Illaoi... a juggernaut?

But that's what they do. They deal lots of damage and are really hard to kill - if you get near them. They are really easy to kite. Illaoi especially needs a zone set up to deal her damage - if you stay outside f that zone, there's not a lot that she can do.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/gameplay-update-juggernauts

When you think brute force, these champions should come to mind: powerful, durable, immobile and melee. They’re League’s hulking titans who, come late game,** turn into super tanky carries who’ll pretty much destroy anyone foolish enough to get in their way.** The prototypical juggernaut is Nasus, the classic one dog late game wrecking machine. The archetypal raid boss can only do his thing when he’s in melee range, and his lack of gap closer means he often has to rely on allied speed boosts like Sivir’s On The Hunt or well-aimed crowd control like a Morgana binding to get close, but once he does, he unleashes the power of his trademark Siphoning Strike.

the problem is, that people still dont seem to understand juggernauts are supposed to be lategame carries.

they have one exploitable weakness, and that is that theyre kitable at every stage of the game. their high defense (usually through items) is their counterweight to this weakness.

they are the diametrically opposed concept to marksmen as carries. instead of kiting and trying to stay out of range while dealing damage, they want to get in your face. but just like marksmen need the aid of their allies to keep distance and help peel (or should.... even though we know this isnt true in a lot of cases), juggernauts need help of a tank or support to overcome enemy kiting and get close.

otherwise they deal damage like any carry. you should expect them to hit as hard as lategame marksmen and assassins.

especially illaoi is counterplayed by positioning, and isolating her from her tentacles.

what ppl don't seem to understand is that EVERYTHING deals too much damage this season. Its not that their damage is too much its just that you're not doing enough.

Illaoi's E wasn't a nerf. it was a QOL change. As an illaoi main. it felt more like a net buff because they spawn closer, faster, and swing more frequently.

Also. the most played juggernauts i see all have strong sustain. Just buy grievous wounds early () or go into game with ignite. They are not hard to counter at all. A top laner with ignite when I'm Illaoi makes 2v1's and 1v1s much more dangerous as you lose 40% of your sustain and i often just play safer just knowing they have it and I almost always take it when facing Darius, Nasus or Illaoi (I usually play or in that case).

Juggernauts have one huge exploitable weakness... Its there movement speed. No really. Kiting them and keeping a distance from them significantly shuts down their ability to deal fuck tons of damage. Also building items like (for magic damage) or / (for physical damage) lets you bypass a large portion of their defensive stats.

Just so you can see what there movement speeds are. movement speed: 325 movement speed: 340 same as Illaoi. same as Darius/Illaoi.

floats faster then them! And he has a base movement speed of 350.

There are a few ranged top laners you can take to fuck them over. I just don't know them all, nor can I think of them right now, since I don't play top lane at all.

Juggernauts are easily kited, that's their weakness.

I suppose kiting doesn't exist. I suppose her complete lack of mobility and almost any real CC (without Iceborn/E slow) doesn't exist. I suppose CCing her doesn't exist. I suppose building anti-tank (Whisper/Executioner's for sustain tanks/etc) doesn't exist.

the problem with Illaoi is that you cant gank her if her ults up, and you cant go all in because of her tentacle territory so what do you do? people who haven't learned cant do anything the key to fighting Illaoi is: tower hug and pray you survive

you can also try dodging and harassing if you're very good, but that takes way more effort than any other champion you lane against