Why are some people still acting like assassins are OK right now?

PaffWasTaken··20 votes·3,780 views

I'll probably get hated on because of saying this, but... Assassin's are far from being alright for the game, and this has been only going worse and worse just until the recent Electrocute "nerfs' (who were just an hidden buff, since its much stronger early now, helping its users to snowball even more now).

You look anywhere in the game, and the only thing you see are just assassins. They are supposed by design to be high skillcaped champions who are rarely picked and only by those who knows how to use them, but nowadays anyone can just pick one, miss almost every skillshots, and still be able to kill pretty much anyone safely.

And still, some people are arguing that assassins need to be yet again buffed while using the worst excuses possible, like "marksmans are getting buffed, so assassins needs some compensation too", "mid lane was dominated by mages for years, its only fair to see assassins smash them most of the time for once", or even "Tanks are keeping assassins from doing their jobs, so they should get more means to either bypass them or kill them too". In any single meta, there will be people who wants assassins to be stronger for ANY reason, and now that they are indeed way too strong and that Riot is currently looking into that, they want compensation buffs or anything that will keep them at the top.

No assassin should get massive pickrates No assassin should be at the top of the winrate list No assassin should be able to bypass their weakness by any means

They are supposed to be hard champions meant to be played by a minority of higher skilled players, not "go to" picks who result in higher chances of winning. Assassins who have positive winrates in permanence are far more problematic for the game than those who have negative ones. They should feel counterable outside of "outburst him before he bursts you".

That was me ranting just like always. I don't do this because I want people to see their favorite champion become trash tier, but because the game could be much more enjoyable while still having a small but distinct niche for assassin players for them to display their skill outside of just being overadvantaged. I'm a Viktor main , and I very rarely play competitive, but I understand why he has a negative winrate and I know that he definitely would be problematic if he ever gets too high. I'm also very bad at him, but it does make me smile whenever I manage to use him properly and effectively, and this is a feeling that I'm sure a lot of players enjoy too: picking the champion that, even if underadvatanged, can still be a force to reckon with when you do manage to get in one of "those" moments. This is how a lot of assassin players felt back when the meta wasn't in their favor and, even if my opinion is probably biased, I feel it would be better to bring them back to this, and not for giving an advantage to another champion pool (like with Marksmens in S7), but for putting everyone on an even ground.

47 Comments

saltran9 votes

Assasins are balanced and dont need more nerfs, the Boards are just circlejerking as always.

Paroe13 votes

{quoted}

Assasins are balanced and dont need more nerfs, the Boards are just circlejerking as always.

AP assassins are in a balanced state. AD assassins are far to strong right now, but thats because of how snowballing works at the moment. Talon and zed could use nerfs, though.

rayzo2 votes

{quoted}

AP assassins are in a balanced state.

tell that to Diana

HaIlMonitor1 votes

She is a diver....

rayzo1 votes

you spelled assassin wrong

HaIlMonitor1 votes

How is she an assassin? Where are her escapes???

rayzo1 votes

where are Rengar 's escapes?

HaIlMonitor1 votes

He is also a diver....

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Diver#Divers

Like holy cow I wish people knew what they were talking about lol.

rayzo1 votes

By assassin, I meant the type of champion that can kill with with one rotation of spells. Not the fucking technical riot bullshit class that isn't even organized properly. Rengar Diana MonkeyKing and shadow Kayn do not belong in the same category as Kled Skarner JarvanIV Warwick .

HaIlMonitor1 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Slayer....

Um sorry you are easily confused but blue Kayn is an Assassin, and Red is a Slayer. I also find it funny you put J4 in that list when he can blow people up just as easy and all 4 of the ones you put.

rayzo1 votes

it literally listed Kayn as a diver, and no, Jarvan does not oneshot anything unless he builds lethality which is not very good right now on him unless insanely ahead.

EDIT:

"Article Slayer.... was not found What do you want to do?

Search existing articles for Slayer.... Create article Slayer...."

rayzo1 votes

you literally pulled that one out of your ass.

HaIlMonitor1 votes

Jarvan does not oneshot anything unless he builds lethality

Du... Full damage is full damage.

HaIlMonitor1 votes

AP assassins are in a balanced state. AD assassins are far to strong right now, but thats because of how snowballing works at the moment. Talon and zed could use nerfs, though.

You have that backwords. AP assassins are Stupid strong right now.... Talon/Shaco (shaco might need a nerf) is the only AD Assassin with over a 50% winrate, well Kat, Ekko, Fizz then a handful of Burst mages like Nid and Ahri that play like Assassins are also all sitting pretty high up there. AP assassins are really strong, just seeing a little less play so they must be "weaker" right????

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/platinum/by-winrate

BeatzBoyFTW5 votes

"Circlejerk" is such an overused trendy word for "no one cares about your opinion cz I said so".

saltran7 votes

Well, it is really what happens: no one cares abuot the Boards opinion because this forum is a meme itself.

Who Fed Ru3 votes

^

Màcro1 votes

Listen I like hashinshin too & think assassins are (mostly) fine, but unhelpful comment.

Netorare9 votes

Because people are dumb enough and dont want to accept that the assassin rework failed. Lethality or just duskblade should be removed...

Slivyr1 votes

{quoted}

Because people are dumb enough and dont want to accept that the assassin rework failed. Lethality or just duskblade should be removed...

It's almost like items should just provide stats instead of abilities better-suited for champion passives where the numbers can be tweaked.

The entirety of AD assassins hinging on duskblade is one of the poorest decisions Riot's ever made. It's impossible to balance the item and it makes it impossible for assassins to have any meaningful kit identities.

LaserDeathBlade7 votes

Assassins are prevalent because damage is just insane, and assassins are very reliable at putting out damage

If Tanks could actually front line and not die instantly, Assassin pickrate would go way down immediately.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Issue is that would require a tank meta, and apparently everyone hates the tank meta more than this one shot meta.

Màcro1 votes

Tanks are fine where they are, it's the lack of impactful MR items in the game that makes most ap assassins so strong. #BringBackForceOfNature

SmashinBob2 votes

high skillcaped champions, that made me laugh, so you are saying other roles require no skill? There are some simple assasins to play out there, on top of that, champions arent hard to play when u invest a 100 games into them, its mostly just the learning curve that is hard.

PaffWasTaken2 votes

I never mentionned any other class' skill requirement. I just wanted to point out that assassins fill a place that shouldn't be primordial every single game and that this learning curve that you mentioned isn't there anymore. Even if a new Zed misses every single shuriken, he can still take down a squishy without consequences with only an electrocute procced by Auto-E + ult, and I have the feeling that Zed shouldn't be one of those "simple assassins"

Màcro3 votes

I find it very unlikely that the scenario stated has happened.

HaIlMonitor2 votes

I do too. I have never seen a video of any assassin being even with an opponent and blowing them up well missing a couple spells. Usually its like 15-2 Zed "EmErGeRd, He MiSsEd A sPeLl AnD kILlEd MeH!"

Fízz v22 votes

meanwhile high skillcap champs like ryze taliyah cassio can be blind picked and S+ tier champs for months? lul

Ranmaru1 votes

Wait cassio is S Tier? ohhh because mobility meta

saltran1 votes

Cassio is a S+ champ?

Fízz v21 votes

not anymore but last year she was for a very long time

Lauchmelder1 votes

{quoted}

Cassio is a S+ champ?

Get a level 2 cheese kill, then shit on your enemy. Sounds about right. Works best in low elo.

PaffWasTaken1 votes

https://i.imgur.com/PBWMGbf.png[/img]

S+ tier uh I understand that he had some pretty rough times where he dominated, but well, its been almost over a year now and he is still one of the worst midlaners. Meanwhile Fizz and similar champions gets nerfed because they are problematic just to get buffed and renerfed right after

MLDzXnRRR2 votes

Also ignite got buffed some time ago, add duskblade, stormrazor and the rune dmg, it's an easy kill every time.

Màcro2 votes

Replace assassin with any other class & 75% of this rant can apply to anyone. Everyone complains about the class that counters them. More than likely, you and/or your team are not playing against the assassin correctly, causing the skillcap for the enemy assassin to be lowered. I see it all the time. No I'm not an assassin main, I'm a fill main.

GLHF, and use prior mistakes for future advantages.

Jeiku2 votes

Lethality is the reason we have this problem.

The Highest Noon1 votes

As someone who memes Darius mid vs Akali and crushes her every game...

Eh

Ragnaveil1 votes

Part of the issue is the removal of being able to start the game with 9 armor from runes. Currently most champs have less armor than they had before, mainly mid and ad. That's kinda accounting for some of the problems with assassins right now, and why assassins like Talon at level 2 can just instakill someone if they play level 1 correctly.

Larriet1 votes

I'll probably get hated on because of saying this, but...

Not to be rude, but is this a joke? Do you know where you are? lol

Màcro1 votes

"AsSaSsInS gEt To MuCh bUrsT fRoM sToRmRaZoR"

  • AD Carrys, probably spamming jhin or cait right now. summoner 14
mzicio1 votes

Please avoid generalizing. Talon Zed are currently broken, AP assassins are fine (fizz is stupidly facerolly but i've heard the last nerfs toned him down a bit) and all the other AD assassins are always brought in this kind of posts because of items like item 3147 being stupid. They're fine.

GodlyBane1 votes

why do people act like mages are ok? mages = assassins = Insta burst. Assasins and mages are the same, one is ranged one shot, one is melee/mage one shot

HaIlMonitor1 votes

The only Assassins that need nerfed are AP assassins. Kat and fizz are dumb. AD assassins are fine though, but that is probably because I enjoy laning vs them because they feel like skill matchups to me.

Highvoltage9991 votes

Currently I think the assassin meta is just fine. The main problem is when a Zed or Talon out pokes ranged mages. Melee champions vs ranged should get extremely poked out of lane, but when one Zed combo or Talon w does half you health, your constant poke feels completely irrelevant.

Hügö1 votes

Because if everything can oneshot it is ok for assassins too.

Dorans Pants1 votes

I just love this "well your team didn´t play perfectly at any given moment, so it´s your fault that the assassin got fed without much effort" excuse. Completely ignoring that it takes like 10x more effort countering an assassin than playing one.

what to keep in mind when fighting against mages:

  • they bully you early due to most assassins being melee champs
  • you have to dodge their poke
  • they can assist ganks with cc

that´s it! and as soon as you go out of range you are safe. sure they have their fair share of advantages but from a counterplay perspective, they are pretty straightforward.

now assassins:

  • knowing their power spikes is far more important otherwise they will get early kills
  • you have to ward everything since they can engage you from everywhere and over walls and you can´t outrun them, so you have to know where they are before they know where you are
  • doing anything on your own like warding or pushing is therefor suicide, so you better stick to someone with an instant point and click hard cc at any given moment or you will just get dived
  • they can dive you very easily especially if they have jgler who assists them, so you are not even safe under your tower
  • your jgler can only gank you if you bait at least one of his mobility spells out, which also means that he will probably all in you then, so it´s risky af, because not all jglers can help you in time
  • you have to keep track of their roaming and ping the shit out of your bot/top, which gets sometimes ignored, so there is not even something you could do about it, as you are not always in a position in which you can follow an assassin into the jgl
  • some assassins still poke you like mages would so you have to pay attention to that as well

as soon as you or one of you teammates fuck one of these things up, the assassin gets his early kills and since assassin engages are nearly 100% foolproof and their burst is so high, especially with a kill or two, which they will inevitably get, that they don´t even have to hit half their shit to kill. At this point, it´s just engaging and stat checking rinse and repeat until they get too cocky and throw their lead away or they prolong the game for so long that mages finally start to have more impact in teamfights. No wonder they thrive in lower divisions, where it´s practically cod.

and this is from a support player, who rarely has the chance to beat assassins in these stat-check-contests because he is chronically underfed as a support, but gets engaged on anyway because he is an easy target and no one cares about if the support survives or not, so even when you get dived 1v4 most people will expect you to peel for them, but won´t peel for you. Most of the time they can´t even do a thing since the burst is so high. So I can not control if he gets fed or not and I can barely do anything to stop his engages. And your positioning doesn´t even matter as most assassins can cover half the map with their mobility. The only thing you can do is rely on your teammates and hope to god they are competent enough to stop him.

And it´s not like I am only on the receiving end here. From time to time I do play an assassin, even though I despise the whole class, and it´s just utterly disgusting how easy it is for me, a person who doesn´t play duellists and is not good at dueling, who doesn´t play that champ or this class often and is not even familiar with the playstyle, to rack up kills left and right like it´s nothing and survive stupid things I should have never survived. That shouldn´t be the case and I will never be convinced that this class is healthy in the slightest.

high-skill champions my ass

Edit: holy fuck I didn´t mean to write a novel

Dr Dog1 votes

assassins are fine atm actually, after this recent patch anyway because electrocutes problem was its absurd dmg and all in power, in its state rn being up more doesnt matter when it isnt it big dmg issue. one the otherhand duskblade and ignite are just disgusting, and leblanc needs to be rereverted, her rewoked kit was much more health and actually took half a braincell

More from Gameplay

More by PaffWasTaken