Vayne and Fiora make me feel like building defenses is useless

Hexs Fortune·Oct 2, 2015·2 votes·439 views

Perception might be off vs reality, but I notice my tank items being way more worth when those two aren't in the game

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Sire HippingtonOct 2, 20152 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne well, that mostly is perception if you look at vayne alone. vayne still deals 80% physical damage, fiora deals 75% physical, so getting armor still will help vs most of their damage(asumeing armor is working well enough vs physical damage, which with LW+BC is kinda questionable)

If we asume 3000hp and 200armor, vaynes truedamage based on statistics reduces your effective health by 20%, so from 9000 vs physical to 7200.

LW vs the same target changes it to 3000hp and 130armor, so 6900 effective health remaining. any aditional hp would make silverbolts stronger in relation to LW, any additional armor would make LW stronger relative to silverbolts.

So LW actually makes armor more obsolete than silverbolts. Now we also could figure what BotrK, which deals 24% current health every 3 hits, so at fullhealth you need 200armor after pen for silverbolts to do as much damage...

The problematic thing now is that Vayne will usually get LW and BoteK ontop of her W... so with just LW+silverbolts, from the 9000 efective health, only 5520remain statistically...(2400hp (20% from 3000 taken away by truedamage)+130armor(35% taken away form 200 by LW)) Thats not worse than what a Wukong Q with aditional 35% shred does to your tankiness though, just that he denies your tankiness vs any physical damage, not just his own...

However, vayne is meant to shred through tanks, she pais for it with a lack of range and aoe, so she needs to take on one target by the time and position rather risky, makeing her not that great on teamfights unless she gets alot protection from her team. However, she's a superior duelist, and somehow people don't understand that going 1v1 vs a Vayne is a even worse idea than going 1v1 vs Zed...

LadyRenlyOct 2, 20152 votes

"armor is literally useless against vayne"

yet true damage only applies on every 3rd auto. it's as if her other 2 autos do 0 damage and her 3rd is a magical insta gibbing nuke.

Bouncemaster ZacOct 2, 20151 votes

It is useless against them.

luckmalloryOct 2, 20151 votes

They have true damage in their kits and are tank busters. It is their job

FurriesAreHotOct 2, 20151 votes

Well they are made to shred tanks

InphernalOct 2, 20151 votes

Thats what true damage is..?

UltîmaOct 2, 20151 votes

I think that people underestimate the usefulness of Thornmail against them. As other posters have pointed out; Vayne and Fiora deal true damage in certain situations more than 75% of their damage is still completely AD, which means that building armor is still very useful against them. Their designs give them some degree of reliable damage against anyone, but it'll always take them a lot longer to take down a tank than a squishy target. If you have somewhat high health as it is and can motivate buying items like Frozen Heart, then you might want to consider thornmail against them specifically. Bork and Hydra also aren't the strongest lifesteal items in the game in duels (BT easily wins out on that one) which means that the item still gets to entirely negate their sustain if they target you in a fight. That power seriously can't be underestimated since they're both relatively squishy.