I'm sorry but what...One shot? (veigar)

Gladiore67·Oct 1, 2015·4 votes·2,702 views

I was in a teamfight as ekko...was within veigar circle so i just sat there...Was 1980 hp everything was fine....veigar was distracted...All of a sudden I died...I just...Fell over....What? I was so confused so i looked at death recap Primordial burst 1874 damage Why was a champion given the ability to after 20 minutes press r and kill any ap based champion? :\ There is no counterplay Sure i can buy mr but what assassin is going to buy 3 mr items so it brings you down to 50% hp instead I just want some input on why this is allowed and what to do about it.

34 Comments

BleedissOct 1, 20159 votes

item 3157 item 3102

Gladiore67Oct 1, 20151 votes

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Yes its true i can zhonyas....But zhonyas has what a 90 second cd? His ult is on a much shorter cd and i may have to zhonyas for something else...Also for banshees if the veigar is within ult range he can easily just q or event horizon and wait for one of those to hit before doing it

BleedissOct 1, 20152 votes

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Yes its true i can zhonyas....But zhonyas has what a 90 second cd? His ult is on a much shorter cd and i may have to zhonyas for something else...Also for banshees if the veigar is within ult range he can easily just q or event horizon and wait for one of those to hit before doing it

your number one priority should be killing veigar, go up, bait out his ult, zhonya's it, then kill him, and ult out when you're in danger, simple

and banshee's is a strong counter against veigar due to how reliant he is on his spells, if you force him to use a spell that makes him weak for a moment you can jump on the fact he's missing something crucial and most likely kill him

also banshee's gives health and MR, health and MR are always useful against veigar

Gladiore67Oct 1, 20152 votes

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your number one priority should be killing veigar, go up, bait out his ult, zhonya's it, then kill him, and ult out when you're in danger, simple

and banshee's is a strong counter against veigar due to how reliant he is on his spells, if you force him to use a spell that makes him weak for a moment you can jump on the fact he's missing something crucial and most likely kill him

also banshee's gives health and MR, health and MR are always useful against veigar

Thing is about that...You pratically just told me to rush 2 items that aern't meant for most champions and even then getting a defensive item on a mid ap mage/assassin that gives NO offensive at all..Then he won't need his ult to kill you

BleedissOct 1, 20151 votes

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Thing is about that...You pratically just told me to rush 2 items that aern't meant for most champions and even then getting a defensive item on a mid ap mage/assassin that gives NO offensive at all..Then he won't need his ult to kill you

zhonya's is core on practically every AP champion

and ekko is one of those champions who, due to base damages, can actually build some defensive items and get away with it, this is why tank ekko is popular, even then banshee's is really just for when veigar is absurdly fed, if you want some offense too then take item 3001 which can work perfectly fine on ekko and make veigar easier to kill while yourself more defensive in stats

BârdOct 1, 20151 votes

Bitch, you are EKKO.

You can ULT to DODGE HIS ULT

Purple DeathOct 1, 20153 votes

Cuz its veigar that is literially what he does. In exchange for the dmg he has no mobility a very dodgable stun and an extremely weak early game.

CppLOct 1, 20152 votes

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Cuz its veigar that is literially what he does. In exchange for the dmg he has no mobility a very dodgable stun and an extremely weak early game.

Ye but he shouldn't do that.I mean dmg wise ,specially not with a point and click abilitie.

kJsOct 1, 20151 votes

There's nothing wrong with that if the source of the damage, Veigar, is squishy and immobile. You're Ekko as well, you can dash and blink past everything he does, besides his ultimate and even so you can time your untargetability against his ultimate. Ekko heals for more when he's bursted so buy Abysall Sceptre, dodge his Q W and E, get bursted by his ultimate, heal with yours and win the trade because now he has nothing to really hit you with.

Purple DeathOct 7, 20151 votes

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Ye but he shouldn't do that.I mean dmg wise ,specially not with a point and click abilitie.

He is an anti-mage he very well should do that buy a item 3102 if you think he is op.

Gladiore67Oct 1, 20153 votes

Theres no counterplay to that tho...A good veigar will work around both banshees and zhonyas pretty easily

HopFroggerOct 1, 20151 votes

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Theres no counterplay to that tho...A good veigar will work around both banshees and zhonyas pretty easily

Stop whining. There's plenty of counter play, especially as an Ekko. There's a reason jungle Ekko builds tank in a huge number of LCS matches. Less AP and more HP = no instagib by Veigar for you.

CatastropOct 7, 20151 votes

He has to take time to work around though, use that to your advantage. Plus you're Ekko, there 3 different ways to work around Veigar. As mentioned before, item 3102 item 3157 and your ult.

WarlockLawOct 1, 20153 votes

Just want to remind people that Veigar used to have an instant stun, dfg and an extra 0.2 ap scaling on his burst, yet nobody complained about him then. Seriously his new q farm basically makes up for his ult ratio nerf in a single rotation, but doesn't make up for the loss of dfg. He used to be able to dfg ult tanks to kill them. Why the fuck is he op now when he is less reliable with lower burst?

MarthianOct 1, 20151 votes

Because he was given better tools than his old kit

Q is WAY easier to farm AP with due to double AP on a single Q. Assists now give AP (which is frequently a 50+ AP boost, Veigar frequently got a LOT of assists)* W falls faster (has a shorter CD) E gained a delay, but came with mind games to go along with it. Also faceplants champions with dashes (shorter CD) R lost some stuff, but is still a very high base damage with 1.0 AP ratio on a click ability, scaling further with enemy AP.

*Old Veigar could not farm nearly as much AP as new Veigar. It was very rare to break 1000 AP as old Veigar, it's very common to break 1100+ AP as new Veigar (so the ult basically does the same damage, and the rest of his abilities now have more damage)

Lord AzırOct 1, 20152 votes

I was playing Urgot had my item 3110 my attack items had about 8 kills and 0 AP. A viegar with about 5-7 kills walks up and 1 shots me? Like what?

LadyRenlyOct 1, 20153 votes

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I was playing had my my attack items had about 8 kills and 0 AP. A viegar with about 5-7 kills walks up and 1 shots me? Like what?

Frozen heart gives armor, not magic resistance, lol. If you had "attack items" then no wonder you died.

Veigar keeps buying AP and only AP, and his Q farming gives him more AP, and his 5 kills gave him even more AP. Do not be surprised he one shotted you.

Lord AzırOct 1, 20153 votes

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Frozen heart gives armor, not magic resistance, lol. If you had "attack items" then no wonder you died.

Veigar keeps buying AP and only AP, and his Q farming gives him more AP, and his 5 kills gave him even more AP. Do not be surprised he one shotted you.

I know what it gives. But if I'm playing Urgot where Frozen Heart is core on him and hes naturally very tanky, I get headshot by a veigar while being known as the tankiest marksman in game and having 0 AP. Something is wrong. He is a anti-mage not a anti-champion who shouldn't be able to delete any champion in game by pressing r.

ProfDrDeathOct 1, 20151 votes

Yes.

And now imagine this situation if they had not nerfed his ultimate own AP ratio from 1.2 to 1.0.

TrídentOct 2, 20152 votes

Your fault for no item 3157 or ekko ult.

Galaxy KingOct 1, 20151 votes

item 3140 , item 3157 , and item 3102 are your best friends here, use them.

Also I like to note, that's what Veigar is, an anti mage, and you're a mage, its how he works.

BleedissOct 1, 20151 votes

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, , and are your best friends here, use them.

Also I like to note, that's what Veigar is, an anti mage, and you're a mage, its how he works.

ekko is actually an assassin, not a mage, and veigar would be considerably anti-ap as he can easily go one-shot a leblanc late game if she doesn't have zhonya's up, everything else is valid though

Mayor StubbsOct 1, 20151 votes

You're over exaggerating a little on the number I think or Veigar was realllllly fed. Assuming veigar was max level, and you and veigar each had 800 ap his would hit for about 1500 (on a target with no magic resist).

So more likely, he hit you with his entire combo during the stun and killed you with that (which that is believable).

The counterplay here is not get hit by his stun (ie: good positioning) or if there is a fed veigar you need to build mr.

As for what you should do if you're against a fed veigar, get some MR stat. I recommend spectre's cowl, it's only 1200g and while you'll still likely have to back if you get hit by his full combo - he at least won't be able to completely kill you with it in his stun.

Gladiore67Oct 1, 20152 votes

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You're over exaggerating a little on the number I think or Veigar was realllllly fed. Assuming veigar was max level, and you and veigar each had 800 ap his would hit for about 1500 (on a target with no magic resist).

So more likely, he hit you with his entire combo during the stun and killed you with that (which that is believable).

The counterplay here is not get hit by his stun (ie: good positioning) or if there is a fed veigar you need to build mr.

As for what you should do if you're against a fed veigar, get some MR stat. I recommend spectre's cowl, it's only 1200g and while you'll still likely have to back if you get hit by his full combo - he at least won't be able to completely kill you with it in his stun.

No...I'm not exagerating at all he was 8 7 before he killed me then 2 other people...And i MADE SURE that that was right in the moment...Nothing else NO other status effects NOTHING just primordial burst 1874 damage... with mr runes :\

Mayor StubbsOct 1, 20151 votes

Then perhaps the death recap was wrong (not uncommon) because to do 1900 damage with just r against a low mr target he would need roughly 1200 ap assuming you had ~800 ap as well. Which if this was the case then it's more than fair that he was able to kill you with just r (since you didn't buy any mr items against a 1200 ap Veigar) in fact. Most mages could kill you in less than a second with ~1000 ap

Shadow GilgameshOct 1, 20151 votes

Veigar was apparently NOT distracted if he was holding on to his ult to nuke you, the only AP threat on your team.

He is also immobile and his cage has a high cooldown because it's a good ass stun, so if you have anyone sticky who ISN'T a squishy assassin (Or even just an assassin who's not AP jumping on him), you can easily either force him out of the fight or make him use the ult on someone sub-optimal.

As for WHY it's allowed. Yes, his ult does a lot of damage, but that's it. It provides no utility, no stun, doesn't make him more mobile, and the only way you'll hurt more than one person with it is if it procs item 3285 . Yes, it probably doesn't feel good to get blasted by a veigar ult as an AP squishy champ. But guess what it also sucks to play against Rammus as an AD champ and get taunted for 2.25 seconds, or anyone building item 3153 as a full tank. Different champs are stronger or weaker against certain types of champs, that's how a game like this works.

HavenscytheOct 1, 20151 votes

Your ult can counter his ult...

LampsundaeOct 1, 20151 votes

Alright, listen. In my many moons and ass kicking as a veigar main, I shall bestow the secret of winning your lane against him 95% of the time! WITHOUT CHANGING YOUR CORE ITEMS! ARE YOU READY? item 3111 . Just buy these, and voila, veigar cannot land his w on you after his e, and you can murder his ass with 0 effort! Like magic!

SwollwonderOct 1, 20151 votes

If you arent beyond fed against a veigar as ekko, you played lane wrong

Kat HeadOct 1, 20151 votes

item 3001 item 3174 item 3111 item 3139 item 3157 item 3102 and you should be fine mate.

CaramélaOct 1, 20151 votes

i dotn understand the 11 downvotes. a locked skill with so much dmg is just unhealthy and wrong. what if he is spell reliant? so what? he just need to press r in a tf and one of enemy carries is vanished from the scene. this is just wrong imo

SirPacifistaOct 1, 20151 votes

Dude, if you die from Veigar as Ekko, then its clearly your fault for dying against him, not his. If he can kill oyu iwth a R only, what does it mean? yes, that you are playing at bronze elo, since you didnt bought any MR or health AND Veigar was fed or could q farm as much as he liked.