as I've seen, in my (undoubtedly subjective)experience, there hasn't been any difference. from a business point of view, i Would do my best to satisfy both sides of the issue(for example allowing exemption or reduction in penalty for clearly system or server-related issues(e.g.: post your logs, get a reduction in penalty if your issue was caused by the servers or game, this would kill two birds with one stone, increasing the number and quality of bug reports AND satisfying many of the complaints listed here.)), while not de facto excluding any group from accessing my products(as the community is doing here). From a business perspective, alienating any part of your market is a bad idea. Any group, no matter how small, can easily expand its numbers and begin to influence your sales and or profits(especially in cases where the group of users had no fault in the cause of their exclusion), or worse, go to your competitor and buy their products. this logic is universal, its why fast food restaurants have policies like 'the customer is always right', because no matter who was wrong, the worst thing you can do is lose their business permanently. Our government is Conservative, rather extremely so. I'm politically active as well, but thats a different subject for a different conversation. Our government(while I personally would love to see an internet expansion subsidy, or some such) will not agree to that in its current state. I'm upset because the issues are not being addressed, the (this number is estimated, by the way)30% of people that don't have decent access to internet is just a single example of a problem with league of legends that remains unaddressed despite months(in some cases, years) of debate and conversation: what the player-base wants comes second to what riot wants. You might think thats fine, but consider this: Without the players, what does Riot have? They have some software they built with nobody playing it and no income.

EvilDustMan5 votes

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literally your only response to my criticism is 'don't play'. how about this: fuck you.

No. He's right. Why should other players suffer because you aren't able to play a full game but try anyways? If you can't dedicate the time to playing the game, ad a working professional, then you need to stop playing.

It sucks, but yes. That is the way it goes. Find a game that doesn't take as long between matches. I suggest OW.

Sordani2 votes

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No. He's right. Why should other players suffer because you aren't able to play a full game but try anyways? If you can't dedicate the time to playing the game, ad a working professional, then you need to stop playing.

It sucks, but yes. That is the way it goes. Find a game that doesn't take as long between matches. I suggest OW.

" Why should other players suffer because you aren't able to play a full game but try anyways?" lets see, because 99% of the time I don't choose to leave? You again imply the same thing he does, that I'm choosing to not fix the problem. telling people to essentially fuck off will never satisfy me, nor any of the other dozen people that have posted similar discussions. sorry, but Overwatch is nothing like league. If there was a game like league I'd already be there. see, your comment again gives the middle finger to millions of people, because DCs inconvenience you. See, I failed to make the argument clear enough. 45 minutes is one thing, 1 hour 5 minutes, another. the LP queue makes it essentially impossible for people like myself to play, even if we could, by increasing the amount of time it takes to play one match and also to get rid of punishments we were given arbitrarily. it becomes an order of magnitude worse when they add such times to it. hell, to be honest, id rather eat a 1 day temp ban than have to sit through 20 minutes of being unable to do anything, just to play out a single game. in my personal situation, it would take me 3-4 days to grind past these silly punishments, I simply don't play league right now because i don't have an extra hour of time(for a 5 game restriction, add 20 minutes each for higher #s of games) to sit around and do nothing, whereas i could easily manage a game or two per day without such restrictions. my point about this was that adding a time penalty to time-restricted people only guarantees they won't play your game, which is a decidedly negative thing.

EvilDustMan2 votes

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" Why should other players suffer because you aren't able to play a full game but try anyways?" lets see, because 99% of the time I don't choose to leave? You again imply the same thing he does, that I'm choosing to not fix the problem. telling people to essentially fuck off will never satisfy me, nor any of the other dozen people that have posted similar discussions. sorry, but Overwatch is nothing like league. If there was a game like league I'd already be there. see, your comment again gives the middle finger to millions of people, because DCs inconvenience you. See, I failed to make the argument clear enough. 45 minutes is one thing, 1 hour 5 minutes, another. the LP queue makes it essentially impossible for people like myself to play, even if we could, by increasing the amount of time it takes to play one match and also to get rid of punishments we were given arbitrarily. it becomes an order of magnitude worse when they add such times to it. hell, to be honest, id rather eat a 1 day temp ban than have to sit through 20 minutes of being unable to do anything, just to play out a single game. in my personal situation, it would take me 3-4 days to grind past these silly punishments, I simply don't play league right now because i don't have an extra hour of time(for a 5 game restriction, add 20 minutes each for higher #s of games) to sit around and do nothing, whereas i could easily manage a game or two per day without such restrictions. my point about this was that adding a time penalty to time-restricted people only guarantees they won't play your game, which is a decidedly negative thing.

I didn't say you are choosing not to fix the problem. I'm saying that if these things are so consistent, then League is not the game for you.

You got to 20 min for a history of leaving or having to leave games. Look. If you have to leave in the middle of a game a couple times a week because your house is on fire, I'd tell you to stop playing. I get it might be out of your control.

It is was why I quit for the most part. I have a family to take care of and they would keep dragging me away, no matter what time I played, no matter the circumstances.

It is not fair to the majority of the players for you to keep playing and ruin their game so you can have a little fun before you have to leave. So yes. That sucks, and Riot might lose players for it, but they ensure more consistent experience for it.

Gr33nTNT2 votes

You cant assume every1 dealing with this is constantly leaving...I dc'd once (client crash and couldn't reconnect) and i got 20 min penalty. Its kinda random imo

Sordani1 votes

These boards are just like the fanboy reddit threads. down-vote anything you disagree with, ignore the points made and tell them to leave, when that fails, make character attacks, when that fails, revert back to step one, rinse, repeat, until the person who dared speak up gives up or goes away. Sooner or later, Riot will find out that arbitrarily punishing people only leads to less people playing their game. Deny that all you want, it won't change the reality. In any case, it's clear people are more interested in excluding people from the game than fixing the legitimate issues that exist.

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

No, it's just that you cover your ears all the time when someone disagrees with your point. As others said, no one wants to play with a player who constantly DCs while knowing the fact that even the disconnecting player himself knew the risk. Believe me, even you yourself won't like it when one of your teammates DC'ed for the whole game after the 3 minute mark.

If you're still having troubles connecting properly to at least one whole game, either get yourself a better wifi, or leave League & play something offline like Left 4 Dead 2.

HexaDecimel3 votes

The game has over 100,000,000 active accounts, I think they can afford to alienate or ban players that repeatedly ruin the gaming experience.

Martensitic1 votes

You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game

And why should 9 other people have a bad game because you play via carrier pidgeons, or cannot be bothered to plan ahead for the next 45 minutes?

Astrovert1 votes

If you have "bad internet" you will find no sympathy here.

Your ability to play is not worth it to the community so they can get a guaranteed loss.

You threaten to go play "Dota" but the last time I did I had to download a ban manager program to not play with leavers because it was infested with horrible connection people like yourself.

Your not making anyone sorry by leaving.

MXXXXXL1 votes

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  1. You penalize those with bad internet, and those who have lives outside of a video game(see also point 5,6).

What do you mean "lives"? It's your responsibility to make sure you have the time to play a game of league.

  1. You Incentivize a mentality in game that detracts from the fun aspects of the game(by enforcing an arbitrary penalty on people, you create a mentality forcing those people to remain in game, despite having things vastly more important than a match of league (See 3,5,6)).

Again, wouldn't be an issue if you made sure you had to time to play league.

  1. You apply this penalty during blind pick games, a location I think we can all agree is the casual section of play.

It still sucks to have a leaver in blind pick.

  1. You force people to wait half of the time it would take to play an average match(20 fucking minutes), and there are thousands of people who don't have 1.5 Hours for a single game.

You only wait 20 minutes if you keep leaving games over and over again in a short period of time, in the nearly 2 years i've been playing League, i have never gotten a 20 minute leaver buster from leaving.

  1. This has prevented me personally from being able to play, as a working professional, I do not have the ability to always sit down and play for 60-90 minutes, and I have a job that I am on call for 24/7, I know I'm not alone here(And no, saying 'then don't play' isn't a valid counterpoint).

I don't have enough context to understand your situation, i'm not sure if you could, again, just schedule the time of your day to play league of legends, or if you really are in the situation where EVERY 30-90 minute period of your day is taken up by your job.

  1. This type of penalty also is incurred when your game crashes, or will not connect to your servers. Browse the support forums, and tell me that BSODs caused by your game are our problem, when you now penalize leavers, regardless of reason.

That's part of the goal of the new client, so it helps with crashing in load screen.

ModPrandine1 votes

From the Leaverbuster FAQ:

HOW LONG WILL I REMAIN IN THE LOW PRIORITY QUEUE? You will be placed in the low priority queue for 5 games. If you continuously leave, the low priority queue timers increase from 5 minutes per game to 20 minutes per game.

I CRASHED AND GOT A LEAVE/MMR LOSS. CAN I GET THOSE REMOVED FROM MY ACCOUNT? Our system does not allow the removal of leaves or the modification of MMR. It was designed in this manner in order to prevent corruption.

I'M A PAYING USER. SHOULDN'T I GET A BIT OF LENIENCY ON THIS? No. Every Summoner contributes to their team's victory or defeat on the Fields of Justice. Those who repeatedly leave games or idle during gameplay hurt their team and the overall experience of all Summoners on the field. In order to discourage this behavior, we must take action against those who make it a habit.

IT'S NOT MY FAULT. MY INTERNET/YOUR SERVERS DISCONNECTED ME. I HAD A REAL-LIFE EMERGENCY. I HAD TO GET OFF THE COMPUTER. THE GAME CRASHED. UNBAN ME! We understand that players may be forced to leave from time to time so the system has been designed to keep these situations in mind. After leaving a few games, you will be placed into a low priority queue; as long as you can complete 5 matchmade games without leaving, you will be returned to the normal queue. However, if you continue to leave games, you will remain in the low priority queue.

If you know that you can't commit the time to play a full match then either play in Customs (the best place to test out connection statuses by the way) or just don't play at all whatsoever. If you know that you're having connection problems then it's on you to fix those. If you don't or won't then that's on you not Riot.

AlphaRose1 votes

Its true but there is alot of people sitting in lobbies grinding IP and getting removed.Thats a good thing.

Drugoth1 votes

Always nice to enter a thread where >60% of the comments are the OP replying to himself...

Sordani1 votes

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Always nice to enter a thread where >60% of the comments are the OP replying to himself...

Most of that is replies to other people and their comments, back before i grasped the reply function on here ;P Feel free to add something, if you have an opinion on the subject :D

Sordani1 votes

Thank you to those who actually made the effort to respond in kind with my original post. i think the evidence is pretty clear just from the comments up to now, there is an issue to be resolved with LB, and the LP Que is harming normal players. I don't feel the need to tear off any scabs here, but I will remind you all: I told you the game would shrink, and it has. Maybe NOW we can have the honest discussion that so many of you refused?

MBYOB1 votes

Yeah, I have to wait ten minutes more to play now, just for leaving two games and it was because my parents forced me to quit. This penalty system is complete bullshit. But I love the game too much so I still play it.

ModPeriscope1 votes

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