IS TALIYAH ACTUALLY GETTING A BUFF WHAT THE FK?

Poske·Nov 14, 2017·7 votes·709 views

Is Riot not aware that she is number 1 champion for midlaners to reach challenger

Around 80% of korean Midlane challs reached chall because of taliyah. Phylol made a video about this I believe yep here is a link for all those stubborn people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNB0hcuLqPo

Once they reach chall they start playing other champions but until chall it is taliyah

Just fire this fking balance team, tired of them. 0 CLUE

I guess its not OK for taliyah to be tier 0

She needs to be tier under zero like tristana xay twitch

9 Comments

nm1010Nov 14, 20173 votes

Plat+ this patch

https://i.gyazo.com/2bd9f385f49cf56905ac5ef2e5723ca8.png

A generalist mage should never be a point or two away from 50%, she is currently at 46%.

Edit: In fact most generalist mages are getting dumpstered this patch, expect some Syndra and Cassiopeia buffs too.

PoskeNov 14, 20171 votes

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Plat+ this patch

https://i.gyazo.com/2bd9f385f49cf56905ac5ef2e5723ca8.png

A generalist mage should never be a point or two away from 50%, she is currently at 46%.

Edit: In fact most generalist mages are getting dumpstered this patch, expect some Syndra and Cassiopeia buffs too.

Syndra has not been performing for a while. You saw her at worlds but they played Pre-nerfed syndra but she is still quite viable

Cassiopeia has been overated for months. Idk what else to say. If you want consistent adc play ADC or corki

Taliyah however is at 49% winrate in dia + and has bunch of challenger players

nm1010Nov 14, 20172 votes

Ok my friend lets talk Diamond statistics

Syndra has not been performing for a while. You saw her at worlds but they played Pre-nerfed syndra but she is still quite viable

Edit: Also no it wasn't pre nerf Syndra at worlds, what are you talking about? She was nerfed in 7.16...

https://i.gyazo.com/95be5673de2a69bf87ce78caa257918d.png

Huge winrate drop with the new runes, massive play rate drop. Averaging a 46% winrate since the patch with a drop in winrate is not exactly what I would call viable. This is also inflated by the ~49% winrate with Aery that will drop with the coming nerf.

Cassiopeia has been overated for months. Idk what else to say. If you want consistent adc play ADC or corki

https://i.gyazo.com/dfe36eba327f1ac1e8960e1aa94a3dec.png

Cassi also lost a good chunk of winrate (~2.5%) without the playrate drop. Before people started taking Aery she was down to a 45% winrate instead of her current 47.5%, so after Aery nerfs I would expect her to decline as well.

Taliyah however is at 49% winrate in dia + and has bunch of challenger players

https://i.gyazo.com/dd49a4b81ff556c10df57154d2f53c0f.png

Taliyah is at a 48% winrate on lolalytics Dia+ with a drop in playrate her winrate went up (along with people starting to take Aery). Maybe she wasn't the one who needed buffs the most, but it isn't like this is game changing. She gets her e up 5 seconds faster, which sounds massive, but she is still gated by her w cool down to use this change aggressively.

So what does she actually gain from this change, Some extra wave clear?

PoskeNov 14, 20171 votes

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Ok my friend lets talk Diamond statistics

Not your friend

Edit: Also no it wasn't pre nerf Syndra at worlds, what are you talking about? She was nerfed in 7.16...

Syndra has been consistently nerfed to the point of not being viable. She is a lane bully which is easy to gank. And Lane bully is an overstatment. Her Q does no damage till level 9. Her W is no longer so wide

https://i.gyazo.com/95be5673de2a69bf87ce78caa257918d.png

Huge winrate drop with the new runes, massive play rate drop. Averaging a 46% winrate since the patch with a drop in winrate is not exactly what I would call viable. This is also inflated by the ~49% winrate with Aery that will drop with the coming nerf.

Her winrate mostly dropped BECAUSE of jungle changes above everything. There are more ganks now basicly

https://i.gyazo.com/dfe36eba327f1ac1e8960e1aa94a3dec.png

Cassi also lost a good chunk of winrate (~2.5%) without the playrate drop. Before people started taking Aery she was down to a 45% winrate instead of her current 47.5%, so after Aery nerfs I would expect her to decline as well.

Idc about cassio. If you want Dps mage you take taliyah / azir / ryze all outclass her

https://i.gyazo.com/dd49a4b81ff556c10df57154d2f53c0f.png

Taliyah is at a 48% winrate on lolalytics Dia+ with a drop in playrate her winrate went up (along with people starting to take Aery). Maybe she wasn't the one who needed buffs the most, but it isn't like this is game changing. She gets her e up 5 seconds faster, which sounds massive, but she is still gated by her w cool down to use this change aggressively.

So what does she actually gain from this change, Some extra wave clear?

Out of 3 above mentioned champs taliyah is the only one which I consider good enough for my tier not "holding back my team pick".

Why exactly would she need buffs? Over champion LIKE ZIGGS who wasnt viable in mid since season 4. Over champion like Brand who wasnt viable in mid since preaseason of deathfire touch / he got gutted right after his release also

Hurr Durr Incoming they are at 50% WINRATE THEy ARE VIABLE blablabla.

You dont understand game at my level. Lolalytics rates champions quite accuratly according to tiers. Anything below Diamond tier is int pick at my elo

Except For taliyah/kassadin. I guess there isnt enough data on those. Taliyah is also quite new

Those champions were challenger tier moment ago. I also dont know why katarina is so high and why lux is so low other then that this is accurate

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/grid/

Velkoz is also more of towards plat side. Outclassed by Veigar/good syndra

Taliyah is more then viable receiving buffs Syndra is niche pick no buffs Cass is bad pick no buffs (Annoying with miasma however) Ziggs is garbage pick no buffs Brand is garbage pick no buffs

But precious taliyah lost her Challenger tier status for 2 days better buff her

Just fk this balance team

Meanwhile volibear and garen are siege minion status

nm1010Nov 14, 20171 votes

Are you the same EUME guy that was arguing with me about Kassadin, or are you all just this overly dramatic about small changes?

Syndra has been consistently nerfed to the point of not being viable. She is a lane bully which is easy to gank. And Lane bully is an overstatment. Her Q does no damage till level 9. Her W is no longer so wide

Why are you even saying this, it has absolutely no point. You called her current state "viable" at a 46% in Diamond and turn 180 degrees in this response xD

Her winrate mostly dropped BECAUSE of jungle changes above everything. There are more ganks now basicly

What change exactly promoted more jungle ganks? The part where they nerfed catch up experience so ganking unsuccessfully too much is more punishing? Statements without facts will not be accepted here friend.

Idc about cassio. If you want Dps mage you take taliyah / azir / ryze all outclass her

I feel like you really don't understand Cassio if you just group those 3 as equivalents.

Out of 3 above mentioned champs taliyah is the only one which I consider good enough for my tier not "holding back my team pick".

That mindset is probably why you have 1500 games played with next to no improvement as a player. The players are the ones making the decisions that ultimately win or lose the game, champions themselves are the tools.

Why exactly would she need buffs? Over champion LIKE ZIGGS who wasnt viable in mid since season 4.

As someone who just played a good amount of Ziggs I am pretty sure the W changes to him made him fairly strong. Still need to try out the new runes, but I've been binging Diablo 3 and the PBE too much.

Over champion like Brand who wasnt viable in mid since preaseason of deathfire touch / he got gutted right after his release also

Brand mid saw a pretty big win rate increase with the new runes in diamond+. Other than that I don't see any Brand mid mains, so it honestly seems like a lack of people playing the champion. Wait until Aery gets nerfed and we can talk more about his current state.

Hurr Durr Incoming they are at 50% WINRATE THEy ARE VIABLE blablabla.

I like how you were the one calling a 46% winrate Syndra viable, yet you try to hurr durr me preemptively xD

You dont understand game at my level. Lolalytics rates champions quite accuratly according to tiers. Anything below Diamond tier is int pick at my elo

Calm yourself boy, you're in EUME lets not get our head too far into the clouds xD Assuming you are the Kassadin guy I was right about Kass then and as I pointed out before I have a pretty solid history on these boards of being right.

Those champions were challenger tier moment ago. I also dont know why katarina is so high and why lux is so low other then that this is accurate

The rest of it is pretty irrelevant, you have a warped sense of your level of understanding the game. Just take deep breaths and stop stressing yourself out over things you don't fully understand until season 8 starts at least.

PoskeNov 14, 20171 votes

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Are you the same EUME guy that was arguing with me about Kassadin, or are you all just this overly dramatic about small changes?

Idk who are you

Why are you even saying this, it has absolutely no point. You called her current state "viable" at a 46% in Diamond and turn 180 degrees in this response xD

Viable as in niche pick. Not something you ever want to first pick. Her decent skillcap makes her atleast a niche pick though mostly outclassed by veigar atm. It used to be opposite

What change exactly promoted more jungle ganks? The part where they nerfed catch up experience so ganking unsuccessfully too much is more punishing? Statements without facts will not be accepted here friend.

Less tanks due to less catchup experiance which leads to more ganks because tanks couldnt gank aswell apart from J4 which she can deny with her E anyway

I feel like you really don't understand Cassio if you just group those 3 as equivalents.

Cassiopeia is supposed to be AP hypercarry. Ad hyperrcarry does 2.5 times more

That mindset is probably why you have 1500 games played with next to no improvement as a player. The players are the ones making the decisions that ultimately win or lose the game, champions themselves are the tools.

I peeked challenger 450 lp last season. Had #1 world LB status while I was top 20 with bunch of different midlane champs. "NO improvement xd". Yes I stoped carring once I reached challenger and dropped form it in like a week

As someone who just played a good amount of Ziggs I am pretty sure the W changes to him made him fairly strong. Still need to try out the new runes, but I've been binging Diablo 3 and the PBE too much.

Ziggs is garbage troll pick. He was viable botlane as support carry (When i say support I mean he could get tower down insanely fast after botlane clown 10 man fiesta).

He wasnt viable in mid since season 4 the Q width changes

Brand mid saw a pretty big win rate increase with the new runes in diamond+. Other than that I don't see any Brand mid mains, so it honestly seems like a lack of people playing the champion. Wait until Aery gets nerfed and we can talk more about his current state.

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thats enough question marks. DEATHFIRE TOUCH GOT REMOVED. Brand was the best deathfire touch abuser and one of the few times he wasnt a troll pick in mid was when DFT was broken. NO KEYSTONE ll ever match that for brand. If anything Rune changes shafted him. The Q stun duration gutted him even for support role. the pointless passive explosions are just pointless

I believe velkoz outclass brand support but that might be just me

I like how you were the one calling a 46% winrate Syndra viable, yet you try to hurr durr me preemptively xD

You overestimate word viable. Maybe I underestimate it though

Calm yourself boy, you're in EUME lets not get our head too far into the clouds xD Assuming you are the Kassadin guy I was right about Kass then and as I pointed out before I have a pretty solid history on these boards of being right.

EUNE HAS MORE RANKED PLAYERS THEN NA + WE HAVE CONSTANT EUW VISITORS. While NA is lonely island of compettetive garbage

The rest of it is pretty irrelevant, you have a warped sense of your level of understanding the game. Just take deep breaths and stop stressing yourself out over things you don't fully understand until season 8 starts at least.

I understand what changes the game needs better then Riot entire squad but whatever its not like you can enter my mind

Colton147Nov 14, 20171 votes

She was gutted into non-existence when she was nerfed a few patches ago.

I'm glad that she is getting a small love tap.

I'd prefer that she receives a damage buff though.

PoskeNov 14, 20173 votes

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She was gutted into non-existence when she was nerfed a few patches ago.

I'm glad that she is getting a small love tap.

I'd prefer that she receives a damage buff though.

She needs nerf if anything