The truth about roles.

Zero Shingetsu··32 votes·2,483 views

Too often I hear people say that because I'm really good at support and nothing else, I shouldn't play anything but bot games until I've fixed that. I've heard it said to others who were forced out of their natural role as well. And that's fine! I get the angle. In a game where your role isn't guaranteed, you should be pretty good at everything just to cover all your bases.

The problem I have with the concept is that League is called a sport. Now I don't consider it a sport. I doubt I ever will. Competitive gaming can establish whatever tropes it desires. Each game is different. However, team sports universally rely on something, and if I'm not mistaken, even pro League teams work this way: EVERYONE HAS A ROLE THEY PLAY.

Basketball: Centers aren't generally good at cutting to the basket or shooting 3's. Guards aren't generally good at rebounding. If a 6'2" point guard misses a rebound because some 7-foot center stood flat-footed in front of him and grabbed it, I doubt anyone's chewing him out on the bench.

Football: Quarterbacks aren't known for their ability to go up and grab the ball away from defenders. Offensive linemen aren't expected to fill in for the fullback if he goes down. Linebackers don't pass the ball. Placekickers don't run the ball on third and short.

Hockey: Goalkeepers aren't skaters. They aren't expected to be great at dekeing and wrist shots. Most defensemen aren't even expected to be great skaters. Conversely, forwards aren't expected to be great hitters or be able to catch a slapshot out of the air. It's not their role.

Baseball: Not just anyone can pitch, and most pitchers can't field. Catchers aren't expected to be great at running down fly balls either.

I could go on, but the message should be clear: Every real life team sport relies on positions. Everyone is good at their position, and they use their mastery of their own position to contribute to the team by ensuring the next guy can focus on what HE does best. If you're having a halfback fill in for your injured quarterback, something has gone horribly wrong, and it will continue to do so until you put a passer in there.

So why is to so astounding that some level 30 League players would only be good at certain things? I got to level 30 entirely on bot games, back when they still gave summoner experience. When I started playing PVP, I had to quickly find out what it is I did well. I generally play healers or tanks in MMOs, so I figured it was support, and I was right. I'm not a carry. I don't enjoy duels, I don't like trading with bruisers, and I'm terrible at farming. In the jungle, I do a horrid job of balancing farming with ganking. I've tried to hone those skills, but it just doesn't feel right.

I thrive on helping me team do their job better. Sitting on the sidelines and giving the glory to others. Setting up good fights and keeping vision of the map in mind. As a strategist, I prefer to think ahead of my opponent, and that's easier to do when you're not having to focus on farming. I can constantly be aware of the enemy's movements and ready to react to them, and that's where I feel most comfortable.

I'm not a top. I'm not a mid. I'm not a jungler. I'm certainly not an ADC. I'm a support. That's my position. That's my role. That's what I'm good at. Some people might be pretty good at everything, but that's not everyone. I suppose the crux of my point is this: If League is going to be a game where you have to be pretty good at everything if you want to play "for real", that's fine. But if it's gonna be a team sport, well, that's not the way it goes in team sports. As long as you insist on calling it a sport, treat it like one. Otherwise, call a spade a spade.

66 Comments

Dehitay11 votes

Knowing how to play every role goes beyond solo queue. League isn't like any of the physical sports listed where everybody's positions is almost the same thing at a different location. The reason to know every position goes beyond you might end up having to play it in solo queue. Mainly, you can't truly be good at your own position unless you know how other positions work.

I used to hate being adc, but enjoyed being support. I thought I was really good at supporting. But after getting stuck with adc every now and then, it suddenly hit me, I only knew how to use the supports utilities well. I previously wasn't properly timing my actions with my adc. After playing adc enough times, I realized that I need to wait for my adc to be in certain positions before I start nailing people with CD. I have to notice when they're trying to last hit or harass.

And in reverse, an adc who has never played support is going to suck at adc. There are the ones you see doing dumb stuff and getting killed and them blaming their supports. If you try to go ham without your support, you're going to have a bad time.

Jungling is most likely the most important position to learn how to play and not just in case you get stuck jungling. Nothing tells you how to avoid enemy ganks and how to set up allied ganks like getting decent at jungling. And not to mention, you learn very hard how important warding your lane is. If an enemy keeps running to tower every time I head their direction as a jungler, sure he's going to lose some cs, but eventually I'm going to get demotivated and just stop going that direction.

TL;DR You can't play your role to the fullest potential until you understand properly how every other role in the game works from decently skilled first hand experience.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

So true. Im currently picking up lots of champs, not to take them into ranked, but to better understand the mindset of the other 9 players in the game

Confron7a7ion72 votes

This was very well put. How I mastered top lanes was through playing jungle. I'm not great at jungle but it helped me learn when to expect ganks. Its gotten to the point where I can 6th sense when the jungle is near my lane. I ward anyway but I know "Hey, I've pushed a little far for a while now. That jungle is on his way".

And playing support helped me learn ADC. The one think I see myself doing that I don't see other ADCs do is help with warding. Before first back the support can only keep river warded so long off that trinket, Or they can only keep river or the side bushes warded and if the enemy support is harassing from the bush it needs a ward. That along with knowing the limitation of my support helped me go from a shit ADC to a mediocre one.

slippykitten4 votes

Incorrect premises bring bad conclusions.

League is NOT a sport, it's a game. I'll show you the difference.

When i join the basketball team at my school, I'm playing a sport - I will have practices, play with the same team members, and likely will be trained to perform one specific role on the team.

When i play basketball with my pals in the street, im playing a game - I will not have practices for that game with my team, my team will vary every time i play, and I will be playing whatever position makes sense, or maybe no specific position at all depending on the skill of my team.

When you join a 5 man team, get together to practice, and have specific purposes to play, you are playing a sport. When you hit that solo q button to match up with strangers, you are playing a game. When you realize the difference, the game will make a lot more sense to you.

Zero Shingetsu4 votes

No, I absolutely agree with what you just said! But the issue is that League is more or less indistinguishable from "sport" to "game". The pros play the exact same game on the same client, and to be a pro, you have to climb through the ranks in the same game that solo queue normals are played on. Therefore, a lot of people in solo queue still take it as seriously as a sport.

I'm fine with the concept of having to know every role in a game, and I'm okay with being chewed out for only playing support well in a low-tier ranked solo queue. I'll take that punishment, I deserve it. But the reason people get so touchy about it is that a lot of people see it as... Okay, so to get to the NBA, you generally have to be an exceptional college athlete or a PHENOMENAL high school player. And you're playing the organized, position sport at those levels. You're not gonna have scouts coming to the court on the street looking for prospects to join the NBA, most likely.

League, however, isn't quite so distinctly divided.

Sire Hippington3 votes

a lot of people in solo queue still take it as seriously as a sport.

this is the only big problem.

Most pro players actually are/were part of online clans and such, working with premade teams and climbing up in the 5v5 que, not the soloQ. So becomeing pro does work like on other sports, you join a team and start to progress.

The diffrence is that you can also climb soloQ, and if you reach like master+, it might happen that you get spotted by proplayers and maybe get invited for some test rounds and then eventually join a team. Due to the game beeing online, tat is way more likely than someone walking randomly past a public basketball court and noticeing a talented player.

Zero Shingetsu2 votes

Yeah. There are way too many people who watch a streamer on Twitch, copy their build, and expect that they'll be the next big esports legend once they break the chains placed on them by all those "damn bronzies!". For myself and many others, ranked is the same thing it is in any game: A chance to test yourself against pretty serious players and look at a visual representation of how you stack up against the rest of the League world. But for a lot of them, it's challenger tryouts.

Partholonian2 votes

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The pros play the exact same game on the same client

No, they don't (and not just because they're usually a patch behind). Having the same teammates all the time matters. Knowing who your opponent is before the match even starts, having research on what champions they play matters. Pro matches are different from regular games (even challenger) from the very beginning of champion select.

Ranked 5s are more sport-like, but the argument that everyone should know multiple roles before they click queue doesn't apply to ranked 5s anyway.

Frost the Reaper3 votes

I understand what you are saying. You're right, this game isn't an actual sport unless your a professional player. Now while I love the fact that your a support main (There aren't enough of you out there and heaven have mercy on our souls if you decide to quit) but I do suggest spending at least a few hours a week learning a second role for now. I recommend that since you love support you start learning 3 top laners as usually the top lane is a bruiser / tank. The three I suggest spending some time to understand are Renekton Shen Sion as they are bring some sort of support for their team. Renekton brings a big bulky beast with a double dash and a stun. Shen brings a TP + Shield ultimate, and Sion brings global fear when you hear his ult go off, let alone his CC and just pure bulk. These 3 top laners might fight your play style and If you need any tips on how to play in top lane I could try to help out a bit. Overall this game is about skill levels and coordination. So understanding what each role and what 2 - 3 roles you should know is kind of important.

Zero Shingetsu3 votes

I do have some familiarity with Sion, having played him at support for a while after his rework, so maybe I'll look into taking him top for some practice. Shen's not a bad choice either. I'm actually an OKAY mid with AP Nasus, but I can't call it a second role. So if I'm gonna have one, top is probably the way to go.

Thanks for the advice!

Frost the Reaper2 votes

It's no problem. If you every need any large amount of help I'm willing to lend some aid. my ranking aside I consider myself a decent player when it comes to top lane. So long as I stop taking quinn up there and expecting that she gives me excellent games 24/7 xD

Lady Hammerlock3 votes

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I do have some familiarity with Sion, having played him at support for a while after his rework, so maybe I'll look into taking him top for some practice. Shen's not a bad choice either. I'm actually an OKAY mid with AP Nasus, but I can't call it a second role. So if I'm gonna have one, top is probably the way to go.

Thanks for the advice!

If your looking to practice other roles play simple champions here are my suggestions mid Annie she is a simple champion and sometimes can be taken as a support to topShen you could say your like another support since you have a global middle finger On R and appear to assist and protect an ally adc in general isn't the easiest of roles but a great starting adc is Ezreal just learn the bare basics of kiting and he isn't mechanically intense since you basically just shoot small bolts that hit like a truck jg I sadly don't have good knowledge of the jg but I've heard Amumu is easy to pick up support damn this role i need help I'm really bad at it so if you have advice id appreciate i can only play Morgana support well i suck at everything else

the 2 roles I'm good at mid and adc i suck at top since I'm terrible at controlling snowball champions i suck at jg because idk when to gank and when to farm i suck at support for many reasons any ways whats your main? im a Vayne main at heart but in the mid i can play a nasty TwistedFate (funny enough TwistedFate is my most successful jungler tho i still suck at it) put me in any role other then those 2 I'm bound to feed due to my shitty knowledge

blueberrypancake2 votes

Personally i'd say Sivir is the best ADC to start as because not only is she a caster but she has so much utility that even when behind she can do stuff

Zero Shingetsu4 votes

My main has fluctuated over time. For a while it was Rammus at support. SCARY when paired with Jinx. Lately it seems it's AP Nasus, though Illaoi, despite her aesthetic, is proving to have a lot of potential down in botlane for me. If I'm feeling more traditional, I go Lux or Teemo. :D

elon wątroba1 votes

I think that tristana is better adc for newbies, ez is too much skillshot reliant.

Partholonian1 votes

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I think that tristana is better adc for newbies, ez is too much skillshot reliant.

Ez is relatively safe though, with his blink and the ability to poke or CS from beyond anyone's AA range (even Cait).

He's not new in the sense of not having played at all, supports have plenty of skillshots. If he can land a Thresh Q or a Braum Q he can land an Ezreal Q (in fact I'm pretty sure Ez Q is easier to land than either of those).

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

I'm actually terrible at Thresh hooks for some reason. >_> But I can land a Braum Q, yeah. I tried Ez a couple times long ago, in customs, and he was decent fun. I may look into it. I did like Tristana too, but I tended to have some weird problem where my jumps weren't going where my mouse was. I don't think it was a bug as I never heard anything about it, so I fear it was some hardware issue on my end, and it made my team FURIOUS when I appeared to jump straight up rather than away from danger. I haven't played her since. :P

Subject 51 votes

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I understand what you are saying. You're right, this game isn't an actual sport unless your a professional player. Now while I love the fact that your a support main (There aren't enough of you out there and heaven have mercy on our souls if you decide to quit) but I do suggest spending at least a few hours a week learning a second role for now. I recommend that since you love support you start learning 3 top laners as usually the top lane is a bruiser / tank. The three I suggest spending some time to understand are Renekton Shen Sion as they are bring some sort of support for their team. Renekton brings a big bulky beast with a double dash and a stun. Shen brings a TP + Shield ultimate, and Sion brings global fear when you hear his ult go off, let alone his CC and just pure bulk. These 3 top laners might fight your play style and If you need any tips on how to play in top lane I could try to help out a bit. Overall this game is about skill levels and coordination. So understanding what each role and what 2 - 3 roles you should know is kind of important.

I would just like to point out that football is not technically a sport unless your a professional player.

BakedLotion1 votes

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I understand what you are saying. You're right, this game isn't an actual sport unless your a professional player. Now while I love the fact that your a support main (There aren't enough of you out there and heaven have mercy on our souls if you decide to quit) but I do suggest spending at least a few hours a week learning a second role for now. I recommend that since you love support you start learning 3 top laners as usually the top lane is a bruiser / tank. The three I suggest spending some time to understand are Renekton Shen Sion as they are bring some sort of support for their team. Renekton brings a big bulky beast with a double dash and a stun. Shen brings a TP + Shield ultimate, and Sion brings global fear when you hear his ult go off, let alone his CC and just pure bulk. These 3 top laners might fight your play style and If you need any tips on how to play in top lane I could try to help out a bit. Overall this game is about skill levels and coordination. So understanding what each role and what 2 - 3 roles you should know is kind of important.

I fucking hate support but I'm so fucking good at it for some reason LOL. Not even gloating or anything. I NEVER lose lane with support. I can't stand playing it though, even though I play it in atleast 40% of my games zzz. It's like im choosing it just to win.

I like to consider myself a mid main since I enjoy it the most and I win consistently with it, but I do so much better with the support role i hate so much

WhiperSnapers1 votes

Im a support main and I have to say that your suggestion for top lane is so true. I almost always play support but when Im not able to, I play top and those are the three champions that I pick. I hate the "just sit in lane and farm" part of top lane and these three really allow you to help your team out wich is my favorite part of being support.

Sinestri3 votes

This is awesome. I feel the same way towards this game. I'm mainly a support as well and agree with everything your saying. Except the sport part some people do see this as a sport and i do a little bit to were your on a team and you go to where you play the best. I have a group and we all know what we like the best and i am the support and there's nothing wrong with playing one role because then you just keep getting better and better at that role and the champions you play.Bard for life

Milodic Mellodi3 votes

I agree with this. Personally, I'm more of an ADC, Mid, and Support main (though I can't Top or Jungle worth anything). I'm incredibly happy that they're going to have everything be Team Builder in Season 6, so that's one thing...but I agree. You should always try to at least get a feel for each role. While I'm not a good Top Laner or Jungler, I'm not a total feeder (unless with Riven, who I've just started out with), and I've attempted to make sure that I can at least try to hold my own until the Ganks happen. However...I know I won't be a Top main or Jungle main. I've always been someone who assaults or assists from a distance, and melee fighting and tight corners have never been my strong suit. I like to control the board, either through overwhelming offense/defense or strategy. So again, I for one am very glad they're having matchmaking be Role-based instead of "here's a random 9 other people, have fun".

blueberrypancake3 votes

I don't know, over time my best roles change

I remember when I first started league I never played top, but one day I decided to play top taric. At the end of season 5 I had a 8 game i wn streak in which 6 were me being top Mundo or Cho'Gath. Earlier that year I played mainly ADC and Support (I played ADC because I was tired of all those feeding Vaynes, it did not end very well and I played Support becasue I was tired of shitty supports). In season 4 I played Kayle and Xin Zhao which is basically the polar opposite of ADC and Support.

So what I wanna say to the people in this thread, having a role is important but don't be upset if they are not overwhelmingly good at a specific role

I'm just sad that all that ADC Kennen practice went to waste (Yes I've put like 50 hours into ADC Kennen)

I'm a person who constantly changes the champs I play like when Runeglaive was meta I played Akali again and rekt everyone but then I went back to Sivir and so on and so forth

Milodic Mellodi1 votes

I suppose it all depends on the person. I haven't tried Melee assassins yet, so perhaps that'll be the spark that gets me into actually succeeding at melee fighting. "If you want something you've never had, then you've got to do something you've never done."

DefectivDetectiv3 votes

I get where you're coming from, but there's a huge difference between the eSports scene and soloqueue, but you've probably heard that a hundred times. There are many "support" characters for every role in the game. Shen is a very support-like character, and he's top lane. You can play Orianna or Lulu mid. There are an endless number of support junglers, Elise, (if you build tank) Sejuani, Sion, Amumu, J4, (kinda) Nunu, Rammus, Rek'Sai, Udyr, Zac, and the list goes on. (I like to try Braum jungle with Devourer, it's terrifying) ADC has a lot less, but there's still Ashe, MF and Sivir. What I would do is find someone in each role that you can enjoy playing, and try them out in bots matches or normals until you feel comfortable. Don't pick someone who's really strong in this meta, (like Darius, Garen or Graves) because they'll be targeted by bans.

Zero Shingetsu2 votes

Good ideas all. :) I never considered the "don't pick strong meta picks" angle, but that's a good point. Generally, I do the opposite: I take champions I've become comfortable with and play them at support. Did this with LeBlanc until they nerfed her silence, and I often do it with Rammus, Nasus, Pantheon, Sejuani, and lately Illaoi. I feel like if there's any way a champion can support, I'll find it. Maybe they'd be good champions to take into other lanes when support isn't there.

Spacesuit Spiff3 votes

I got to diamond playing mostly just the same champ in jungle and support. If i had to top i had a couple champs in my pocket that i would take if i liked the odds, but mostly if i didnt gt jg sup i would just dodge. I didnt have to dodge very often.

chipndip12 votes

You're not wrong, but you're in the wrong.

For season 6, Riot is addressing this issue by making it so you have a primary and a secondary role. When you que for ranked, you'll search for the least amount of overlap between the two in a group of 5 that's close to your mmr. So you won't always get support, but you usually should get something you can do provided you aren't entirely selfish about your skill set. So you might want to work on at least one other role, but you're not entirely wrong either.

JedenVojak2 votes

League is not a sport, any more than poker is. There's nothing wrong with that, but I feel like Riot is trying too hard to make things some how "legitimate", even calling it the "LCS" like it was the NFL or NBA... It's a video game tournament guys. Even professional players are just sitting at computers playing a video game.

Since it's just a video game, play it however you want man; if you just wanna support, that's totally cool. If you're not having fun there's no point.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

I approve of this comment. :) And yeah, I'm still waiting for the MLB to sue them. If I remember right, they call their playoff the LCS. (It even stands for the same thing.) The thing that bugs me the most about Riot's focus on esports is that they often seem to balance the game around pro play, and the VAST majority of us aren't on that level. Creating, tweaking or reworking a champion primarily for top-tier play is not only gonna make the champion less effective for the masses, but there are times when a tweak will work REALLY well in the pro circuit, and then there's that one guy you get queued with who will expect you, as a low-bronze player, to be able to use that champion as effectively as his favorite LCS toplaner.

Sire Hippington2 votes

you have to understand that soloQ is only a part of league, and certainly not the part that gets it labled as e-sports.

If you have a fix 5v5 team you play with, there is no problem focusing on one role.

But soloQ is not like one soccer clup playing another, it's random kits meating in a backyard. Their is no clear distribution of roles, and often a clash of conflicts. you just try to compare casual playing with professional sports, that doesn't work.

And for all sports: if you want to be good, you should have played a bit in each role simply to understand how that role works, it helps you alot at playing together with teamates if you know what their role exacrly is, and it also helps alot playeing vs opponents if you know better what can crew that role. I'm 100% sure that all NBA players have played in all roles. Not in official mataches, but duering training at some point of their career. you don't have to be great at each role, but you should have some experince with each.

ClatoVerataNicto2 votes

I get what you're saying and I agree.

But as a hockey player and a goalie, that hockey description made me want to cry tears of sadness.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

Apologies! I mean no disrespect to the honorable role of goalie. :) One of the most important, I'd say! As a Chicagoan, I can appreciate a good goalie! (.... And one who's in a slump, CRAWFORD...)

ClatoVerataNicto1 votes

Didn't think you meant disrespect! Just some common misunderstandings

Just remember, everyone, including the goalie and defense have to be a great skaters, forwards (especially power forwards) hit too. Offensive prowess is really variable.

Go B's =)

Korillo1 votes

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Hockey: Goalkeepers aren't skaters. They aren't expected to be great at dekeing and wrist shots. Most defensemen aren't even expected to be great skaters. Conversely, forwards aren't expected to be great hitters or be able to catch a slapshot out of the air. It's not their role.

I like your post but I just wanted to point out that Goalies in hockey are often quite good skaters, equal if not better than most the players on their team :D. Your point that they aren't great shooters though is generally true, so I'll agree with you there!

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

Haha, fair enough! Sometimes they can even take off the gloves and throw down. :)

Rakvir1 votes

I thought the mere act of throwing off their gloves meant that any player on the ice was immediately penalized....

(I don't watch sports.)

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

Well, you ARE penalized for fighting, but hockey players will still fight and just take the penalty. :D

TheHypeGoku1 votes

You're comparing Ranked 5's to solo queue. Solo queue, you have to be able to fill whatever the team needs or whatever role is available. If you want to only play your specific role, go make a 5 man team.. It's different.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

That's a fine point, except that I don't have five friends willing to subject themselves to League's insanity. Some of us have no choice but to solo queue if we want to play ranked. (This is why I rarely do these days.)

TheHypeGoku1 votes

So you want everyone else to change how they play in order to make up for your lack of people to ranked 5's with? Cmon now.. And if we're talking about sports, there's plenty of times where someone gets picked up and is forced to play a role that they aren't comfortable with in order to fit their team better. Some times it doesn't work, other times the player adapts, expands their skill set, and adds versatility to their game. I do great playing all 5 roles and honestly you're not going to get good playing only one role. You have to be able to understand and play other roles well in order to succeed AGAINST them in competitive play.

elon wątroba1 votes

Bot games aren't granting experience? :D

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

Actually now that I think of it, Player vs AI might be. But I got to 30 on customs. :D

RamboDash151 votes

I highly recommend you look into joining a team. I find that they are no where near as toxic as solo queue, give a lot of tips as opposed to salt, and understand that you have a preferred role and work around it.

WolfBV1 votes

Could try Morgana mid or top. Just max w and use it to farm a wave easily.

SoMNia1 votes

Considering that they're bringing teambuilder elements into ranked for next season, things may change. But the flip side of your argument is that if you want to play a team sport, you need a team. As it is, if you don't have a team, then you can't be sure that whatever teams you get placed with are going to have a need for someone to play the role you want to play. That's why it's a good thing that they're making it easier for solo players to be matched with teams that need their preferred role(s).

Ginjavitis1 votes

I main mid, and can do pretty much every role decently except ADC which is below average...In your case I would say learn support champs that work in other places...Lulu, shen, elise, karma, velkoz, malphite they're all decent supports, but they also have other roles that they are good in. When I first started branching out from mid, I started playing mid-based supports like vel'koz and zyra and through trying out support now I can play quite a few champions good there. I know you say you don;t like CSing/fighting/carrying, but in sports you still have to know how the others work in order to excel at interacting with them, i would say this is the same here. Start learning other roles, and you'll not only become a better support, but also a more valuable player since you'll have more to bring to the table.

SirHeavyScrotum1 votes

Well written.

Ra1d1 votes

I agree with you and my specialty is bruiser duelists. Supporting and junglinh are difficult. So i stay with top

ltmetal1 votes

Bump. I know others have said this already, but I'll say it again: I agree with everything you said. However, the comparison to sports and positions/specializations can be fully applied to premade 5s but is less applicable the fewer teammates with which you queue.

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