Leona jungle is already decent, and its about to get buffed.

PhearBunny·Aug 27, 2019·3 votes·3,025 views

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Linna ExcelAug 27, 20192 votes

item 1400 item 3748 item 3022 = blue bruiser Leona

PxerkzaAug 27, 20191 votes

how is she decent?

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

She has two auto attack resets, has good aoe clear, works well with Cinder, and is almost Unduelable. If you have Domination Secondary, she can do drakes well too.

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

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She has two auto attack resets, has good aoe clear, works well with Cinder, and is almost Unduelable. If you have Domination Secondary, she can do drakes well too.

common mistake to go Cinderhulk. Only time youre gonna wanna go Cinderhulk is if youre way behind and being proactive isnt an option. Otherwise you wanna go Warrior to really take advantage of that short CD AA reset. She clears faster and fights better with a Warrior enchantment.

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

Personally I don't usually build her AD because her AD growth is low and her skills don't scale to it. I generally go a variant of APC that has Armor/Resist involved. Much higher output, mob clear, and mobility built into it.

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20192 votes

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Personally I don't usually build her AD because her AD growth is low and her skills don't scale to it. I generally go a variant of APC that has Armor/Resist involved. Much higher output, mob clear, and mobility built into it.

the logic behind building her AD, is that her AA reset is on such a low CD, that shes essentially attackspeed capped without having any attack speed. So going warrior youre gonna AA>Q>AA and that 60AD on warrior smacks 3 times in 1second. Which is alot of damage for how cheap Warrior is.

AP builds do work, but the problem with them is, they take too long to be stronger than an AD build. You basically need half of a complete AP build for AP Leona to have any kind of agency at all, whereas with AD, it works right out the gate and never stops working.

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

Echo (if we're talking purely offensive) scales a lot sooner and harder than Warrior does, and averages more damage on Leona. Lich Bane complements the same purpose as a Trinity Force too.

PxerkzaAug 27, 20191 votes

there are better tanks with better engage and higher durability on top of self peel

other than it being not awful there are better options

it's the same argument as why play vayne jungle when you can play kindred jungle

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

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there are better tanks with better engage and higher durability on top of self peel

other than it being not awful there are better options

it's the same argument as why play vayne jungle when you can play kindred jungle

Well theres always better options, unless you only exlcusively play godtier champions lol.

PxerkzaAug 27, 20191 votes

the difference being that the champions have the same play patterns so the skills between vayne and kindred aren't much different

so it's not like im saying you should be playing sejuani when you like playing khazix

you are free to go leona jungle all im saying is that zac and sejuani will outperform you without a monitor

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

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the difference being that the champions have the same play patterns so the skills between vayne and kindred aren't much different

so it's not like im saying you should be playing sejuani when you like playing khazix

you are free to go leona jungle all im saying is that zac and sejuani will outperform you without a monitor

Thats actually not true at all. Sej and Zac tbh, arent any better than Leona, and they are way less flexible. If what youre looking to do is be a raw pure tank, yeah Zac or Sej will fill that role better, but maybe thats not what i was looking to fill.

Leona is way more flexible than both of those champs in regards to itemization, playstyle, and role in a teamcomp. I can play her from the jungle as... AD fighter/Bruiser. AD assassin. Tank. Support tank.

I can only play Zac and Sej as tanks.

PxerkzaAug 27, 20192 votes

you haven't done ap bruiser zac i see and sej as ap burst mage works just as fine you are just a lot less forgiven for mistakes

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

Give examples, and I can honestly tear them apart. Naut for example has a very long, but limited engage, and is screwed by minions. He also lacks flat and scaling damage reduction.

They've buffed Leona in about 3 different ways for jungle: Flat W Damage reduction, in addition to scaling Armor/Resist. Cinder is back to large monster burn damage. Q is shorter CD.

I'm not saying I meta her right now, but I do think she's at least one of the top 3 tank junglers right now.

P.S. She clears about 30% Faster than Sejuani, and about 20% faster than Zac. The only real advantage they have is wall jumping.

PxerkzaAug 27, 20191 votes

for a jungler to be good it needs % dmg and leona doesn't have % dmg unless they give her some % dmg she will not be good in the jungle regardless of how they buff her base kit or they make her able to proc her own passive

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

I'm confused what you're smoking. MOST junglers don't have major % damage...... they have fixed rates,

PxerkzaAug 27, 20191 votes

which meta jungler currently doesn't have % dmg in it's kit?

karthus and xin are the only junglers in top 10 without % dmg and lets examine them

karthus has increased damage on his Q on single targets xin doesn't farm

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

Udyr Warwick Shaco Nocturne MasterYi Khazix Jax Chogath Diana

None of these are what you call % Damage.

PxerkzaAug 27, 20191 votes

none of these are meta i think you can guess why also ww kha and cho have the % dmg in their kit

and i also specifically told you top 10 as listing every jungler you are bound to find some that function without % dmg just for reference after junglers item completion even sona can clear camps the argument is that they can't clear as fast as champions with % dmg and thus you will get extremely fucked over by anyone that can use their brain while playing the game

IllabetheAug 28, 20191 votes

Voli: #3 Udyr #5 Shaco #6 Warwick #7

Kha does not have % damage; he has execute damage when his target is isolated. There's a difference; it's a fixed amount.

Cho has a tiny 3% HP mod to 3 auto attacks in his Vorpal spikes. Woot.

P.S. There are more % Health damage dealers in the sub 50% win rate than there are in the above 50%, so trying to make this point is just meaningless.

PxerkzaAug 28, 20191 votes

voli has % dmg ww has % dmg

also kha is equivalent to % dmg as his damage to single targets is vastly increased on top of his Q gaining reduced CD if you got Q evolve

Shaco also has % dmg you might think it's irrelevant as his E does insignificant damage but it's there

udyr doesn't have % dmg and he isn't the fastest clearer in the game unless you get tiamat shaco also doesn't clear without tiamat WW sucks at clearing without tiamat or cinderhulk and even with them his clear is still slow voli clear is terrible

none of the above 6 champions are meta and i don't know by what statistic you grouped those champions as they aren't in the top 10 by win rate by ban rate nor by pick rate and a 53% win rate voli with 1.5% pick rate is definitely not meta so don't try to pull this shit it's like me arguing that asol is meta because of his high win rate

IllabetheAug 28, 20191 votes

Omfg at Udyr not being the fastest jungle clearer (without Tiamat) He's LITERALLY the fastest jungle clearer outside of post 8 minutes Nidalee!

Phoenix does AOE! Alternate Tiger/Phoenix and BAM. Instant Clear.

They are literally in top 10 by win rate!

PxerkzaAug 28, 20191 votes

? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD somebody doesn't know how fast karthus clears somebody doesn't know how fast kindred clears somebody doesn't know how fast eve clears nocturn even clears faster than udyr also nobody does phoenix unless they want to do something different the only thing udyr does relatively fast is the first camp and even then there are things like kayn that kill raptors in 7 seconds lvl 1 alone

https://i.imgur.com/biXn6GL.png if you are doing anything else you are effectively not trying to win

Daddy AntsAug 29, 20191 votes

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None of these are what you call % Damage.

Warwick has % damage on his Q.

Jaws of the Beast Range: 350

Cooldown: 6 Cost: 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90

Warwick dashes to the target enemy and bites them, dealing 120% AD (+90% of ability power) (+6 / 6.5 / 7 / 7.5 / 8% target's maximum health) magic damage, applying on-hit effects and healing himself for 30 / 45 / 60 / 75 / 90% of the damage dealt.

Linna ExcelAug 27, 20191 votes

I have 3 real concerns for a jungle leona

No AD ratios at all hurts her here because I don't think building AP on her is a great option.
While her passive works in ganking it doesn't do anything for her in the jungle
She doesn't have quite the same initiation as other junglers and I'd almost prefer she be used as a linebacker. Getting more than 2 enemies caught up in your ult relies on the other team making a mistake.

IllabetheAug 27, 20191 votes

AP Leona: item 1413 item 3100 item 3102 item 3001 item 3742 Works just fine.

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

Clears at the same speed as any meta jungler, has strong ganks, strong skirmisher. Her only disadvantage is her lack of mobility, which you just end up compensating for with boots of mobility, a deadmans plate, and masteries.

Posui GartAug 27, 20193 votes

Clears at the same speed as any meta jungler

How? I dont think she can solo any buff or birds at lvl2. Without help she will die to buff camp at lvl1.

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

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How? I dont think she can solo any buff or birds at lvl2. Without help she will die to buff camp at lvl1.

If you start red side with Leona start Talisman first. and she clears it just fine. Theres some finesse to clearing birds and krugs optimally but its not hard to figure out. If u start blue side, start with a machete.

She solos buffs easy, her Q AA reset is almost the same thing as having capped attackspeed. No issues at all. Can take damage from Krugs so i generally reserve smite for big Krug.

JaspersAug 27, 20191 votes

What's the buff? Just wondering, as last time they tried to give a champ stuck in support more diversity they had to immediately hotfix them removing their diversity because of it (Morgana and her passive change, seriously, she heals of 20% damage done to champs and large monsters, do you ever noticed this? I mean compare her healing to Aatrox or Vlad, Graves with a DD even, needs upping to 25% in exchange for less E shield or something).

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

its just a Q CD reduction. 6seconds to 5seconds at all ranks. Doesnt sound like much but that 5second AA reset is kinda a big deal for clearing and skirmishing.

Daddy ReTaricAug 27, 20191 votes

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its just a Q CD reduction. 6seconds to 5seconds at all ranks. Doesnt sound like much but that 5second AA reset is kinda a big deal for clearing and skirmishing.

I mean her W change also made Leona jungle more doable as she block damage now wich monster damage count so your pick is not so trollish. I might give it a try. I always loved Leona but indeed she get counterpicked too easily.

GripaAviaraAug 27, 20191 votes

Leona is annoying ... her CC can decide matches, but it's not that great of a support if you compare it with Tresh, Naut, Puke, etc.

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

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Leona is annoying ... her CC can decide matches, but it's not that great of a support if you compare it with Tresh, Naut, Puke, etc.

personally i dont like her in the support slot, just because so many things in the bot lane hard counter her. shes good if u can get around the hard counters, but shes so easy to counterpick, that people generally do. So i prefer jungling as her.

Also, alot of ADC's dont know how to properly play alongside of a Leona, which kind of diminishes her viability in the role.

MiracleMorg94Aug 27, 20191 votes

Leona's CC actually looks great compared to the those three you mentioned. I would take her CC any day over those stupid hook or pull champions, ESPECIALLY that damn ass Pyke.

PadoµchAug 27, 20191 votes

Interesting, I like how you describe it. I will try it! Thanks!

PhearBunnyAug 27, 20191 votes

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Interesting, I like how you describe it. I will try it! Thanks!

try going Warrior>Boots of Mobility>Sheen>Phage. If you're well fed, go Trinity Force into Deadmans plate. If you arent well fed, turn the Sheen into a Gauntlet, and the Phage into a Black Cleaver and then a Deadmans plate. ^ Thats how i typically build an aggressive Leona jungle. If my team is steamrolling, ill generally go Deadmans Plate after Mobis so that i can just run people down and force engages.

There are so many paths u can take with her, but thats the most common one i take. Matchup/masteries/flow of the match will dictate what path u take really.

TeémòAug 27, 20191 votes

Praise the sun something different xD

Daddy ReTaricAug 27, 20191 votes

Can you link your acount Phearbunny? I want to see some of your match history for exemple. Your account you play on, I mean.

Daddy ReTaricAug 27, 20191 votes

Tbh my build as Leona jungle would be this item 1413 item 3117 or item 3047 item 3800 item 3742 or item 3065 and item 3025 item 3748 and early item 3077 for more wave clear in jungle and health regen and you turn it into titanic later on.