Almost Permanent Damage reduction, Technically he can build damage and be as tanky as any Tank. Oh and let's not forget Conqueror... I wonder where this is going to go. Is this how you break a champion in 1 patch?
Critmaster Garen4 votes{quoted} Technically he can build damage and be as tanky as any Tank.
almost as if hes some form of juggernaut.
also, who the fuck is LS? should anyone know that guy?
also why does he think garens w cooldown starts with the cast and not when the buff ends, like it actually does and there is still 9 second cooldown between casts with 40% cdr?
EbonyBladeJ882 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:01:39.065+0000)
almost as if hes some form of juggernaut.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png
TBH, I don't really think his resistances and W really needed these changes. This just forces him to farm more, despite the slight increase to every 3 minions/kills per 1 resistance and 10 increase to cap. He needs help on the damage front more in my personal opinion. His E early on is laughable. Basic attacking is more effective, or it sure feels that way sometimes.
Critmaster Garen4 voteshttps://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png
TBH, I don't really think his resistances and W really needed these changes. This just forces him to farm more, despite the slight increase to every 3 minions/kills per 1 resistance and 10 increase to cap. He needs help on the damage front more in my personal opinion. His E early on is laughable. Basic attacking is more effective, or it sure feels that way sometimes.
agreed. i just find the complaints about garen buffs at all dumb as shit, when hes currently one of the weakest champions in the game.
also, that guy who apparantly just reads out the patch notes and makes a youtube video off it, doesnt even know how the cooldown on garens w works.
EbonyBladeJ882 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:08:43.743+0000)
agreed. i just find the complaints about garen buffs at all dumb as shit, when hes currently one of the weakest champions in the game.
also, that guy who apparantly just reads out the patch notes and makes a youtube video off it, doesnt even know how the cooldown on garens w works.
It's longer than he thinks even with 45% CDR. Besides, Garen is actually losing some of the active time for this, which is really still not what he needs. He needs help on DAMAGE, NOT RESISTANCES! It's almost like they're trying to take him OUT of being a Juggernaut. No! I like my Garen as a Juggey! What'd I make my silly "Juggernaut Club" thing based around after all?
emarythomp21 votesAgreed
emarythomp21 votesAlso to follow up on your point where there trying to take damage in exchange for tankiness: I also agree with this. So many times in my games whether I win or lose I check the stats and see that I did poor damage, but for some reason I had the highest "damage taken" in the game everytime. That's why I'm not as excited for the W change because it just means now you have to w max 1st or 2nd to even get the effect of the buff, meaning you sacrifice q or e max, and in turn lose damage.
So this actually nerfs garen's damage even more even if it's a good buff.
I remember in season 8 I could get highest damage in the game if I played properly and carried. Now I'm still experimenting with w max 2nd, but I'm skeptical about the carry part...
Critmaster Garen2 voteshttps://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/027/475/Screen_Shot_2018-10-25_at_11.02.15_AM.png
TBH, I don't really think his resistances and W really needed these changes. This just forces him to farm more, despite the slight increase to every 3 minions/kills per 1 resistance and 10 increase to cap. He needs help on the damage front more in my personal opinion. His E early on is laughable. Basic attacking is more effective, or it sure feels that way sometimes.
yo, am i stupid or did they change how the cooldown on garens w works without including that part in the patch notes?
i swear yesterday i literally double checked that the cooldown only starts when the buff runs out, the same way garens q only goes on cooldown when the silence falls off.
today i play the first game and immediately notice, that the w cooldown starts on cast.
because this really reduces the window in which you dont have the resistance to 4 seconds with enough cdr.
EbonyBladeJ881 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-03T14:15:53.571+0000)
yo, am i stupid or did they change how the cooldown on garens w works without including that part in the patch notes?
i swear yesterday i literally double checked that the cooldown only starts when the buff runs out, the same way garens q only goes on cooldown when the silence falls off.
today i play the first game and immediately notice, that the w cooldown starts on cast.
because this really reduces the window in which you dont have the resistance to 4 seconds with enough cdr.
No, your eyes aren't playing tricks on you. His W CD now starts from the moment you activate it. I tested it a couple of times in the Practice Tool, and then again in some VS AI games to make sure my eyes weren't playing tricks on me either. I swear, it's like they're TRYING to turn him into a Tank. A Warden or a Vanguard, don't know, but all I can say is NO! DON'T! STOP, RIOT! Garen NEEDS to stay a JUGGERNAUT! And for Pete's Sake, help him in the areas he NEEDS to feel like a JUGGERNAUT! The damage, NOT the resistances/tankiness!
True Garen4 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-04-03T14:15:53.571+0000)
yo, am i stupid or did they change how the cooldown on garens w works without including that part in the patch notes?
i swear yesterday i literally double checked that the cooldown only starts when the buff runs out, the same way garens q only goes on cooldown when the silence falls off.
today i play the first game and immediately notice, that the w cooldown starts on cast.
because this really reduces the window in which you dont have the resistance to 4 seconds with enough cdr.
They said that they wanted to focus on the skill part of W, the first .75s. So it does make sense to have the CD now based on just that initial part of it.
Transcendence builds.
emarythomp21 votesLS is a highly credible coach who mostly focuses on pro play. He did casting and is currently casting in LCK this year. His word is relatively credable although he has a lot of blunders like thinking garens W cd starts as soon as it's activated (Although I would kind of like that hehe)
emarythomp23 votesHe gets 60% damage reduction and 60% tenacity for .75 seconds and 30% for the rest of the duration and it doesn't mitigate true damage. By no means is it permanent. At max its 5 seconds but that's mostly 5 seconds of 30% damage reduction and .75 seconds of 60% damage reduction every 5 seconds if timed right. You can still take a lot of damage. LS wasn't speechless also. To be more specific, LS said this was a good buff to garen and even thinks he has competitive viability only in specific team comps. He wanted to talk about garen later so even then he still needs to think about it.
No he can't. As someone who extensively played and plays Garen, is apart of the garen subreddit, had discussions in the garen discord, and watches high elo garen players like Riste, I can confidently say that he still can't do that. Or at least not more damage than the builds he already does. He cannot be "as tanky as a tank" not even close. I One trick garen. Even with this buff he can still get popped if he isn't careful because of other slight problems in his kit and the way his kit works
Conquer doesn't work on garen...... Your q and e only give one stack meaning at max you have 2 stacks of conquer. Also it'll be a breeze for opponents in lane if garen takes conquer
It's likely going to make him good again. Not as good as his season 8 presence, but good. He was in a terrible spot because of the q nerfs and celerity nerf. As well as other toplane champs getting buffed through items and their own stats.
He's good. Not broken. It just means people have to play against him more carefully at most. It was a much needed buff.
Critmaster Garen2 votes
- It's likely going to make him good again. Not as good as his season 8 presence, but good. He was in a terrible spot because of the q nerfs and celerity nerf. As well as other toplane champs getting buffed through items and their own stats.
i think most of the reason why garen dropped off after season 8 was the overall meta change.
the game practically sucked him off during the vs. event with teamcomps mostly being filled with lethality assassins and low cc champions.
jungle it was mostly khazix at the time, mid it was zed (maybe talon? not sure anymore), and it was also around pykes release before people started running aftershock on him, and built him mostly assassin.
so often it was 3 assassins on a team, a type of champion who has a hard time dealing with garen, since you cant just burst him out.
EbonyBladeJ881 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cd1ejjZE,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-03T01:17:45.851+0000)
i think most of the reason why garen dropped off after season 8 was the overall meta change.
the game practically sucked him off during the vs. event with teamcomps mostly being filled with lethality assassins and low cc champions.
jungle it was mostly khazix at the time, mid it was zed (maybe talon? not sure anymore), and it was also around pykes release before people started running aftershock on him, and built him mostly assassin.
so often it was 3 assassins on a team, a type of champion who has a hard time dealing with garen, since you cant just burst him out.
That, and while I certainly have nothing against going 
on Garen, his usual bread-and-butter item 
just doesn't cut it anymore. Tri Garen works best when the enemy team doesn't have an actual-factual Tank in their lineup. Like if you're facing a squishier top-lane opponent, like most Skirmishers or even some of the Ranged Top-laners or Mages you see up there. The Sheen proc (Which I STILL THINK needs to be changed back, or at least changed to if it never was, to Base AD alongside 
) works wonders on bursting them down. But, that's NOT what a Juggernaut, at least according to the design of their overall class of Fighters, is supposed to DO! Juggers are supposed to be DPS based, not Burst.
Meanwhile, going is almost like a joke. Even when I don't play Garen, the ones I see don't use it. Heck, ADCs like 
and 
seem to get more out of it these days than Juggernauts do, and it's a Juggernaut-intended item! Only when there is an actual-factual Tank on the enemy team, that is going to build Armor, will I get nowadays. That, IMO, is NOT a good omen for Garen, or even Juggernauts in general.
emarythomp21 votesCompletely agree man. Sometimes it's not even viable to go black clever anymore. I usually go 
's against ads and I go against mages but mostly rush merc boots.
Even with this buff he might still be the worst juggernaut out of them all.
emarythomp21 votesYeah the q nerfs, celerity nerf, other toplaners buffed, and the meta change basically killed him. The fact that MULTIPLE people on these boards are talking about "Why buff garen" or "Nerf garen" just aggravates me because they don't understand that before this garen was quite literally the weakest champion in the game. Then when Riot, after months of nothing, finally give a sizable buff to make him able to at least have a stay in the meta people think it's overpowered.
I find it funny how riot literally gave mundos q 20% current health damage lvl 1 and basically nerfed sylas into the ground yet the one complaint about patch 9.7 I see is about fucking garen lmao.
I'm just hoping all these complains don't carry over to reddit and force riot to nerf him
